India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Arsalan123]

Nothing wrong except that instead of two AMRAAM, you should be depicting only one AMRAAM. The joke is about second AMRAAM.

Sir PDF members are saying that two indian jets went down.they are saying they have evidence.some of them are very senior and in contact with paf.i am sick and tired of this second jet theory.i don't understand who lost plane on 27 Feb so I decided to follow our narrative blindly.both air forces are not providing any detail.it is very sad that people like us don't know actual events.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Economy perhaps. If an F-16 indeed went down then any supposed action after 27th is immaterial for any change in attitude of Pakistan.

For Pakistan , economy is Irrelevant
They always beg before Saudi and China

They only respond to overwhelming Force

After 2016 there were low level skirmishes
Till Pulwama

When Indian Army opened up its 155 mm guns they ran away from their posts

Why is LOC so quiet these days

 

[thinkingcap81]

What is chandrayan? It's very sad that India not allowing us to open airspace.i think air battle is over but for India,revenge remains priority.this type of mentality forcing me to accept pakistani version.i think you want to kill at least one of our jet.

We have nothing to do with Pak decision to continue to close its airspace to us.

 

[screambowl]

Now they are building a new rhetoric that F16 was not a part of strike package. This means what ever I said in previous post is correct. They gradually sent up their planes like in big time intervals and not all at once.

1) They did not launch all of their aircrafts at the same time. If they had launched it at the same time, Indian radars would have caught them and analysed it as a strike package.

2) What they most probably did is, they sent up their aircrafts one by one very gradually and made it look like a red alert or a normal sortie and waited for the orders.

 

[Arsalan123]

We have nothing to do with Pak decision to continue to close its airspace to us.

Sir we have detected several waves of air fighters.we closed airspace to monitor iaf activities.i don't understand the concept of more air battle.why iaf wants another air battle shows upper hand to paf on feb27.it is just common sense but again,nobody knows actual events.i wonder what is iaf Target this time.may be air bases!

 

[Sulla84]

Sir PDF members are saying that two indian jets went down.they are saying they have evidence.some of them are very senior and in contact with paf.i am sick and tired of this second jet theory.i don't understand who lost plane on 27 Feb so I decided to follow our narrative blindly.both air forces are not providing any detail.it is very sad that people like us don't know actual events.

When DG ISPR can lie about JF-17 kills... what credibility remains as regards to these very senior jokers... Let me be clear about one thing... A statement by Indian military has inherently more credibility than a statement from Pak military..

 

[vstol Jockey]

Sir PDF members are saying that two indian jets went down.they are saying they have evidence.some of them are very senior and in contact with paf.i am sick and tired of this second jet theory.i don't understand who lost plane on 27 Feb so I decided to follow our narrative blindly.both air forces are not providing any detail.it is very sad that people like us don't know actual events.

Dont believe anyone. Atleast trust Air Cmde Tufail. He said that Hassan had told him that he fired an AMRAAM on a radar blip which he thought was SU-30MKI and the blip disappeared after that. This means even he is not sure about what was his target and whether he hit it or not. WC Nauman Ali Khan very specific that he shot down WC ABHI using AMRAAM. After this if anyone wants to believe Hassan, he is nothing but stupid.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Sir we have detected several waves of air fighters.we closed airspace to monitor iaf activities.i don't understand the concept of more air battle.why iaf wants another air battle shows upper hand to paf on feb27.it is just common sense but again,nobody knows actual events.i wonder what is iaf Target this time.may be air bases!

If PAF had the absolute upper hand on the 27th then we would have kept quiet, but we are not quiet as reported in your forum. Lets assume that PAF had the upper hand:

1. If we wanted to take revenge then PAF can retaliate likewise, yet you keep your airspace off-limits while we keep ours open.
2. Even after winning on 27th you are not confident of your prowess hence you keep your airspace closed.
3. Why is our airspace open and PAF is not trying anything despite our supposed repeated provocations?

So what conclusions do we draw from all this?

 

[vstol Jockey]

Sir we have detected several waves of air fighters.we closed airspace to monitor iaf activities.i don't understand the concept of more air battle.why iaf wants another air battle shows upper hand to paf on feb27.it is just common sense but again,nobody knows actual events.i wonder what is iaf Target this time.may be air bases!

