Failed in developing any genuine gun and also failed in procuring weapon system, and when private players offer their expertise, Amit Shah and his son want cuts from deal ( Baap Beta dono chor) and this can only happen through Adani this is why they are bringing him. Nil manufacturing capability and zero supply chain, I fear in case of war Amit Shah will make sure that India loses more territory.
What about domestically produced gun? They are already 100% Indian and intentionally made to fail trials. Pakistan has got more than 1000 155mm 52 cal, 120km rocket artillery, and here we are playing card with paan in mouth like a typical Amit Shah chor baniya.
Mazaak bana ke rakh diya hai
If Russia had outsourced everything the NATO would have been in Moscow sipping tea. But New Delhi doesn't realize it that they need supply chain which is indigenous and also technology which is indigenous. Why you want to outsource your national security?
Domestic guns are still in the reckoning. DRDO stopped the imports of better MLRS.
Same, again, DRDO stopped the imports of foreign guns, so we have fallen behind both enemies.
Not how it works.
Arjun is less indigenous than the T-90.
Domestic supply chain should mean everything is sourced from within India. Just 'cause you make the hull in India, but end up importing the engine and transmission from Germany doesn't mean it's indigenous.
Indigenous means at least 95% should be Indian. Normally, it should be 100%. The alternative is to import from a reliable supplier that will not sanction us. What's the point of building Arjun if the Germans sanction us someday?
Whenever this topic comes up, common sense always leaves the building.
100% ToT of ATHOS is more indigenous than 97% of ATAGS. Think about it.
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So what DRDO has learnt from Haubitz 77 in the past 30 years, that they are not able to produce any decent arty system which can fulfill the demands of Army and would it be like every time something has to be imported to learn from it?
Dhanush and ATAGS both are considered not fit to fight and that's why they are not being produced in thousands. The current demand is 2000 155mm 52 cal self propelled and light weight. And both of them fail to achieve the standard.
The bhikaris have more than Indian army. And bringing Fateh 1 and 2 approx 800 in numbers.
DRDO has nothing to do with Haubitz 77. Dhanush is the Indian Bofors made by OFB, it's not indigenous. We will operate a little over 400.
Yeah. We are paying dearly for the cancelation of 400 ATHOS. Too late though.
The Fatah-1 is pretty good, but 2 isn't a serious threat. Impressive as it looks, it is also much more easily intercepted.
Although late, DRDO is making better systems in the 150 and 250 km range.
No one will give you 100% TOT stop talking like fool, we will remain dependent on foreign oem for upgrade, modification & critical spare parts. Indigenous system are way better than foreign maal. When you have multiple local guns available why the hell do u even need foreign maal that too under iddm (by exploiting the loophole) .
Because like Russian system,our systems too wont work. Remember the last exercise by IAF. Samar, Akash all miss the target.
Elbit is offering 100% in this case.
And no, one of the main criterias for large scale programs is upgrades, modernizations etc need to be done in India. We are already doing that even for systems that were directly imported, like Mig-29 and M2000.
It's about getting the best gun to kill enemies most efficiently that can also be supported in the best possible way. If an Indian designed gun can offer that, then they only have to demonstrate that during evaluations. The forces are only concerned about getting the best for the cheapest.
You see, the forces are mainly concerned with fighting and winning wars for the country, they are not that worried about making some company rich. If both align, well and good, but it's not a priority.
If there's an Indian company that can offer an Indian-designed gun that's equal to or better than ATHOS and at a cheaper rate, then it will win.
Don't be silly. Akash has exceeded requirements by a significant margin. And SAMAR uses a proven missile system, which shot down an F-16.
I beleive cab report on Akash, and i do even trust more on hellfire. He even said akash is an INSAS equivalent.
Shoot down of F16 is a grey area.
All old news.
Sure. But there's a downed F-16 and a dead pilot. And only 1 missile fired from our side, which also happens to be the one SAMAR uses. So even if PAF self-goaled here, we still have a missile capable of bringing it down.
May be old news, but the results of last IAF exercise are not. And you don't have another CAG report saying that Aksh is improved.
What happened in the last exercise?
CAG only complains about failures, not successes. Akash's only issue was its initial low quality LSP units, that was rectified well over a decade ago before serial production began.
Armenia's bought 15 batteries, that's half of the IAF's inventory, that already demonstrates confidence.
That's not possible that DRDO has not analysed FH77 India's primary artillery.
I think Indian army doesn't want to deploy a lot of howitzers. Otherwise wouldn't Dhanush or MGS 155mm be produced in huge numbers? Why few hundreds?
Defense minister has already mentioned seven days ago that India will have long term goal that is to manufacture in home and create supply chain. How much of it will be indigenous only time will tell. But 75% of the defense budget is reserved for domestic industries.
Most probably in 5 years only.
I think it's quite likely. They want to do things themselves. They don't like to use the experience of others.
Depends on what you mean by "howitzers." IA wants up to 3600 new howitzers.
Original plan: 1580 towed, 814 mounted, 180 self-propelled wheeled, 100 self-propelled tracked, and 145 ultra-light 155 mm/52 calibre artillery guns.
Dhanush is old-tech. It's being used to replace Bofors one-to-one.
This is a very good example of why the percentage of indigenization matters.
www.hindustantimes.com
Karnataka Deputy Chief Minister D K Shivakumar on Saturday announced that the private water tankers in Bengaluru would be taken over by the State government in view of severe water shortage.
During emergencies, the govt can simply takeover whatever the heck they want. So even if a foreign company with 100% ownership is manufacturing something that's using foreign IP, the central govt can take it away.
But if even 10% is outside the control of the govt and it cannot be replaced, eg, LCA's F404/414 or Arjun's German MTU engine, then the entire system becomes useless.
Karnataka govt to takeover private water tankers in Bengaluru
The decision is taken in view of severe water shortage in Bengaluru and upcoming summer.
During emergencies, the govt can simply takeover whatever the heck they want. So even if a foreign company with 100% ownership is manufacturing something that's using foreign IP, the central govt can take it away.
But if even 10% is outside the control of the govt and it cannot be replaced, eg, LCA's F404/414 or Arjun's German MTU engine, then the entire system becomes useless.