Indian Political Discussion

[Infowarrior]

Left is not united anywhere. Only place where communism was showcased earlier was USSR, its gone now. Now only country left is China, its time will come as well. Currently Venezuela is shining bright as an example of socialistic Communist govt.
It doesn't work. History is witness.

As for Amit shah and Loya, congis couldn't fix shah modi duo when in power what makes you think they will succeed now? Strength through unity? Unity of leftists?

But I like your attitude, I wish you even more strength of conviction in your beliefs for when despair comes, it will bury you alive.

I'm a centrist. I oppose the left as much as the right.

 

[Arbit]

I'm a centrist. I oppose the left as much as the right.

You don't get to explain what you are. Its clear as day.

 

[bonobashi]

Left is not united anywhere. Only place where communism was showcased earlier was USSR, its gone now. Now only country left is China, its time will come as well. Currently Venezuela is shining bright as an example of socialistic Communist govt.
It doesn't work. History is witness.

What gives you the infantile notion that the left consists of Communists? Especially given that Communists are cordially detested through most of the left?

As for Amit shah and Loya, congis couldn't fix shah modi duo when in power what makes you think they will succeed now? Strength through unity? Unity of leftists?

But I like your attitude, I wish you even more strength of conviction in your beliefs for when despair comes, it will bury you alive.

 

[Arbit]

What gives you the infantile notion that the left consists of Communists? Especially given that Communists are cordially detested through most of the left?

Unlike set theory where left and communists could be shown as either consisting of other, think of it as a coin. Leftists and communists are two sides of the same coin. One thing will inevitably lead to other in the long term. They cordially dislike each other cos they see each other as what they would become if they continue on the same path long enough.
Funny eh!

 

[bonobashi]

Unlike set theory where left and communists could be shown as either consisting of other, think of it as a coin. Leftists and communists are two sides of the same coin. One thing will inevitably lead to other in the long term. They cordially dislike each other cos they see each other as what they would become if they continue on the same path long enough.
Funny eh!

No. The product of superficial or non-existent knowledge of the political thought concerned. If you don't know a subject, say so and stay out of it.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I'm a centrist. I oppose the left as much as the right.

Then please do us a favour

Write a paragraph criticising The Communists and the Congress party
That is Because if you are really neutral ; you should be able to call a spade a spade

Or else come clean about your political affiliation

In India No Body is Politically Neutral ; every body is aligned to some ideology

 

[_Anonymous_]

Unlike set theory where left and communists could be shown as either consisting of other, think of it as a coin. Leftists and communists are two sides of the same coin. One thing will inevitably lead to other in the long term. They cordially dislike each other cos they see each other as what they would become if they continue on the same path long enough.
Funny eh!

Left is the generic term used to describe political thought usually concerning economic conditions but not restricted to it ranging from socialism to everything in between right up to communism which lies on the extreme end of the left spectrum . Traditionally the socialists never saw eye to eye with the Communists globally , including in India . Today the socialists in India have morphed into another animal ( caste based centred around a few families and confined to regions in India ) but the communists still retain their belief in ideology irrespective of how outdated it may be.

Here's a not so small primer Hope it's useful -

Political “Left” and “Right” Properly Defined - The Objective Standard

 

[Infowarrior]

What gives you the infantile notion that the left consists of Communists? Especially given that Communists are cordially detested through most of the left?

I think for them everyone is a leftist, its relativity. Anyone who opposes Modi is labelled as pro-Congress or anti-national.
I don't think they will ever understand. I remember studying LPG and demerits of license raj as a young child, now I understand why it was suddenly mooted and implemented in 1991. For 4 decades they felt no need for it.

India's economic growth spurt in the 90s was a temporary phenomenon. I think actual Indian growth rate now is just 5% and will remain so( hint-base year manipulation). Since most people are good. The malice lies only in some selfish elites of the Hindutwa-gang, rest just want want uniformity. But they don't understand that there should be materialistic and social uniformity, they are too selfish and possessive to make this sacrifice.
I have almost zero trust for RSS-BJP politicians, they are just not our well wishers, this is clear to me now. We should be extremely careful when we deal with them.

Left is the generic term used to describe political thought usually concerning economic conditions but not restricted to it ranging from socialism to everything in between right up to communism which lies on the extreme end of the left spectrum . Traditionally the socialists never saw eye to eye with the Communists globally , including in India . Today the socialists in India have morphed into another animal ( caste based centred around a few families and confined to regions in India ) but the communists still retain their belief in ideology irrespective of how outdated it may be.

Here's a not so small primer Hope it's useful -

Political “Left” and “Right” Properly Defined - The Objective Standard

You have you to understand that it is human nature to form factions and groups. This Karni-sena is also a caste based group, VHP is a caste based group. You can't blame anyone when others do the same and compete with your group. Competition is competition, you will have to face it.

 

[ManavantraTruti]

But what about protecting "secularism" ?

Hawala and dawood is secondary to "secularism".