We have yet to avenge the Mig-21Bison loss. We have avenged the failed strike on our Army formations. Once we avenge it, we will stop it all. Till then you will have to keep your airspace closed. And we will avaenge it with ek kay badlay do.

 

[thinkingcap81]

We have yet to avenge the Mig-21Bison loss. We have avenged the failed strike on our Army formations. Once we avenge it, we will stop it all. Till then you will have to keep your airspace closed. And we will avaenge it with ek kay badlay do.

Is it feasible that we can provoke them into responding? Can we provoke them without our aircraft breaching the no-fly zone along the LOC?

 

[_Anonymous_]

We have yet to avenge the Mig-21Bison loss. We have avenged the failed strike on our Army formations. Once we avenge it, we will stop it all. Till then you will have to keep your airspace closed. And we will avaenge it with ek kay badlay do.

We shot down one of their F-16 didn't we? Besides how did we avenge their failed attack on our army formations?

 

[vstol Jockey]

We shot down one of their F-16 didn't we? Besides how did we avenge their failed attack on our army formations?

They tried to bring down a SU-30MKI with multiple AMRAAM shots and that needs to be avenged.

Is it feasible that we can provoke them into responding? Can we provoke them without our aircraft breaching the no-fly zone along the LOC?

If you maintain pressure, some trigger happy guy will fail the pressure and do something which will help us achieve our aim.

 

[screambowl]

Actually nobody knows actual events.we are forced to follow our narratives.actual events are not public and it's long time now.both air forces should reveal the truth.i decided to make this batch my dp because it's pakistani narrative but I am sure there are mysteries.

Indian version is at it is from the day 1:

You came in with mirage 5, jf17 f16s and we shot your aircraft down and in this engagement we lost one mig21.
GoI never said unless until confirmed by radar signature that f16 was shot by us.

You denied using f16 but now you agree. Your government's statement can now longer be considered as authentic because they have habit of changing it every time.

 

[Sulla84]

We have yet to avenge the Mig-21Bison loss

Why... As per IAF F-16 was shot down.. so that should more than equalize things

 

[vstol Jockey]

Indian version is at it is from the day 1:

You came in with mirage 5, jf17 f16s and we shot your aircraft down and in this engagement we lost one mig21.
GoI never said unless until confirmed by radar signature that f16 was shot by us.

You denied using f16 but now you agree. Your government's statement can now longer be considered as authentic because they have habit of changing it every time.

Yes, our narrative has not changed at all from the very first day and Pak narrative has not remained same even for a week.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

We have yet to avenge the Mig-21Bison loss. We have avenged the failed strike on our Army formations. Once we avenge it, we will stop it all. Till then you will have to keep your airspace closed. And we will avaenge it with ek kay badlay do.

Let the New AAMs come

Then it is time for Turkey shoot

By the way How FAR away from LOC do the PAF planes fly , given that they Expect an Ambush

 

[vstol Jockey]

Let the New AAMs come

Then it is time for Turkey shoot

By the way How FAR away from LOC do the PAF planes fly , given that they Expect an Ambush

Now they are keeping well off from any area where our guys are flying.

 

[HariPrasad]

The current policy what India adopted is a well-crafted policy against Pakistan. Do not let them sleep, do not let them relax. Keep them on their toes and make it unaffordable for them. Keep humiliating Pakistan army, keep them fearful. It is becoming very difficult for Pakistani public to live their day to day life. Depreciation on Pakistan currency has significantly reduce the purchasing power of Pakistani army. It seems that a well crafted plan to regress Pakistan has started showing its effect. Pakistan seems to be condition of no return. It is very that necessary that our stupid politicians do not take a U turn and adopt this softline. I hope that Modi will stick to his policy. I foresee Pakistan a new Syria or Iraq.

 

[Sulla84]

Dont believe anyone. Atleast trust Air Cmde Tufail. He said that Hassan had told him that he fired an AMRAAM on a radar blip which he thought was SU-30MKI and the blip disappeared after that

So.. do you think Hassan Siddiqui will now surface...and is not dead ?

 

[vstol Jockey]

So.. do you think Hassan Siddiqui will now surface...and is not dead ?

He is dead. He must have been debriefed while he was on his death bed. It is a procedure that we do debrief asap. After both my ejections, I was being asked details of the crash even while being taken to the hospital and bleeding badly from injuries.