India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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vstol Jockey said:
Let us see it. You had Nukes and stated after our Myanmaar surgical strikes that India will never consider surgical strikes on Pakistan. We did it in 2016 and repeated it this year. Are you such a fool that that you dont see the writing on the wall? I request you to fire atleast one baber or RAAD towards India. You will see what happens to Pakistan after that? Our forces are still deployed along LOC and IB. Sindh and Multan are easy meat while Balochistan is already in our lap.
Whole of J&K including GB are Indian territory and you can't stop IAF flying in that airspace. We will now enforce our territorial rights over the air space of these areas. Karlo jo karna ho.
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Sir I respect your emotions but we are a country.we are not a play ground.we accepted our mistake during balakot and we responded immediately.we entered in your Kashmir without any problem.both air forces knows each other weakness.if you don't want to talk about babur,why you keep repeating brahmos strikes dream? What will India do if Pakistan fires cruise missiles? May be you can attack our every province but we also have the capability to attack india.your comment is emotional.sir during 65 and 71, both forces had no modern weapons.sir this is modern time with artillery,rockets,missiles and even chemical weapons so any attack on pakistan is not easy.
 
vstol Jockey said:
We have that base to fly baloons. Why do you think we are paying them all the money? Gubbaray udaanay kay liyeh na.
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I think we have Fighter jets (I doubt it) and transport helicopters stationed in ayni airbase we have repair center there for sure. Goods are flown to farkhor and then transported to Afg by truck.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Sir I respect your emotions but we are a country.we are not a play ground.we accepted our mistake during balakot and we responded immediately.we entered in your Kashmir without any problem.both air forces knows each other weakness.if you don't want to talk about babur,why you keep repeating brahmos strikes dream? What will India do if Pakistan fires cruise missiles? May be you can attack our every province but we also have the capability to attack india.your comment is emotional.sir during 65 and 71, both forces had no modern weapons.sir this is modern time with artillery,rockets,missiles and even chemical weapons so any attack on pakistan is not easy.
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That is not true. If PAF would have entered without problem there wouldn't have been a dog fight that too over Pak airspace. PAF dint cross the LOC as said by ISPR and our IAF Chief. PAF released package from Pak airspace unlike IAF op. PAF what they did is a mere LOC skirmish. What IAF did was long range deep strike. PAF can definitely retaliate, but will result in less or no strategic or military value at all. The retaliation will be a face saver like the 27th where they wanted to hit the target but dint want to risk it too much but still ended up loosing a fighter for shooting down an old IAF fighter over Pak airspace when it was the PAF doing the attack. Op was just to show its people it can retaliate. PAF wont risk a actual military retaliation unless there is a full blown war.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Sir I respect your emotions but we are a country.we are not a play ground.we accepted our mistake during balakot and we responded immediately.we entered in your Kashmir without any problem.both air forces knows each other weakness.if you don't want to talk about babur,why you keep repeating brahmos strikes dream? What will India do if Pakistan fires cruise missiles? May be you can attack our every province but we also have the capability to attack india.your comment is emotional.sir during 65 and 71, both forces had no modern weapons.sir this is modern time with artillery,rockets,missiles and even chemical weapons so any attack on pakistan is not easy.
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27 Feb se Pakistan ka air space band kar diya hai. Yeh koi attack se kam hai?
 
m_itsme said:
That is not true. If PAF would have entered without problem there wouldn't have been a dog fight that too over Pak airspace. PAF dint cross the LOC as said by ISPR and our IAF Chief. PAF released package from Pak airspace unlike IAF op. PAF what they did is a mere LOC skirmish. What IAF did was long range deep strike. PAF can definitely retaliate, but will result in less or no strategic or military value at all. The retaliation will be a face saver like the 27th where they wanted to hit the target but dint want to risk it too much but still ended up loosing a fighter for shooting down an old IAF fighter over Pak airspace when it was the PAF doing the attack. Op was just to show its people it can retaliate. PAF wont risk a actual military retaliation unless there is a full blown war.
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Are you kidding me? There is a written statement shared by many users which clearly stated that we violated your airspace.there were news that India shot down f-16 over raisi.they changed stories later.we violated easily just like you.why are you not accepting the truth? I mean come on,you should give us importance.we are not a bad air Force.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Are you kidding me? There is a written statement shared by many users which clearly stated that we violated your airspace.there were news that India shot down f-16 over raisi.they changed stories later.we violated easily just like you.why are you not accepting the truth? I mean come on,you should give us importance.we are not a bad air Force.
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Written by many users? Come on man. ISPR itself on camera told the entire world they dint cross LOC. Even our Air chief some days back told PAF never crossed LOC. IAF had always maintained where they shot down F16 if media spread BS it aint IAF fault. Even if PAF violated it was a shallow incursion as brigade HQs are usually not very deep. PAF can release package from LOC itself. IAF target was deep inside Pak, PAF target was not. FYI You need to ask your ISPR why they said they dint cross LOC. You think without any proper planning PAF would risk crossing LOC? This stunt had to be done to pacify Pakistanis and it had to be done immediately, the best way is to lob bombs safely within PAk airspace, its okay even if it misses. Mig 21 crossing LOC was unexpected. Just cause PAF fanboys says they crossed doesnt make it true. ISPR itself told they dint.

You are over estimating PAF and under estimating IAF. Many Pakistanis dint even think India would dare to cross LOC to bomb that too Pak proper and that too return back with 0 casualties. But what happened?
 
