India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
For the bold.

Brutal fact: There is no shame in accepting that the only option for us post Independence was to either align with US and be the sub-continental boss or be non-aligned and suffer. The latter is the reason. Not what you are posting above.

We simply did not have the economic or military might to leverage our position of Non-Aligned in an effective way. At the end of the day - economics.
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The aligned guys are doing much much worse. Including China. We have massively used our position to secure ourselves better than just about any other country on earth.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
@Falcon @vstol Jockey

We Refused to Join the US camp after Independence Purely for Economic Reasons

We were a very poor country and Capitalist model of development was Not an option for us because that would have created a Few Super Rich families Owning the entire economy and Entire Country
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That line of thinking is extremely misguided. The Japanese, S Koreans, Taiwanese and Singaporeans did not think that way, that's why they are so rich now.

We should have followed the capitalist model from day 1, we would have become a developed country by 1990. In a capitalist model, everybody becomes rich, or at least everybody would have the opportunity to become rich. In a socialist model, only the dishonest get rich, and not by creating value.
 
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Falcon said:
Man, I was hoping that there would not have been a great dissonance between what is happening on ground and the bold part.

Had that, the bold portion, been a reality, we would have moved in PoJ&K by now. The problem is, your frontline has simply vacated their forward posts and moved back and are absolutely not doing anything that allows us any excuse to cross the LC.

Recall your leadership claim that abrogation of Article 370 made Simla Agreement irrelevant? But yet, Pakistan did nothing to actually make that proclamation a fact. We are just hoping that you do something daft. It will happen. With the stunt with civilians you have tried.

Hard facts. The moderator on other forum could not get through her thick head something fact.

Kashmiris, by and large want freedom. Take a look at JKLF in your side right now. Look at what happened to your representatives in London. No one wants Pakistan. No one is an idiot.

I have been on the ground. Know what the population's view there is. If not independence, they are happy enough being in India. Watch the fun. You will see pro-Independence gain more traction on your side.
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If the PA start committing genocide in POJK, that will give us the excuse necessary.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
I really dont understand what has happened Suddenly in POK

Why are those people fighting with Pakistan Army
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Probably they realised that PA is not that invincible as they portray themselves to be, Probably got some confidence.....

People dont understand the situation in JnK (both sides) They may use Pak flags, doesn't mean that they want to join Pak.... They want abadi from both india and Pak, This was something Mushraff learnt post kargil and put Kashmir in backburner or tried to find a solution....
 
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