India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Janardan Shukla said:
The fact is India and China were never enemies. In our long history of 5000 years we always co-existed peacefully. We had thriving trade relations, Chinese pilgrims visited here regularly, there students used to come here for studies, we have given them Buddhism faith all in all China and India always had deep cultural, economical and academic relations. Only for a short period of time ( 1958-1986) we had some confrontation due to bad policies from both sides. Even today our relationship is of rivalry not of enemies. The difference between rivalry and being enemies is that rivalry could be positive and constructive for both sides. With advent of trade war Chinese have understood clearly that western world in general and USA in particular will never allow any other country to rise to their level hence they are the true enemies. That is why now China wants good relations with India for mutual growth plus given the fact that western market is increasingly getting closed for Chinese products they will never want another big market of 1.3 billion people to close for them too. Also for the full consumption of their manufacturerd goods they would also need that Indian people have enough purchasing power hence bigger economy of India hence growth of India. That is why they now want mutual growth for China and India for their rise.
Another important point is OBOR can never be successful without India joining it due to its strategic location in IOR and Chinese will also be wary of chances of sabotaging of CPEC by India if it's concerns are not addressed. You have correctly summed up that biggest reason of these problems is border dispute resulting in trust deficit. Hence to solve this issue Chinese are offering early settlement of border dispute and neutrality in case if India try to regain POK through some hard measures. That will end the trust deficit hence the chances of sabotaging of CPEC plus it will give immense benefit and credibility to OBOR due to India joining it.
Now with keeping all this in mind do you really think China will prefer a failed state of Pakistan that is just a liability for whole world and is also indulged in terror activites in China over the immense economic benefit which China is in dire need due to trade war?
I think you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes for getting the right answer.
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First of all,China is not your rival, it's enemy.i thought that China has forget about war but doklam showed us that any settlement is simply not possible.china is old friend of pakistan and despite pathetic pakistani economy,they are standing with pakistan.just think it for a second! Do you really believe that China is your rival and it can ditch pakistan for India? I think for China,interest is important than money.china is interested in pakistani gwadar and not in indian ports.why? Same trust issue.there is no such deal.remember China still calls Andhra Pradesh and ladakh it's part which is dispute.also Pakistani military is much closer to Chinese military and we regularly train with each other.china is not a traitor and I am sure about that.
 
Guynextdoor said:
They did ask India to join CPEC. Their offer was actually to give us a cut of the money they're plundering from Pakistan by transferring some of the construction contracts to India. Any cntracts given to Indian companies won't need chinese workers, we can use our own. 'mil baant ke khayenge'
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So now China is your friend hahaha Bhai tum log pagal hogae ho lol.
 
Paro said:
There are two more actually.
1) Holding foreign tourists as hostage. Happened earlier.
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It's possible. Will get international traction. But it's high risk for the Pakistanis because after the crisis is resolved, Pakistan could end up with the threat of sanctions.

2) Holding a group of politicians or Gov Officials hostage. Something like the Iran Embassy hostage crisis.
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Definite red line. They cross this, they get war.

And mostly the attackers will be Kashmiris from either side.
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In both cases, the nationality of the terrorists won't matter. The country they were trained in will matter more. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis after all, and nothing happened to Saudi Arabia.
 
Arsalan123 said:
So now China is your friend hahaha Bhai tum log pagal hogae ho lol.
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Chinese even to pacify India showed entire J&K as Indian territory in BRI map , search if u want to. Now think about that
China removes BRI map that showed Arunachal & J&K part of India - The Economic Times China removes BRI map that showed Arunachal & J&K part of India
@Arsalan123 read this. Chinese snakes will sell Pakistan for peanuts iF they get their issues solved with India as they want to focus on their eastern border and SCS.
Even Pak jernails know this , hence Bajwa going to US,UK
 
jetray said:
If an attack takes place it will be under the name of ISIS. It's easy to get away with, pakistan will simply condemn and shed crocodile tears but still say it supports separatists in kashmir. Most probably attack will be on a religious place (to annoy BJP) or military installation (to avenge deaths on their side). Any attack on civilians will simply alienate even the non-kashmiri fringe ppl who have criticized the revocation of 370.
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Pakistan and ISIS are antagonistic with each other.
 
