India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Work to stop water from flowing into Pakistan has started: Govt

Written by Devendra Pandey | Mumbai | Updated: August 21, 2019, 6:59:37 am

Shekhawat’s remarks come more than a fortnight after the Centre moved to scrap the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories, which has prompted protests from Pakistan.
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Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat

The Centre has started the process of stopping water from flowing into Pakistan without breaking the Indus Waters Treaty said Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat Tuesday in Mumbai, adding that the process has already begun to secure the water by building a diversion.

“If you are talking about our top priorities, then aane wale samay mein Pakistan jaane wale pani ko kaise roka ja sakta hai, uspe kaam chalu hai (work has begun on how to stop water that flows into Pakistan). I am talking about the water which is going to Pakistan, I’m not talking about breaking the Indus Treaty,” said Shekhawat. Asked to elaborate, he said, “The water which is excess and going to Pakistan, how can we stop that water? There are some reservoirs and rivers which are outside the catchment area. We will divert that channel so we can use that water in the lean season and monsoon season. Today, all our reservoirs are full but we can use that water (which is going to Pakistan) and divert it to the Ravi river.”

Shekhawat’s remarks come more than a fortnight after the Centre moved to scrap the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories, which has prompted protests from Pakistan.

Shekhawat also said that dams were built “not only to generate hydroelectricity” but for use in the “lean season”.

Incidentally, former Water Resources Minister Nitin Gadkari had made similar comments in the wake of the Pulwama terror attack on February 14. Then, Gadkari had said that the government had decided to “stop” the waters in the three “eastern rivers” of the Indus basin from flowing into Pakistan, and instead divert the flow to supply waters to “our people in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab”.

The waters of three eastern rivers of the Indus basin — Ravi, Sutlej and Beas — have been assigned entirely for use by India under the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan. The three western rivers — Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — are supposed to flow “unrestricted” to Pakistan under the treaty, though India, being the upstream country, is allowed to use the waters in a “non-consumptive” manner.

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Star Wars said:
Only way to deal with Pakistan now is to destroy their Military completely. Damage them to the point that they will not be able to rebuild. As long as PA military exists as an institution. IT will always be a threat to India. Destroy them,then the rest of the country can be handled so much more easier.
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Disagree by a very long margin. You are looking only at the symbol of the problem. Recollect what happened after Iraqi Army was disbanded by US.
 
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Janardan Shukla said:
rists backed by Pakistani establishment or their covert funding to these elements in valley and naxal affected areas? We also couldn't overlook the fact that the reason behind those political blunders were close relationship of certain political class and civil society elements with our hostile forces. Since we have dealt with political foes ( by wiping them out in elections) the only task left for us to deal with the enemy outside our territory. It becomes much more necessary when we realise that it is the root cause of our problems. And surely you are aware sir for cutting a tree we must strike on the root.
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I wrote a piece on Counter Insurgency 101. Read it please, understand the situation in J&K (analyzing it yourself) and then we will continue.

Counter Insurgency 101
 
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Paro said:
IWT shouldn't be scrapped. Just violate it when we exceed the capacity.
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No need to violate , just a renegotiation of the treaty is good enuf. IWT right now is in favor of pakistan, all we need to ask for is 50:50 aka equal distribution of water. This is zero risk and requires just diplomatic effort.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
It's not about treaty much but their blabbering about it, they always warn war if it is scrapped, let's put them on spot, humiliate the fauz that strip their citizens of everything to defend these myths. Once Pakistanis realize their army can't do anything except blabbering a lot of problems of this subcontinent will be solved.

Hit at the existence of PA, expose them, rest will be done by their public.
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Thats the reason why military always uses proxy civilians to run the country bcos they dont want to be exposed. If India had scrapped 370 when pakistan was run directly by military then there would be no place for them to hide.
 
Star Wars said:
Only way to deal with Pakistan now is to destroy their Military completely. Damage them to the point that they will not be able to rebuild. As long as PA military exists as an institution. IT will always be a threat to India. Destroy them,then the rest of the country can be handled so much more easier.
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Chanakya in Arthashastra stated that " victory on the battlefield is not the final remedy, but it is the acceptance of the final outcome by the defeated side "

if you understand the context , you will also understand the implications and what to aim for.

Many Indians are more apt to quote Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Tzu etc but the irony is the best solutions are to be found much closer home.
 
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Falcon said:
Disagree by a very long margin. You are looking only at the symbol of the problem. Recollect what happened after Iraqi Army was disbanded by US.
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Most ppl dont think about future but only about immediate results, winning a war or beating an enemy is just one part of it.

