India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Arsalan123 said:
He is a very senior member on PDF.i think India should provide credible evidence because radar data have many things like handwritten things,drawings,I mean people are making fun of it but I believe the data is right but I can't convince others.
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Same radars vectored two Mig 21 towards F16s. If radars were at fault, none of the Migs including Abhinandan would be in that area. By the way, two separate Radar confirmed F16 kill. One was AWACS which our IAF showed, other one is Thales GS 100 Groundmaster LTTR.
 
nair said:
July.... Snow is melting.....
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And Amarnath Yatra is ON. Even in Islam they say that do not disturb Zayareen. Let them go and worship their gods. But Pak ISI has different plans.
The result of such an attack on Amarnath Yatris this time will be disastrous for Pakistan.
They have started a new chapter by claiming that ISIS is now active in J&K but they are all ISI operatives. Pak can't fool us anymore.
 
thinkingcap81 said:
Sir, everyone knows that Pak economy is and will be in pretty bad shape for the foreseeable future. But our economic growth needs to be higher for the ambitions we have - this will happen in a couple of years. [B]@Falcon had said somewhere that we will have our defense capacity surge around 2021-2022, not before that. So i thought that it makes sense to play a waiting and relatively quiet game unless provoked reasonable highly.[/B] Meanwhile our diplomatic efforts should increase.

Do armed forces like to be always in 'trigger-alert mode' - i thought that armies like to go for rapid action and low intensity conflicts are usually abhorred.
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That was a conversation with me. Our assessment was based on BJP not winning a majority by itself and forming a coalition gov. A lot of funds would have been diverted to public incentives rather than actual development in that case. But things have gone the opposite way. and Feb 26th proved elections can also be won by taking an unorthodox hard stand. This changed the whole scenario we discussed then.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
And Amarnath Yatra is ON. Even in Islam they say that do not disturb Zayareen. Let them go and worship their gods. But Pak ISI has different plans.
The result of such an attack on Amarnath Yatris this time will be disastrous for Pakistan.
They have started a new chapter by claiming that ISIS is now active in J&K but they are all ISI operatives. Pak can't fool us anymore.
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Pakistan won't do anything during Amarnath Yatra. They are not so naive to fall for that. they are well aware India is trying to provoke them.
 
nair said:
July.... Snow is melting.....
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You are giving hope sir :) I thought it was all over.

thinkingcap81 said:
Elsewhere, a US defence professional member going by the name of gambit has said that US voluntarily did a count of Pak F-16 and found no loss, and that US is under no obligation to release such audit information.
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When such audit information is not released how does a forum member know? Such things are confidential and US have very strong laws regarding these things. He is indulging in hearsay.

There are two videos of two different jets falling from sky in Pakistan, last I read empty sky don't shoot pilots and burning planes and neither can one Mig21 after getting shot down, resurrect, fly again and get shot again. It is not that complex.
 
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Paro said:
Pakistan won't do anything during Amarnath Yatra. They are not so naive to fall for that. they are well aware India is trying to provoke them.
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But we are doing it. And this so called ISIS game in J&K is prelude to a strike on Amarnath Yatris. Mark my words. HM has never attacked them till date as it brings tons of money to locals. Last year a bus carrying people from Gujrat was targeted. It will happen again. Pak thinks that it can get away by blaming ISIS over which it has no control and the group they themselves are fighting. It won't work.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
But we are doing it. And this so called ISIS game in J&K is prelude to a strike on Amarnath Yatris. Mark my words. HM has never attacked them till date as it brings tons of money to locals. Last year a bus carrying people from Gujrat was targeted. It will happen again. Pak thinks that it can get away by blaming ISIS over which it has no control and the group they themselves are fighting. It won't work.
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Sir i have a different perspective
ISIS game i think helps us more. Terrorist may be of ISIS or LeT , JeM or HM ,he will be killed nevertheless. But if ISIS starts claiming attacks , it dents so called legitimate "Kashmiri struggle"world wide as you cant defend ISIS violence at any cost. We can cleverly use ISIS garb to deal with these rats as no one will question us. If a terrorist of LeT or JeM or HM is killed he gets sympathy but if ISIS gets involved i doubt it will get sympathy as ISIS isnt a localised phenomenon
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Hahahaha.sir your stuff is very funny.when we talked about your s-400,some indian members suggested that f-16 will cease to fly because of s-400 range lol.sir kindly notice that Pakistan already possesses babur cruise missile and raad alcm.they can also do what your brahmos can do.as far as long range missiles are concerned, pakistan can fire pl-15 too.
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Effect of Ghoofra DGISPR. Your cuntry is good at begging. 21 times bailout by IMF since 1958.Work hard save dollar.This things are beyond you.
 
Paro said:
Pakistan won't do anything during Amarnath Yatra. They are not so naive to fall for that. they are well aware India is trying to provoke them.
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We are talking about the same country that did Pulwama 2 months before National Elections when the ruling party was advocating a hard line on national security. Pakistan seems to have taken the words - Go Big to heart.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Hahahaha.sir your stuff is very funny.when we talked about your s-400,some indian members suggested that f-16 will cease to fly because of s-400 range lol.sir kindly notice that Pakistan already possesses babur cruise missile and raad alcm.they can also do what your brahmos can do.as far as long range missiles are concerned, pakistan can fire pl-15 too.
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Remember your post I had replied to a few days back about setting a precedent and the post I had asked you to keep a screenshot of. Start connecting the dots Arsalan. Lashing out without thinking first is never a good option in statecraft.
 
vstol Jockey said:
PAF will not be able to fight north of Lahore Latitude as your AWACs will be shot down and your airports taken out by Brahmos strike from deep within India above that latitude.
To provide cover to your strike force, you will be required to fly in Afghan air space and IAF will take you down from Farkhor AB using Mig-29s.
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vstol Jockey said:
PAF will not be able to fight north of Lahore Latitude as your AWACs will be shot down and your airports taken out by Brahmos strike from deep within India above that latitude.
To provide cover to your strike force, you will be required to fly in Afghan air space and IAF will take you down from Farkhor AB using Mig-29s.
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Migs at farkhor..! that is a news to me..always thought that base was empty
 
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