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Arsalan123 said:
North of Lahore? I think here you are talking about your new long range missiles.
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What long range missiles ? We can use sling shots and grenades to carpet bomb Pakistan not missiles. Those are expensive and cost money. It is like setting the house on fire for getting rid of some wall dampness.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Sir I respect your emotions but we are a country.we are not a play ground.we accepted our mistake during balakot and we responded immediately.we entered in your Kashmir without any problem.both air forces knows each other weakness.if you don't want to talk about babur,why you keep repeating brahmos strikes dream? What will India do if Pakistan fires cruise missiles? May be you can attack our every province but we also have the capability to attack india.your comment is emotional.sir during 65 and 71, both forces had no modern weapons.sir this is modern time with artillery,rockets,missiles and even chemical weapons so any attack on pakistan is not easy.
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Dear Fanboy, threatening with CBRN are you? for the bold part we have prepared for those. You have weapons and what makes you think we don't have them? We have such and industrial capcaity that we can casue acid rain in Pakistan for a year with just a week worth of our Chemical manufacturing capacity. CBRN is a threshold, its use would signal a culling of the Pakistani populace.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
When such audit information is not released how does a forum member know? Such things are confidential and US have very strong laws regarding these things. He is indulging in hearsay.

There are two videos of two different jets falling from sky in Pakistan, last I read empty sky don't shoot pilots and burning planes and neither can one Mig21 after getting shot down, resurrect, fly again and get shot again. It is not that complex.
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Possible that he has very little actual information. He is also extremely biased against Soviet and Russian military hardware which he refers to as junk. So this bias will affect his judgment. However, the bottom line is that as far as the 2nd aircraft is concerned, we do not have concrete info about the aircraft type. For the time being, the best proof we can have is when Pak officially awards its pilots for kills, and the pilots must be physically present to accept the awards. Are Pak armed forces personnel awarded on 14th Aug?
 
Paro said:
That was a conversation with me. Our assessment was based on BJP not winning a majority by itself and forming a coalition gov. A lot of funds would have been diverted to public incentives rather than actual development in that case. But things have gone the opposite way. and Feb 26th proved elections can also be won by taking an unorthodox hard stand. This changed the whole scenario we discussed then.
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A lot of funds will go even now to boost the sagging economy, plus Modi will also need to partly traverse the socialist path. What we can confidently expect is reduced siphoning of funds and better targeting. The armed forces will also get a higher push towards restructuring which will eventually pay rich dividends.

For our armed forces, now that NDA is in power, can you tell what kinds of supporting infra you expect before 2021?
 
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No mention of defence budget... in the speech. This from a government which had the mandate for it, since it won by canvassing for votes on national security
 
m_itsme said:
Written by many users? Come on man. ISPR itself on camera told the entire world they dint cross LOC. Even our Air chief some days back told PAF never crossed LOC. IAF had always maintained where they shot down F16 if media spread BS it aint IAF fault. Even if PAF violated it was a shallow incursion as brigade HQs are usually not very deep. PAF can release package from LOC itself. IAF target was deep inside Pak, PAF target was not. FYI You need to ask your ISPR why they said they dint cross LOC. You think without any proper planning PAF would risk crossing LOC? This stunt had to be done to pacify Pakistanis and it had to be done immediately, the best way is to lob bombs safely within PAk airspace, its okay even if it misses. Mig 21 crossing LOC was unexpected. Just cause PAF fanboys says they crossed doesnt make it true. ISPR itself told they dint.

You are over estimating PAF and under estimating IAF. Many Pakistanis dint even think India would dare to cross LOC to bomb that too Pak proper and that too return back with 0 casualties. But what happened?
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There is a written statement but I can't find it right now but read this below.even iaf accepted violation of airspace.

India won't buckle under pressure, forces given free hand to take future course of action
 
Arsalan123 said:
You will realize it after you start a war otherwise same chest thumping.you are the only people who called your pilot a hero despite so much humiliation.
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False analogy. Wing Co Abhinandan shot down a F-16 with a 3rd generation MiG-21 bis before he got shot down. He's a war hero. The best part is the false equivalence drawn by your guys calling the taking of Wing Co Abhinandan as revenge for your surrender at Dhaka.
Besides, you guys can still call Lt Gen A.A.K.Niazi as "Tiger" Niazi after he surrendered with 93000 soldiers and wage & arm an insurgency apart from sponsoring and abetting acts of terrorism all over India after losing 4 wars and half your nation. What can be a bigger humilation than that?

Such brain fades from you, call for cheap thrills. Enjoy


 
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Sathya said:
Going against 3 F16 with a mig 21 despite asked to cool down..

Getting the backing of government, released from enemy prison to tell the story,..

I don't know who is humiliated..
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Why your su-30 turned cold? There was so much chest thumping about su-30 but we managed to handle them.fratricide on your side,and what happened to the wingman of mig-21? Where is the mig that was flying with abhinandan? There are so much positive things for pakistan.
 
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False analogy. Wing Co Abhinandan shot down a F-16 with a 3rd generation MiG-21 bis before he got shot down. He's a war hero. The best part is the false equivalence drawn by your guys calling the taking of Wing Co Abhinandan as revenge for your surrender at Dhaka.
Besides, you guys can still call Lt Gen A.A.K.Niazi as "Tiger" Niazi after he surrendered with 93000 soldiers and wage & arm an insurgency apart from sponsoring and abetting acts of terrorism all over India after losing 4 wars and half your nation. What can be a bigger humilation than that?

Such brain fades from you, call for cheap thrills. Enjoy


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A war hero only for india.others called it humiliation.we have won Feb 27 decisively despite so much chest thumping from your side.bigger will not always win.why you always bring Bangladesh to remind me about your victory? Are you weak?this is sign of weakness general.
 
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