India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[vstol Jockey]

Muslims are beaten in India but you can see that there are many who attacked india.i don't know why they targeted only India.

Money. That was it. Muslims did not have any kind of set up for being governed properly like we Hindus had from Arthshastra to system of governance. You were looters only and governance was never part of your Gazwat. Mughals knew this short coming and so they had only Hindus as their tax officers.

 

[Jaymax]

Money. That was it. Muslims did not have any kind of set up for being governed properly like we Hindus had from Arthshastra to system of governance. You were looters only and governance was never part of your Gazwat. Mughals knew this short coming and so they had only Hindus as their tax officers.

Mughals also had Rajputs do a lot of their fighting. A few choice mistakes meant the Sikhs and Marathas would never be their friends. But Mughals made sure to keep Rajputs in good humor. When Aurangzeb upset this arrangement his empire lost its finest Generals and one of its best sources of men

 

[Milspec]

I request you to elaborate your point for my benefit.

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[BlackOpsIndia]

Best scenario......This was their trump card.....If this doesn't go well..... then its trouble big time for bajwa.....

Gafoora started and build his last press conference in and around the Importance of Pakistan in south Asia with respect to each of its neighbors.....

Imagine how much Niazi, Bajwa and gang hates Modi.......He poured water over their 70 year old house of cards......

Sir please do not underestimate Trump's urge for surender in Afghanistan, he will take whatever deal is possible to formally announce himself strong leader who can end 20yr old war and he will pull out even when there is no deal at all that's how much desperate he is.

Also that Afghan deal is more about staying afloat with IMF and Arabs pumping money in exchange. UAE, Saudia was nudged to give all those concessions and money just for Afghan deal that's the reason it won't fall apart as Pakistan is in no condition to payback immediately or even afford revoking of those delayed oil payments.

If it was not based upon solid favours Pakistan would have by now derailed the deal but they couldn't, even after major event of 370 removal.

 

[Jaymax]

If you do not know what is Khanda, you are not a Punjabi.

His Excellency is Sindhi who comes from the Ottomans - via a process my profs called creative accounting.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Yeah that is why historically the revenue department was always under the control of Bramhins.

The problem with Pakistan today is that in old undivided Punjab, which was the richest state in the world for over 2000years, they lost businessmen when they converted everyone to Islam and made them Jungjoo. Now the warriors don't care for finances. When we got divided, Pakistan lost majority of high quality tax officers. The people who created Pakistan were highly educated Shias and Ahmadiyas and Nawabs who felt threatened by the system of equality which Bharat ratan BR Ambedkar wanted to enforce.
Pakistan was created by those looters who had nothing to do with equality as enshrined in Islam. Even today Pakistan has Zamindaari and Vadera system. I am an ex Zamindaar of South delhi and Haryana. But I accepot the equality and abolision of it.

His Excellency is Sindhi who comes from the Ottomans - via a process my profs called creative accounting.

I must bow to you sir for correcting me. it was Khanda which defeated Alexander in Battle of Jhelum. It is a straght sword with broad outer tip and and heavy. It is so strong that it can cut anyother word in two parts. But wielding it requires very strong hands and wrist and ability to fight as if it is part of your hand. It has more weight at its tip. But exteremely deadly. Our Tenth Guruji had this as his fav weapon. Only people who had this as their main weapon could fight with it.

 

[Jaymax]

I must bow to you sir for correcting me. it was Khanda which defeated Alexander in Battle of Jhelum. It is a straght sword with borad outer tip and and heavy. It is so strong that it can cut anyother word in two parts. But wielding ut requires very string hands and wrist and ability to fight as if it is part of your hand. It has more weight at its tip. But exteremely deadly. Our Tenth Guruji had this as his fav weapon.

Just pointing his excellency's origin out, no intention of correcting anything. Thanks for explaining the concept for the rest of the forum.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Just pointing his excellency's origin out, no intention of correcting anything. Thanks for explaining the concept for the rest of the forum.

Khanda was a weapon of attackers against the invading guys who were lightly armed and cutting them and their horses down needed a strong sword. Khanda could give such a serious jolt to a chain armourd guy that he used to fall from his horse and also cut his sword in two.

