India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
1. Fragmentation will leave weakened states on periphery.
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Yes and we can eat them up one by one. Sindh is a low hanging fruit while Balochistan will come under us just like Bhutan due to Punjab and Iran. Dissolve the durandline and you have a land locked Pak Punjab as an independent state which will be forced to have open borders with India for survival.
Falcon said:
2. India does not have the financial muscle to stabilize these new fragments.
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Balochistan has reserve of minerals and oil which will add to our strength. Sindh has oil and coal. So this is not an issue.

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3. Leaving aside Chinese interests in 'new fragments', let us not be under any illusion that Iranians, Russians don't have their own interests. While they do not have the economic clout, we will be foolish to ignore their interests and forget that after China, India will be the next target of US. Anyone who assumes that India will not be taken as a threat to US, is foolish to say the very least.
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I agree. I have myself been against this sudden bonhomie with USA. I have been the most vocal supporter of solving border issue with China as that will help us come out of the clutches of USA. I will never trust USA ever.
 
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Falcon said:
Because you are looking at things as a vertical independent of the geo-strategic considerations involved. I look at military, politics and diplomatic imperatives as a horizontal set of simultaneous events that are not mutually exclusive. Most of the military leadership does that. Today, I can literally count on fingers the people who have read war as it needs to be read. Heck, rare to find people who have read Clausewitz or Jomini (as an example).

Without going in to too much details:

1. Fragmentation will leave weakened states on periphery.
2. India does not have the financial muscle to stabilize these new fragments.
3. Leaving aside Chinese interests in 'new fragments', let us not be under any illusion that Iranians, Russians don't have their own interests. While they do not have the economic clout, we will be foolish to ignore their interests and forget that after China, India will be the next target of US. Anyone who assumes that India will not be taken as a threat to US, is foolish to say the very least.
4. Look at Turkey, understand the game that is being played out with it over Syria. Analyze it. It is fun to read the game plan. And middle east is already bogged down - US encouraged Saudis and UAE to move into Yemen and into a war that Sauds will not be able to extricate themselves from, while ramping up shale oil.

I can go on. Will ... when have time to put it out.
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In my view; India should work with Iran and Russia - both to set up a serious counterweight to Pak + Taliban in Afghanistan post-US drawdown. And also, to stabilize future nations (Balochistan, Sindh) and to ensure that they 1) Don't fall to radical Islamic forces 2) Are ready to play ball on issues of concern to Iran, Russia etc

There's scope for cooperation and shared benefits.

But India seems scared to step up to the plate, Russia is China's b*tch, and Iran is too busy idiotically attacking/threatening America and Israel.
 
Falcon said:
Because we will hit their bases again. They know it. Anytime.
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Kind of off topic

Sometime ago i came across this little piece of info ie man portable precision radiation detectors being supplied by a local company to ' ministry of defence ' . Not to be confused with the good old Geiger counters and its various NBC analogues.

I am not much into conspiracy theories and such

But say hypothetically if some body were to make a grab for the unmentionables would it not require highly sensitive locators which can detect even very residual amounts of the unmentionables hidden and stacked in sealed radiation proof containers ?
 
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If Balakot exposed Pakistani nuclear bluff 370 has exposed helplessness of PA even when they are pushed to corner.

After next terriost attack (which wont be long) we should scrap Indus Water Treaty too along with military cost. Correct the historical wrongs and push them further for a direct conflict for which we have seen now on three different occasions that they are not capable of.

If they come swinging(which they wont) well and good, POK in play, if they don't, find another historical wrong to be corrected. Make Bajwa the real star studded General.

1st Star - Balakot
2nd Star - 370
3rd Star - IWT/POK
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
If Balakot exposed Pakistani nuclear bluff 370 has exposed helplessness of PA even when they are pushed to corner.

After next terriost attack (which wont be long) we should scrap Indus Water Treaty too along with military cost. Correct the historical wrongs and push them further for a direct conflict for which we have seen now on three different occasions that they are not capable of.

If they come swinging(which they wont) well and good, POK in play, if they don't, find another historical wrong to be corrected. Make Bajwa the real star studded General.

1st Star - Balakot
2nd Star - 370
3rd Star - IWT/POK
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IWT shouldn't be scrapped. Just violate it when we exceed the capacity.

For now the focus should be on fully integrating Indian Kashmir into India. POK we'll get eventually down the line anyway.
 
Paro said:
IWT shouldn't be scrapped. Just violate it when we exceed the capacity.

For now the focus should be on fully integrating Indian Kashmir into India. POK we'll get eventually down the line anyway.
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It's not about treaty much but their blabbering about it, they always warn war if it is scrapped, let's put them on spot, humiliate the fauz that strip their citizens of everything to defend these myths. Once Pakistanis realize their army can't do anything except blabbering a lot of problems of this subcontinent will be solved.

Hit at the existence of PA, expose them, rest will be done by their public.
 
