India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Arsalan123 said:
We lost kargil but we did well in the initial stage.look at strength of your army.9 lakh soldiers just to defend Kashmir.past is past.we move on.it took you 20 years to do balakot.i said several times that kargil was aggressive strategy by pakistan and despite defeat,we have seen results.after 20 years,you finally managed to attack us.20 years is a long time.
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You occupied hills vacated by Indian Army as part of an un written rule. You lost kargil even after that. Please read what your own PM Nawz Sharif had to say about Kargil and also your own retired Generals of that era.
 
Arsalan123 said:
75 days without no bullet is not a big achievement.problem is you have problems with chinese.now you are saying that just because you are bigger economy,they will abandon us anytime.that is not true.china and Pakistan nexus is well known and China is helping pakistan tremendously.let us see what India is doing.china have tried several times to persuade India about cpec but failed.do they stop their project? No.

Why they are making gwadar a military base? It's a long term strategy and people understands what I am talking about here.

Your missile hand over to Vietnam made them angry.your cooperation with America in Arabian ocean is also a security problem for China.

Last is your border dispute.you have two areas,one is ladakh and one is arunachal.they claim both regions which means boundary problem can never be solved with dialogue.

And one more thing.if economy is everything then they should select America but there are problems.your rise is not good for China but you will not understand my logic.
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1- Reason of rejecting CPEC has already been given. Very soon that will not exist.
2- As I have already said rivalry will exist.
3- So does their many acts angered us too. See point two.
4- Point two again.
5- I have already given the reason in my earlier comment that why mutual growth of India and China is now in Chinese interest in the new circumstances.
 
Falcon said:
Not necessarily now. Things are changing on ground quite quickly. In its quest for strategic 'options'/'depth', Pakistan has managed to unleash a perpetuation of radicalization of its own society. I am pretty sure, ISIS will be able to assimilate in the society quite easily.
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Isn't ISIS opposed to PA's style of ruling the country?

Not to mention TTP members within its roost.

But yeah, it's possible things have changed a lot, as you say.
 
Some Twitter handles are putting out a list of 64 dead PA troops in past month with most of them unacknowledged by DG ISPR. I am not putting it here because can't vouch for its veracity but it's pretty detailed with unit, ranks etc.
 
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Some Twitter handles are putting out a list of 64 dead PA troops in past month with most of them unacknowledged by DG ISPR. I am not putting it here because can't vouch for its veracity but it's pretty detailed with unit, ranks etc.
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Pakistan Army lost 64 Soldiers in last 5 Weeks, Over 60% Buried silently – Indian Defence Research Wing

Baba ke kaan ye khabar ab tak nahin padi :(
 
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Cole_phelps said:
Some Twitter handles are putting out a list of 64 dead PA troops in past month with most of them unacknowledged by DG ISPR. I am not putting it here because can't vouch for its veracity but it's pretty detailed with unit, ranks etc.
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The list is the work of Noor Alam from DFI, a damn fine OSINT guy. He has extensive information/evidence corroborating each of those kills, mostly from Twitter posts by family members, relatives and neighbors of the slain troops. As such we are fairly confident of the accuracy of the list.

However is that list exhaustive? The answer is no. The areas belonging to AJK/GB, especially areas close to the LOC, have been under a strict internet lockdown since Feb 26,2019 (some regions since 2016). As such it is impossible to dig up information pertaining to slain troops from these regions. Further, there is a strict advisory in effect by ISPR/PA, urging locals to not upload images/information of slain troops. And they have apparently been willing to use coercion to enforce this advisory. Additionally PA has resorted to burying the dead at night with minimal ceremony to avoid optics.

As such Its only the troops from urban/near urban areas where it becomes impossible to hide casualties that we have been able to identiy the dead/wounded. Troops from villages/rural areas are largely ignored, cannot be identified by own analysis.

If not already, by end of 2019, PA casualties (excluding jihadis an BATs) will exceed the figures for 2001-02, the highest in the past 30 years, inclusive of Kargil conflict. Expect casualties (dead and wounded) to exceed 1200.
 
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Today is Yuam-e-Difa day in Pakistan. On this day the Ghazi army of Pakistan which was invading Akhnoor in India had to rush back to save Lahore from Invading Kafir Indian Army. The mard-e-momin who started the fight and the war were shocked to see Indian response. And they celebrate it as Defence of Pakistan day. Can there be anything more bizzare.
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Our casualties not a matter of figure: Pak Army after India Today Expose

A day after India Today TV carried out an investigation titled "Pakistan's Ghost Martyrs", Pakistan army went on backfoot and said that sacrifice of its soldiers is not just a figure.

By Ankit Kumar
New Delhi
September 5, 2019
UPDATED: September 5, 2019 15:21 IST
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Pakistan military spokesperson Major General Asif Ghafoor (File Photo)

A day after India Today TV carried out an investigation titled "Pakistan's Ghost Martyrs", Pakistan army went on backfoot and said that sacrifice of its soldiers is not just a figure.

The investigation was carried out by India Today TV's Special Investigation Team that established how Pakistani army has been understating its casualty figures along the Line of Control (LoC).

The Pakistani army spokesperson Major General Asif Ghafoor has now gone into a defensive mode, saying that the casualties suffered by Pakistan are not a matter of figures.

Addressing a press conference in Rawalpindi on Wednesday, Ghafoor said, "It's not a matter of figure. If 20,000-25,000 thousand people have made a sacrifice for Pakistan, this is not about a figure, it is about humanity. They are alive for us according to our theory in Islam."

"These people have sacrificed their lives for us, they have families left here, they have parents and children here. I request every Pakistani to reach out to the families of martyrs in their areas and put up their pictures and remember them," Ghafoor said.

Ghafoor recalled that the army had started a tradition of observing Martyrs Day every year on 6th of September and the sacrifice of its martyrs will go in vain if the public of Pakistan does not acknowledge its importance.

Earlier Ghafoor acknowledged the India Today report by sharing a link of India Today broadcast and termed it Indian media's "obsession with ISPR".

An India Today's open-source investigation compared the historical data released by Pakistani army with its daily data. The comparision showed a gross mismatch. The investigation found that the historical data mentions several fatal incidents along Line of Control (LoC), and the daily statements released by Pakistan overlooked these incidents.

In the second part of the investigation, crowd-sourced data collected by India Today identified multiple casualties in Pakistan army between July and August along LoC. These casualties have not been publicly acknowledged by the ISPR.

Reacting to India Today expose, Sushant Sarin, Senior Fellow of Observer Research Foundation said, "The reason why they don't acknowledge their casualties because it is deeply embarrassing for the army, which has created a veneer of invincibility about it. However, in reality, they are taking quite a beating."

Sarin recalled that the Pakistan army did the same during Kargil war. "They even control the media in order to make sure that leaks don't happen," alleged Sarin.

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