 

[jetray]

Pakistan and ISIS are antagonistic with each other.

Nah, ISIS is just a handy name which can be used to fight proxy battles.
Its not just pakistan even afghanistan will play the same game using ISIS name gives a good cover of deniability.

 

[Deathstar]

The problem with Pakistan today is that in old undivided Punjab, which was the richest state in the world for over 2000years, they lost businessmen when they converted everyone to Islam and made them Jungjoo. Now the warriors don't care for finances. When we got divided, Pakistan lost majority of high quality tax officers. The people who created Pakistan were highly educated Shias and Ahmadiyas and Nawabs who felt threatened by the system of equality which Bharat ratan BR Ambedkar wanted to enforce.
Pakistan was created by those looters who had nothing to do with equality as enshrined in Islam. Even today Pakistan has Zamindaari and Vadera system. I am an ex Zamindaar of South delhi and Haryana. But I accepot the equality and abolision of it.

Even Pakistanis will agree to this. One of the reason to create Pakistan was to preserve this zamindari system. Look at Sindh , almost all politicians are rich landlords and region is quite lawless. Further they alienated muslim minority like Ahmadis , Shias , Hazaras and other ethnicities. They have the most fertile land in Punjab yet are helpless to do anything

 

[Arsalan123]

I gave you news links. Does it ever occur to you that Pakistanis are the only ones claiming Indians are delusional? We pretty much do everything we want. You pretty much can't do anything.

Take the current situation- you know Kashmir is now off the table for good right? Nothing that you do- diplomacy, terrorism or pandering will ever change anything.

We are sick and tired of this terrorism blame.what do you expect when you have no solution for Kashmir? It is now 70 years.

 

[Jaymax]

We are sick and tired of this terrorism blame.what do you expect when you have no solution for Kashmir? It is now 70 years.

Excellency, you are tired of being blamed? Imagine the plight of us mere mortals who have to live with your antics. We do have a solution and we are acting on it. Worst case we will settle the dispute for good. Best case - you ll get a whole new passport.

 

[lcafanboy]

You have superior weapons but weapons alone can't win you wars and you know it.ehen war comes,we will fight.

Superior weapons alone win wars. If not humans would have still been fighting with stones, which were superceded by swords, which were superceded by guns, rockets, missiles,etc.....

 

[Arsalan123]

1- No third party can define the bilateral relationship b/w Us and China. If we are saying they are rivals not enemies then it is the case.
2- In Doklam we were bound with the security agreement with Bhutan. And did you pay heed to the fact that despite the 75 days standoff and all the rhetorics not a single round was fired? This itself shows China doesn't want war with us.
3- China can ditch anyone for money. And all your delusion about China standing with you will break when you will learn the harsh reality. Just start the war see for yourself.
4- China was, is and always will be interested in Indian ports due to their short distance from China plus relatively far better security environment vis-a-vis Pakistani ports. They didn't get it because we didn't allowed them.
5- " China is not a traitor ".
Man this is international diplomacy not a daily soap okay. Here interests reign supreme and for Chinese the first priority are this which could turn into some hard cash. That only we could provide through our increasing trade not you. They will choose us anytime against you, We are just opposing them due to our Principals. As soon as we regain control of POK you will see an ICEC instead of CPEC

75 days without no bullet is not a big achievement.problem is you have problems with chinese.now you are saying that just because you are bigger economy,they will abandon us anytime.that is not true.china and Pakistan nexus is well known and China is helping pakistan tremendously.let us see what India is doing.china have tried several times to persuade India about cpec but failed.do they stop their project? No.

Why they are making gwadar a military base? It's a long term strategy and people understands what I am talking about here.

Your missile hand over to Vietnam made them angry.your cooperation with America in Arabian ocean is also a security problem for China.

Last is your border dispute.you have two areas,one is ladakh and one is arunachal.they claim both regions which means boundary problem can never be solved with dialogue.

And one more thing.if economy is everything then they should select America but there are problems.your rise is not good for China but you will not understand my logic.

