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Sir, there is a known rift between PAF and PA on a number of things. DG ISPR comes from the PA. Kaiser Tufail also regretted the dissemination of information by an official belonging to PA instead of PAF. At no ocassion, did PAF release any statement of that kind.

yeah...well no such rift between IA and IAF. They have always been credible and reliable. Even in these dire circustances they accepted that a helipcopter was downed due to our own mistakes and made it public.
 
Their mocking later changed to this - showing AMRAAM parts means that it hit a MKI, hence it could be found out so soon. But @Falcon has a counter-explanation.

I think showing 'F16B' again a blunder from their side. Caught red handed. Or may be it is the starting point of acceptance of F-16 loss as they somehow have to give some respect to Haidar Shabaz.
 
Sir, I hope you realize that your theory would make PAF the most quickly responding air force in world's history.
Because apparently, PAF had sent aircrafts armed with 2000lbs PGMs to INTERCEPT IAF aircrafts over LoC...
figured out where the tiny SOWs were headed...
followed them and arrived over Balakot...
carried out pronto Bomb Damage Assessment...
precisely bombed the adjacent area to fake the missed trajectory...
at EXACTLY the same time IAF's SOWs struck Balakot.

Won't that make PAF better than IAF?

Sir I took that in account and also the locals statment and that's why I concluded it could be Indian bombs only in last line, maybe you missed it.
I seem to have missed that image (of PAF's SOW damage on Indian soil), can you kindly refer me to it again
Took me advance search, thankfully I marked the tweet with special tags here it is-

 
Sir, as explained by Kaiser Tufail, PA mistakenly feared retribution from the US for usage of F-16s against India, while PAF was apparently quite clear on the terms and conditions. After all, the US gave the Block-52s as a deterrent against India. Therefore PA tried to cover up the use of F-16s and credited the kills to JF-17s. After PAF schooled PA regarding the said T&Cs, the statement was changed the next day to 'pick a jet of your choice'.
As if Americans wouldn't know your use of F16s?try better than PAF schooling PA on T/Cs as if PA doesn't know that , DGISPR had to change his statement when India showed AMRAAM debris and they knew that they have been caught lying.

=Or perhaps Pakistan lied about its F-16 inventory for FIVE years, about a B/D-model...because Pakistan had anticipated that PAF will lose PRECISELY a B/D-model in the future, over the EXACT area of Kashmir.
PAF actually received 9 F-16As and 4 F-16Bs from Jordan, you are welcome to check SIPRI/F-16.net records.

This is probably how Pakistan is explaining that its F-16 fighter jet inventory is intact
Read this article u will understand how
PAF inducts first batch of F-16 fighter jets from Jordan - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
PAF acquires F-16s from Jordan
Pakistani sources Dawn quoted from thenews and the news says manufacturing company "CONFIRMED" 9As and 1 Bs
US-Pakistan F-16 Deal Is Dead: Islamabad Mulling Jordan F-16 Fighter Jets Instead
The Diplomat talks about 14 F16s
Try better next time
While reason for lying 5 years ago might be different but PAF used it to hide current loss smartly[/QUOTE]
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Balakot air strikes planner is new R&AW chief, Kashmir expert appointed IB chief

Updated: Jun 26, 2019 13:19 IST

By Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times, New Delhi

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has appointed Samant Goel as the next chief of India’s external spy agency, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) and Arvinda Kumar as the Director, Intelligence Bureau. PM Modi, as chairman of the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet, also cleared the empanelment of 1986 batch IPS officer in the rank of Director General.
 
I'm not speaking about the intentions of PAF on 27th. DGISPR is not speaking with the American public, he needs to address the Pentagon.

Now that it is accepted that F-16s fired C5s even though unprovoked (beyond alleged lock-ons), why did DGISPR not have an adequate predetermined response regarding use of F-16s during the media briefing? Since F-16s were cleared to release BVRs then the same should have been stated without any ambiguity.

Maybe JF-17 did not even fire as told by @vstol Jockey.
This explains Ghafoor not getting promotion lol
 
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India said one F 16- specifically an F 16 B has been lost. You have finally accepted an F 16 B was there. You will also accept that the F 16 B was lost
F-16B had two pilots in it. Who was the second pilot and why has he not been given his due? In a twin seater, the honours are shared by both the pilots and not by just one. When I had posted the names, @Arsalan123 was lying thru his teeth that Hassan is alive. I once again firmly state that he died of his injuries after 4-5 days. PAF lost one F-16 and two pilots on 27th. We lost just one Mig-21Bison.
Why has Pak come out with half truth? It has to do with interservice rivalry which is common in all armed forces across the globe. PAF is the better service in Pakistan. They still value and respect valour. They forced the hands of ISPR to give credit to its fallen and Martyrs.
 