 

[Parul]

Lutyens Dalals! #Presstitudes

https://twitter.com/x/status/956804315376599041

https://twitter.com/x/status/956804984909086721

 

[Ironhide]

But what about protecting "secularism" ?

Hawala and dawood is secondary to "secularism".

Let alone the death of Indian secularism, going against Hawala and Dawood will lead to the death of Indian democracy itself. Congress may field some judges and TV reporters to say this.

 

[dray]

The biggest mistake Modi is making is to go soft on these issues, probably to avoid political confrontation.

 

[suryakiran]

The biggest mistake Modi is making is to go soft on these issues, probably to avoid political confrontation.

I am still to find any politician in India, who has a family who would not have black money

 

[Parul]

 

[Bharath]

Left is not united anywhere. Only place where communism was showcased earlier was USSR, its gone now. Now only country left is China, its time will come as well. Currently Venezuela is shining bright as an example of socialistic Communist govt.
It doesn't work. History is witness.

What gives you the infantile notion that the left consists of Communists? Especially given that Communists are cordially detested through most of the left?

No. The product of superficial or non-existent knowledge of the political thought concerned. If you don't know a subject, say so and stay out of it.

pardon me sir. but here is the list of parties in "left front":

• Communist Party of India (Marxist)
• Communist Party of India
• All India Forward Bloc
• Revolutionary Socialist Party
• Revolutionary Communist Party of India
• Bolshevik Party of India
• Marxist Forward Bloc
• Workers Party of India
• Biplobi Bangla Congress
• Democratic Socialist Party (Prabodh Chandra)

Left Front (West Bengal) - Wikipedia

THE Left Front that assumed office for the first time in 1977 comprised six parties. They were: the Communist Party of India (Marxist), the Forward Bloc, the Revolutionary Socialist Party, the Marxist Forward Bloc, the Revolutionary Communist Party of India and the Biplabi Bangla Congress. The Communist Party of India (CPI)

What is the Left Front?

Political scientists and other analysts regard the Left as including anarchists,[16][17] communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats,[18] left-libertarians, progressives and social liberals.[19][20] Movements for racial equality[21] and trade unionism have also been associated with the left.[22]

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

Political “Left” and “Right” Properly Defined - The Objective Standard

 

[Bharath]

The biggest mistake Modi is making is to go soft on these issues, probably to avoid political confrontation.

in my opinion, going after the issue creates:
1) sensationalism and a case of vendetta politics to be used against Modi
2) a way for the Congress to project itself as a victim and garner sympathy

Modi does not really need Sonia or Rahul to be guilty of these charges to beat the congress politically. Besides, Subbu swamy is now in RS - where he can continue his crusade against Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.

 

[bonobashi]

@Bharath

What is the point that you were trying to make? I consider myself a liberal, and consider myself part of the left. Am I to accept the transfer that your Wikipedia source has given me?

As for the earlier compendium of 'left' parties (with one exception, consisting of Marxists), what is that supposed to prove?

If these are the sources, and these are the reasons for your concluding that the left is communists and nothing else, it just goes to show that my deep distrust of the knowledge of political science on display would embarrass an undergraduate.

 

[Bharath]

@bonobashi
thank you for being polite in your replies as always.

What is the point that you were trying to make? I consider myself a liberal, and consider myself part of the left. Am I to accept the transfer that your Wikipedia source has given me?

your contention was: left wing does not mean communism or communist parties. Is this true?

the CPI(M) (Expanded: communist party of India) on its website has a section dedicated to "left view" as in "left wing political view".

please provide your feedback on the above

 

[bonobashi]

@bonobashi
thank you for being polite in your replies as always.



your contention was: left wing does not mean communism or communist parties. Is this true?

No; only to the dull, and you are not dull. After all, you are a technical member of the administration team.

All Communists are left-wing; all left-wing are not Communists. Does that help you?

the CPI(M) (Expanded: communist party of India) on its website has a section dedicated to "left view" as in "left wing political view".

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please provide your feedback on the above

LOL.

I don't see the point. This is a collection of documents by a known doctrinaire party with a known practice of propagandising their analysis. So what if they wrote this? You, or somebody of similar attainments, might write something about what is left-wing and what is right-wing, either as propaganda or as something dimly perceived and not completely understood. Are we supposed to form our views of left-wing and right-wing based on that?

 

[Bharath]

I don't see the point. This is a collection of documents by a known doctrinaire party with a known practice of propagandising their analysis. So what if they wrote this? You, or somebody of similar attainments, might write something about what is left-wing and what is right-wing, either as propaganda or as something dimly perceived and not completely understood. Are we supposed to form our views of left-wing and right-wing based on that?

alright. let me get to the basic question then:
please explain what is left wing from your point of view. maybe we are going around in circles because I based my opinion of left wing on the basis of my readings.

here is from britannica (encyclopaedia)
Socialism is the standard leftist ideology in most countries of the world; communism is a more radical leftist ideology.

Left | ideology