 

[Arsalan123]

That actually is an even bigger issue with your establishment.

Your Military highest priority in contrary to what you believe is Self Preservation.
As soon as self-preservation kicks in, it will not hesitate to do the unthinkable, whether it's selling out it's own assets, Military coups, or even unilateral surrenders to it's enemy. It will even sacrifice it's own cadres for some alms as we saw in Salala incident. So you military for the most of the time don't fight against India to protect Pakistani interests, it fights against India, to ensure it maintains it's a stranglehold on the coffers of State of Pakistan, and if anything a defeat against India on the battlefield only makes its control over Pakistan stronger as seen in 65, 71, 99 etc.

So no matter what happens on the battlefield, the Pakistani Army always wins, and the ultimate example of that was Kargil; Pakistan lost but Musharraf won.

We lost kargil but we did well in the initial stage.look at strength of your army.9 lakh soldiers just to defend Kashmir.past is past.we move on.it took you 20 years to do balakot.i said several times that kargil was aggressive strategy by pakistan and despite defeat,we have seen results.after 20 years,you finally managed to attack us.20 years is a long time.

 

[Cole_phelps]

@Arsalan123. Let me explain to you Islamic conquest and Mughal rule in simplest way possible while not giving you any reference of past which you are not going to read anyway.

Consider the scenario that a fight broke out between posh colony and slum residence. So while slums are able to pelt stones on educated and rich class and abuse them or even conquer their houses, they end up bankrupt due to lack of wisdom.

Now fast forward today and that rich colony decided to fund armed warriors fully capable of defeating those bloodthirsty, disorganized, savage and unruly mob.

Now slum is protesting with placards and observing 30 mins of standing while claiming to be a victim for colony they snatched away from previous owner.

The problem is you have to fight a fully armed and trained force rather than defenceless Hindus and Buddhists.

 

[Arsalan123]

@Arsalan123. Let me explain to you Islamic conquest and Mughal rule in simplest way possible while not giving you any reference of past which you are not going to read anyway.

Consider the scenario that a fight broke out between posh colony and slum residence. So while slums are able to pelt stones on educated and rich class and abuse them or even conquer their houses, they end up bankrupt due to lack of wisdom.

Now fast forward today and that rich colony decided to fund armed warriors fully capable of defeating those bloodthirsty, disorganized, savage and unruly mob.

Now slum is protesting with placards and observing 30 mins of standing while claiming to be a victim for colony they snatched away from previous owner.

The problem is you have to fight a fully armed and trained force rather than defenceless Hindus and Buddhists.

Numerical superiority my friend.this is your strength.

 

[Guynextdoor]

We are sick and tired of this terrorism blame.what do you expect when you have no solution for Kashmir? It is now 70 years.

Maybe you should have stopped terrorism if you were that sick and tired of the blame.

 

[Arsalan123]

Superior weapons alone win wars. If not humans would have still been fighting with stones, which were superceded by swords, which were superceded by guns, rockets, missiles,etc.....

Weapons are useless without good strategy.

Maybe you should have stopped terrorism if you were that sick and tired of the blame.

You will not do what we want.we will not do what you want.

 

[Milspec]

We lost kargil but we did well in the initial stage.look at strength of your army.9 lakh soldiers just to defend Kashmir.past is past.we move on.it took you 20 years to do balakot.i said several times that kargil was aggressive strategy by pakistan and despite defeat,we have seen results.after 20 years,you finally managed to attack us.20 years is a long time.

Another Jem of information from delusional pdfians,

Simple Algebra:
IA has 1,237,117 active personnel. i.e. 12 lakh 37 thousand soldiers.

If 9 Lakh were deployed in Kargil, i.e 73% deployed in Kargil, it would leave 27% of the army for defending Rajhastan, Punjab, Gujarat and the china border.
If 9 lakh soldiers were deployed in Kargil, and Pakistans' entire force was along the rest of the International border, i.e 5.5lakh Pakistani soldiers against 1.5 lakh odd Indian soldiers, then by now Virat Kohli would be opening for Pakistan.