Arsalan123 said:
.remember China still calls Andhra Pradesh and ladakh it's part which is dispute
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Last time I remember no one had any claims on my state,definitely not the Chinese. Trust me they can't bear us.
Esteemed High Commissioner frm Pak, u r confusin Andhra Pradesh for Arunachal Pradesh.
Arunachal is in NE region and Andhra is in Southern region of India. China knows nothing about our South except Bodhidharma(I bet u dunno him either).:LOL:
 
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Sandeep0159 said:
Last time I remember no one had any claims on my state,definitely not the Chinese. Trust me they can't bear us.
Esteemed High Commissioner frm Pak, u r confusin Andhra Pradesh for Arunachal Pradesh.
Arunachal is in NE region and Andhra is in Southern region of India. China knows nothing about our South except Bodhidharma(I bet u dunno him either).:LOL:
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If Johnny Sins can be "Yusuf", Andhra Paradesh can be Arunachal Pradesh.

If you guys are going to call him a High Commissioner, then its only fitting to be prepared for the goof-ups that are so typical of Pakistani diplomatic staff.
 
Gautam said:
If Johnny Sins can be "Yusuf", Andhra Paradesh can be Arunachal Pradesh.

If you guys are going to call him a High Commissioner, then its only fitting to be prepared for the goof-ups that are so typical of Pakistani diplomatic staff.
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They make a lot of goof ups all the time - the biggest ones are - Kashmir banega Pakistan. IOK, Azad Kashmir etc. etc.
Goof ups are a way of life for our "friends" from across the border.
 
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DivineHeretic said:
2. School hijacking. Carries a high risk of negative international coverage. However will put Indian government under intense pressure as the images of 2000-3000 children under siege with their wailing parents will make it impossible to consider kinetic response. Can be stretched out for days into a media spectacle and humiliate government.

But I'm not Bajwa. So, just my two cents.
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Yes, imagine Pakistani terrorists holding children hostage all over the international media, that too over the demand for Kashmir. You are literally asking for international economic sanctions. Even the Chinese will be unable to weasel out an argument in favour of Pakistan/Kashmir in this case.
 
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randomradio said:
There are also other targets, like bus, metro and railway stations, malls, gatherings during upcoming Hindu festivals etc. These are much softer targets than the three you mentioned.
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This govt. is known for its belligerent response. I honestly can't think of anything Pak can do which can paralyse the Indian state at this point. What ever they could have tried they should have done early August when they knew something was up. Like Mass protests to pre-empt Art 370. But now its way to late.
 
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Star Wars said:
This govt. is known for its belligerent response. I honestly can't think of anything Pak can do which can paralyse the Indian state at this point. What ever they could have tried they should have done early August when they knew something was up. Like Mass protests to pre-empt Art 370. But now its way to late.
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The final nail will be once Sharia Court of India throws out all the petitions challenging abolision of special status of J&K.
 
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randomradio said:
Pakistan and ISIS are antagonistic with each other.
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Not necessarily now. Things are changing on ground quite quickly. In its quest for strategic 'options'/'depth', Pakistan has managed to unleash a perpetuation of radicalization of its own society. I am pretty sure, ISIS will be able to assimilate in the society quite easily.
 
Falcon said:
Not necessarily now. Things are changing on ground quite quickly. In its quest for strategic 'options'/'depth', Pakistan has managed to unleash a perpetuation of radicalization of its own society. I am pretty sure, ISIS will be able to assimilate in the society quite easily.
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Amrullah Saleh in his latest comminique has already traced the ISIS connections back to Pakistan.


_Anonymous_ said:
Lawrence Sellin (@LawrenceSellin) Tweeted:
Captured Islamic State members received financial support & weapons-training from Pakistan. They have a very functioning channel of communication by road & by other means to Pakistan. Hard & circumstantial evidence indicate an Islamic State-Pakistan link. Have Hard Evidence Linking Pak to ISIS Presence in Region, Says Afghan V-P Hopeful and Ex-Spy Boss (
https://twitter.com/x/status/1168793533224013824
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