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That again, is their problem. We need not stop it, if that be the case. If our security interests at that point of time require us to enable the process, so be it. At present, I don't see any gain. Except POJ&K which I anyways take to be core interest of ours.
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Golden_Rule said:
BTW, did you get part of your home "land" securing training in China? ;)
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Falcon said:
Er??? Didn't get this. Can you clarify?
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that was a satire on China - land grab is their "core interest" - from Aksai Chin, Tibet, Uyghur, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, SCS, Tajakistan, Sri Lanka, Djibouti, Maldives and now eyeing Taiwan, Arunachal Pradesh, POJ&K and Pakistan.

Once in a while it is good to be inspired by other's bullying and intimidation to pursue our honorable goals :)
 
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It's not about treaty much but their blabbering about it, they always warn war if it is scrapped, let's put them on spot, humiliate the fauz that strip their citizens of everything to defend these myths. Once Pakistanis realize their army can't do anything except blabbering a lot of problems of this subcontinent will be solved.

Hit at the existence of PA, expose them, rest will be done by their public.
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I never said don't go after them. I meant not now, give it time. 5 years, a decade from now they will be in real shitholee and we will be in a much better position. We just need to get our business in order, take advantage of the Chinese slowdown and improve our economy. Within a decade we will have enough clout that we don't need to get a thumbs up from anyone to go after them.

And the way things look BJP already made plans to deal with PA on a long term.

Anyways I'm waiting for their next stupid move and they stopped be stupid just when I want them to be,
 
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Falcon said:
Please ... I know about it much more than the average Indian on street or to a certain extent, in forces too.
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I do agree your knowledge is far more than me on this matter because I'm not a professional and I' am also aware about the OP Rakshak although rather superficially and certainly not to the extent you are but Sir I still maintain that the RTI and it's response were strictly concerned to the fatalities due to CFVs. My figure could be wrong as I don't remember it exactly and it may also accounted the civilian casualties but still it is huge and must be stopped once and for all.
Falcon said:
1. Kashmir is not the result of Pakistani actions, it is the result of failure of Indian politicians.
2. Naxalism is not the result of Pakistani actions, it is the result of failure of local politics.
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Given, I too believe that Kashmir and Naxal problems have very much to do with some very big political blunders but then again every problem is a result of many factors and Kashmir or Naxalism are no exceptions.
How can you totally neglect the continued infiltration attempts of terrorists backed by Pakistani establishment or their covert funding to these elements in valley and naxal affected areas? We also couldn't overlook the fact that the reason behind those political blunders were close relationship of certain political class and civil society elements with our hostile forces. Since we have dealt with political foes ( by wiping them out in elections) the only task left for us to deal with the enemy outside our territory. It becomes much more necessary when we realise that it is the root cause of our problems. And surely you are aware sir for cutting a tree we must strike on the root.
 
Golden_Rule said:
that was a satire on China - land grab is their "core interest" - from Aksai Chin, Tibet, Uyghur, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, SCS, Tajakistan, Sri Lanka, Djibouti, Maldives and now eyeing Taiwan, Arunachal Pradesh, POJ&K and Pakistan.

Once in a while it is good to be inspired by other's bullying and intimidation to pursue our honorable goals :)
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Oh okay. Well I do agree in not losing territories.
 
Falcon said:
Rhetoric .
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Only way to deal with Pakistan now is to destroy their Military completely. Damage them to the point that they will not be able to rebuild. As long as PA military exists as an institution. IT will always be a threat to India. Destroy them,then the rest of the country can be handled so much more easier.
 
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Star Wars said:
Only way to deal with Pakistan now is to destroy their Military completely. Damage them to the point that they will not be able to rebuild. As long as PA military exists as an institution. IT will always be a threat to India. They have to be destroyed.
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These can be written in forum and SM, but in reality these are not possible.....PA is a very strong institution in Pakistsan. And over a period of time they have drilled this into brains of Pakistanis.... Those who differ were silenced systematically....They run the economy if Pakistan, and moron population is made to believe that the only institution one can trust is PA, rest are corrupt.... Why ISI remain under PA?

We may be able to damage PA thru an attack, but gafoora and gang will twist that and come out stronger......
 
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nair said:
These can be written in forum and SM, but in reality these are not possible.....PA is a very strong institution in Pakistsan. And over a period of time they have drilled this into brains of Pakistanis.... Those who differ were silenced systematically....They run the economy if Pakistan, and moron population is made to believe that the only institution one can trust is PA, rest are corrupt.... Why ISI remain under PA?

We may be able to damage PA thru an attack, but gafoora and gang will twist that and come out stronger......
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We don't need to do much. Pakistanis themselves will be more than willing to gobble them up. This loyalty for the PA is mainly from Punjab. Pashtuns, Baluchis and now even Sindhis to some extent does not like the Punjabi dominated army. Entire PA narrative survives on Kashmir, you cannot have a propaganda war for too long before your own country starts doubting you. That is very much visible on our neighbourhood forum. Take PoK away from them and give them a conventional defeat over the IB is more than enough. The rest of the work will do itself.
 
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