F-16B had two pilots in it. Who was the second pilot and why has he not been given his due? In a twin seater, the honours are shared by both the pilots and not by just one. When I had posted the names, @Arsalan123 was lying thru his teeth that Hassan is alive. I once again firmly state that he died of his injuries after 4-5 days. PAF lost one F-16 and two pilots on 27th. We lost just one Mig-21Bison.
Why has Pak come out with half truth? It has to do with interservice rivalry which is common in all armed forces across the globe. PAF is the better service in Pakistan. They still value and respect valour. They forced the hands of ISPR to give credit to its fallen and Martyrs.

Exactly. This was probably the poor dude who was beaten to death by the stupid villagers who thought he was a hindu because his parachute was saffron in color.
 
How many have been awarded because of Feb26/27

Mirage pilots
Abhinandhan
Lady - controller - Awac
Samanth Goel
Spice bomb

Russian Upgraded AAM s ( not sure either it was lacking R77 or due to performance of R73)
 
@The Deterrent this also has another implication. F 16 did all the fighting. JF 17 was a lemon (like we said it was).... what will happen to WINDY BHAI
It is not a lemon as such, it is a good replacement for fighters other than F-16 in Pak inventory. Additionally blk 3 will be the 'true' JF-17.

Imagine if IAF had used Tejas in the same role as PAF in this conflict - we would have said that it has proved its worth as an excellent support fighter. @vstol Jockey.
 
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F-16B had two pilots in it. Who was the second pilot and why has he not been given his due? In a twin seater, the honours are shared by both the pilots and not by just one. When I had posted the names, @Arsalan123 was lying thru his teeth that Hassan is alive. I once again firmly state that he died of his injuries after 4-5 days. PAF lost one F-16 and two pilots on 27th. We lost just one Mig-21Bison.
Why has Pak come out with half truth? It has to do with interservice rivalry which is common in all armed forces across the globe. PAF is the better service in Pakistan. They still value and respect valour. They forced the hands of ISPR to give credit to its fallen and Martyrs.


Still no news about the co pilot of Sidiqqi. I think this is the first step towards acknowledging the loss of F-16B and Haider Shabaz.

Also I checked in the net if there are any ceremony photos of awarding medals to Army/PAF but I found nothing(wanted to check when PA officially awarded/announced medals to their Kargil war heroes). They can't keep Siddiqi's death as secret forever as he is going to receive the medal.
 
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It is not a lemon as such, it is a good replacement for fighters other than F-16 in Pak inventory. Additionally blk 3 will be the 'true' JF-17.

Imagine if IAF had used Tejas in the same role as PAF in this conflict - we would have said that it has proved its worth as an excellent support fighter. @vstol Jockey.

Bigger achievement is that they were able to field it.

We are lot far away from doing it.
 
Still no news about the co pilot of Sidiqqi. I think this is the first step towards acknowledging the loss of F-16B and Haider Shabaz.

Also I checked in the net if there are any ceremony photos of awarding medals to Army/PAF but I found nothing(wanted to check when PA officially awarded/announced medals to their Kargil war heroes). They can't keep Siddiqi's death as secret forever as he is going to receive the medal.
wait for 14th August in Pakistan and 15th August in India.
 
F-16B had two pilots in it. Who was the second pilot and why has he not been given his due? In a twin seater, the honours are shared by both the pilots and not by just one. When I had posted the names, @Arsalan123 was lying thru his teeth that Hassan is alive. I once again firmly state that he died of his injuries after 4-5 days. PAF lost one F-16 and two pilots on 27th. We lost just one Mig-21Bison.
Why has Pak come out with half truth? It has to do with interservice rivalry which is common in all armed forces across the globe. PAF is the better service in Pakistan. They still value and respect valour. They forced the hands of ISPR to give credit to its fallen and Martyrs.
The bolded part - i didn't know that, though what you said is logical. Even @The Deterrent also said this:
Secondly, AFAIK, kills are usually attributed to the pilot who launches the missile, not the WSO/Navigator. Feel free to correct me.

If Hassan Siddiqui is indeed dead then bringing out his name will once again make Pak media to search for him. If he is alive then he has to be produced, else Pak version is problematic.

Actually in defence of Pakistan, they say that the MKI pilot who died in a car crash a few days after 27th is a pilot of the downed MKI.
 
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