India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Given the plethora of circumstantial evidences, I am pretty sure more than one plane went down in PoK and that it was an F16( can be confirmed from the video where a local says Parachute had the colours of Indian flag). But we should refrain from taking a shot at the names of the downed pilot until and unless we are totally and completely sure from sources within the IAF! Will erode credibility!
Also, @The Deterrent Not negating or saying these pics are from before 27th Feb(2 of these pics were actually there on 27th Feb morning in itself)! But do you have videos from where it can be confirmed those are from post 27th Feb! Like people congratulating him or something like that? Pakistan has almost always released videos of their living War heroes given the narrative they try to build. Also, we have videos of Nouman post 27th Feb but not of Hassan/Shahbaz. Things quite don't add up
Have u seen the video where Hassan supposedly gets off an aircraft and a guy is filming the video with front facing camera and they are chanting Pak Zindabad, look at that video looks like the guy separately filmed that video while original video rat in the background and atleast also one of the photo he posted is pre skirmish cz that photo is a still from one promotional video of PAF demonstrating F16 scrambling
Good find, all those pictures were released by Pakistan glorifying their Heros immediately after dogfight from wherever they can find old photos.
Its useless to get into debate of pilots identity, old photos don't claim anyone is alive or dead. He may be keeping low profile because of security issues or he may well be dead, doesn't matter much. That PAF F16 that went down is the only thing that matter.
Something cannot be stoped. For example Pakistan cannot stop sponsoring terrorism. It has gone too far in thousand cuts policy.
Modi might have kept this plant ready but Pulwama prompted him to put it in action Sooner. Your country is run by your military mafias beyond repair. It will continue till some result is achieved. Modi doval has put in place counter strategy to make your thousand cuts policy too costly for Pakistan. If you can afford, you can continue but we will not stop still we achieve the solution.
True i wish IAF releases those names and if PAF really had 2 more Indian pilot or one indian and other Israeli , they would have paraded them like Abhi
I have mentioned that video in my first post. Notice the resolution difference between person holding the camera and video running in background.
P.S: What a luck that guy shooting the video had brown eyes, no? Could have got some sort of clue right there.
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Indians don't mind having a Joint Venture with you guys to work on a technology to resurrect that pilot who was admitted in CMH
Enough fun buddy, keep sanity in comments otherwise it will be moved to funny or off topic section.
Your threats make people laugh not fear, you should try threatening western powers they may throw you a dime or two. We know how to keep Pakistan in its place, been doing it from 47, will be just another day for us.
And Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of the Republic of India. We funded the banner or not, it's good to know that you are feeling the heat.
These things are reciprocal, as long as ISI fund insurgencies in Inda we don't have to respect your territorial integrity. Which we showed during Balakot. That was going 'too far'. So, having an outburst for a banner is childish.
Use Baloch thread to discuss the issue. Balochistan : News, Discussions & Updates
Also, This is an Indian forum, Any post attacking or threatening the sovereignty and integrity of India will get you banned without notice.
@Arsalan123 keep dreaming about J&K, about Punjab and Sikhs, we will screw Pakistan in all its orifices. Just see below brave Sikhs soldiers from Indian army blowing up Pakistani posts...
@Arsalan123 Sikh empire extended from Afghanistan to Indian Punjab with Lahore as capital. So if someone has to vacate it's Pakistan and one day we will....
Are you trying to scare him or turn him on? Its Arsalan we are talking about.
Anyways - Sikhs in Punjab have really vivid memories of how Pakistanis treated them during the Partition. If you think they will ally with Pakistan, you are living in a fool's paradise. Look up what happened to the poor troops you air dropped near airbases in Punjab in 65.
As I said few months back priority should be China and aim Pakistan thinking China in Mind. Athough it is not very much related to the topic but yes it is part of the proxy and non convention way in which Indo Pak 2019 conflict can go.
I always say, Pulwama was MSS plan executed by Pakistan.
RAW Stuns ISI and MSS; Foils China-Pakistan Nexus in Maldives | EurAsian Times: Latest Asian, Middle-East, EurAsian, Indian News
A report by RAW reveals that the Indian agency has successfully foiled ulterior designs of the ISI in the island of Maldives. The ISI (backed by Ministry of State Security) along with the MSS (Chinese spy agency) and allies of the Maldives President were encouraging the foundation of anti-Indian sentiments/activities from within the Pakistan embassy in Male.
The reign of Abdullah Yemeen (2013-2018) saw the Chinese gaining military, economic and political power within the island. This trend did not sit well with India. The Chinese had invested large amounts of money close to 2 billion dollars in massive infrastructure projects. The President is said to have even leased out large portions of land to Chinese businesses. There is conclusive evidence from RAW that the former President was allegedly close to Pakistan and had facilitated the increased presence of the ISI within the Maldives, it was Pakistan’s ambassador to the Maldives that was key in bringing Beijing closer to the Maldives.
@screambowl. I wrote Chinese sponsorship of Pulwama on other forum couple of months back but didn't find many takers. Glad someone else is of same view and I am not passed off as tin foil hat.
Pulwama was Chinese revenge for dokhlam.
Pulwama was Chinese revenge for dokhlam.
Interesting theory. But it seems outlandish. China, if it seeks revenge for Doklam would want India to know it's they who're behind it, thus deterring us in case of any future stand off . In this case, there's absolutely no way, the needle of suspicion would point at them. In any case they've gone the whole hog in the Doklam plateau, which incidentally, is a disputed territory and which now has seen a massive infrastructure and military upgrade plus deployment. The only area which they haven't managed to upgrade is the same part where the IA challenged them. That still remains under the RBA & IA's control.
Chinese will always be subtle in approach. India's new found confidence and assertive nature is what pricked them the most. Killing this self-confidence will only pave way for Chinese salami slicing tactics. I don't think Chinese or Pakistanis dreamed of six spice 2000 inreturn to Balakot.
I am from the day one very much clear about the MSS using CPEC as a cover in Mansehra to fund anti India activities in Kashmir with the help of ISI. It could be Doklam revenge or frustration which they got in Maldives or a planned strategic maneuver to destabilize Kashmir so that India is not able to generate revenues from there. And more importantly, Chinese along with Pakistanis want to create extremism in Kashmir so that they get recruits from India to strike India and south Asia and blame India for terror in the region. Themselves playing clean.
My belief got much stronger when terror struck Sri Lanka and some started connecting them to India and situation in Kashmir., why Sri Lanka because there as well The Chinese got bloody nose when they got exposed implimenting china's debt trap diplomacy.
That's a part of an escalator ladder,
after Nargota India struck them locally in Pak Occupied Kashmir
Then after Pulwama India struck them on their land near CPEC corridor
Now if something happens again, India will strike somewhere else and it will be deadly.
Chinese got exposed for not banning Masood int the first round, what else can be a bigger evidence. They told openly!
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