Being in neighborhood of an uncontrolled chaotic country with nukes floating around with a large radicalized population will be nothing short of a nightmare. Now whats the guarantee that these broken up parts of the neighbor will not be used by western powers to destabilize India.

On the humanitarian side we will have refugees trying to flee the chaos to the nearest safe place and that will be India. We will just be trading one problem for another.
 
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Indianrabbit said:
International pressure will not let the war escalate. I am predicting it will die down in next couple weeks.
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I have mentioned in my post previously. There is a threshold, when that threshold is crossed, only then the chances of skirmish would prevail.

1. Change in LOC
2. Major terror threat

This are the two threshold points and both the militaries understand this.

Mark this post for future reference.
screambowl said:
So as I said before conventional war will not happen. And other forum members should also learn this that to begin a war threshold must be crossed. There are only two threshold points which can lead to limited war.

1. LOC change (capturing land)
2. Major terror strike in India originating from Pak with huge causalities.

Apart from this there is now way a war could start. Although we are already fighting assymtric war but going total outright is only possible if two points above occur.

The current situation can trigger the two above but that depends on Pakistanis and with current developments and observing them they will not breach the LOC. But major tango activity can cause a small skirmish a very limited one maximum CFV.
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Work to stop water from flowing into Pakistan has started: Govt

Written by Devendra Pandey | Mumbai | Updated: August 21, 2019, 6:59:37 am

Shekhawat’s remarks come more than a fortnight after the Centre moved to scrap the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories, which has prompted protests from Pakistan.
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Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat

The Centre has started the process of stopping water from flowing into Pakistan without breaking the Indus Waters Treaty said Jal Shakti Minister Gajendra Singh Shekhawat Tuesday in Mumbai, adding that the process has already begun to secure the water by building a diversion.

“If you are talking about our top priorities, then aane wale samay mein Pakistan jaane wale pani ko kaise roka ja sakta hai, uspe kaam chalu hai (work has begun on how to stop water that flows into Pakistan). I am talking about the water which is going to Pakistan, I’m not talking about breaking the Indus Treaty,” said Shekhawat. Asked to elaborate, he said, “The water which is excess and going to Pakistan, how can we stop that water? There are some reservoirs and rivers which are outside the catchment area. We will divert that channel so we can use that water in the lean season and monsoon season. Today, all our reservoirs are full but we can use that water (which is going to Pakistan) and divert it to the Ravi river.”

Shekhawat’s remarks come more than a fortnight after the Centre moved to scrap the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories, which has prompted protests from Pakistan.

Shekhawat also said that dams were built “not only to generate hydroelectricity” but for use in the “lean season”.

Incidentally, former Water Resources Minister Nitin Gadkari had made similar comments in the wake of the Pulwama terror attack on February 14. Then, Gadkari had said that the government had decided to “stop” the waters in the three “eastern rivers” of the Indus basin from flowing into Pakistan, and instead divert the flow to supply waters to “our people in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab”.

The waters of three eastern rivers of the Indus basin — Ravi, Sutlej and Beas — have been assigned entirely for use by India under the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan. The three western rivers — Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — are supposed to flow “unrestricted” to Pakistan under the treaty, though India, being the upstream country, is allowed to use the waters in a “non-consumptive” manner.

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This is hilarious :ROFLMAO:
 
Falcon said:
Disagree by a very long margin. You are looking only at the symbol of the problem. Recollect what happened after Iraqi Army was disbanded by US.
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Yes, but an unorganised resistance is much easier to handle than an organised one. With PA dismantled, it would not be that difficult to divide them over religious and sectarian lines. With Multiple, terror groups forming we could pit one against the other, similar to what we did with Musa gang and LeT/JeM. Without an organised resistance, we could do air strikes and cross border ops at will. I feel the rewards far outweigh the risks.
 
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Star Wars said:
Yes, but an unorganised resistance is much easier to handle than an organised one. With PA dismantled, it would not be that difficult to divide them over religious and sectarian lines. With Multiple, terror groups forming we could pit one against the other, similar to what we did with Musa gang and LeT/JeM. Without an organised resistance, we could do air strikes and cross border ops at will. I feel the rewards far outweigh the risks.
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It isn't so much about the unorganized part but about the command & control. You can't have individual members on a daily basis strapping suicide vests and blowing themselves up in public places like how they did & are doing so in Iraq & Syria principally. Let's also not underestimate the PA. They're down but not out.
 
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It isn't so much about the unorganized part but about the command & control. You can't have individual members on a daily basis strapping suicide vests and blowing themselves up in public places like how they did & are doing so in Iraq & Syria principally. Let's also not underestimate the PA. They're down but not out.
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How many suicide bombings in Sindh and Balochistan?
 
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