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First, please explain your 'readings'; have you studied political science academically, or is it a personal education?
Second, please let me know - based on your readings - how this nomenclature came into being originally.
Once you have answered these two points, I shall address your Britannica quote.
one does not need to have academic credentials to know such basic concepts. I do not have political science as my subjects - my wife does and we have discussions on such topics.
the term for such
the nomenclature came into being from the french revolution. the left wing at that time was regarded as those who opposed the monarchy. however, by the time we get to the 19th century, socialism, communism were all regarded as left wing.
as per:
Schmidt, Michael; Van der Walt, Lucien (2009). Black Flame: The Revolutionary Class Politics of Anarchism and Syndicalism
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Flame-Revolutionary-Syndicalism-Counter-Power/dp/190485916X
Aparajitha and Preethi are Sanskrit names
Even Karuna nidhi is a Sanskrit name.
He was named Stalin, this reminds me of Pakistanis joking about Pathans,
If a Pathan was sharpening his sword, and suddenly some one informs him. Badhai ho, Khan Saab aapko beta hua hai.
Pathan: - Wah, kya kismat hai, mein talwar tez kar raha tha , beta paida ho gaya, Bacche ka naam Talwar khan hoga.
Now imagine, the same guy if he got news of a sons birth during ablutions. What would he name his son?
My compliments. You will find sufficient food for thought without my contributions.
That is precisely what I wanted to highlight; that you have read in a shallow manner and never got to understand even the basics. Why were the opponents of the monarchy called left-wing?
Were these opponents socialist, or communist?
What, according to you, is the connection between socialism and communism?
explain your definition of "left". I have given examples from
1)the britannica encyclopaedia
2) wiki
3) CPI(M)'s website
4) books written on the topic.
as to why communism is regarded as left wing. give your logic as to why its not.
That shows how little you understand, not of political science, but of simple language. Basic language (not the software language; just elementary language).
I have right at the outset explained what I meant by 'left-wing'. In asking you about the politics of the revolutionaries of France, I added to that. Finally, I have stated clearly that while Communists ARE left-wing, all left-wingers are NOT Communists; it is all on record.
If you still can't find your way around, not my fault.
good. all i said was communists are also left ideologues. and left also includes socialist ideologies. i dunno why you have such difficulty in articulating that. we are actually on the same page.
We are NOT on the same page. The left includes much more than Communists and socialists. I did not notice any difficulty in articulating MY position; I have serious misgivings about considering that we are on the same page.
Please don't take it personally. I can't discuss politics with you, until you get yourself a better, firmer grounding. And that is my last word on this subject. I will not answer you any further; it is a waste of my time.
Again, your difficulty in following English: the left DOES NOT consist of Communists. It contains Communists; it contains many more schools of thought, besides.
No, it was Tatti in pure Urdu it was Paikhana .
Mr,KarunaNidhi was sure impulsive he named his son Stalin rightaway. Maybe, he is the Dravidian Pathan.
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Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots.
Hardik Patel, Jignesh Mevani backed own communities.
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The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots. Soon after, Mevani, Independent MLA from Vadgam, visited Detroj and backed the protesting Dalit families’ demand.
But Patidars, the dominant caste in the village, opposed the plots being allotted to the Dalit families, calling their settlement in the village “encroachment”. Several people from the Patidar community also camped at the mamlatdar office in protest.
Last week, Hardik went to the village and met with the protesters. In a Facebook post, he called the protesting Dalits “anti-social” and “gundas”.
“Amdavad jilla na Gitapur gam na loko ni jamin par amuk asamajik loko e kabjo kari lidho chhe. Gam na loko e varamvaar sarkari tantra ne fariyaad kari parantu sarkari adhikario e dhyan apyu nahi. Aje akhu gam hijrat karine mamlatdar kacheri bahar bethu chhe. Hu tamam parivarone malyo. Ek vaat chokkas kahish ke gunda loko ne koi samaj sathe jodva na joie. (Some anti-socials have encroached upon land of people of Gitapura village in Ahmedabad district. People of Gitapur had repeatedly complained to the government machinery, but officials have not paid attention. Today, the entire village has migrated and assembled outside the mamlatdar office. I have met the families. One thing I will certainly say is that the goons should not be aligned with a community),” Hardik posted on Facebook on January 25
Although the issue of providing residential plots has been resolved for now — Dalit families have been promised that they can convert their agricultural land in Gitapura as non-agricultural to build houses — Hardik’s remarks have not gone down well with Dalit activists. Some of them are now planning to hold protests against Hardik.
“On one hand, he (Hardik) talks about social harmony, and on the other hand he calls protesting Dalits anti-socials and goons. This is not acceptable. We will launch protests against Hardik, seeking his apology for the comments,” said Dalit activist Kirit Rathod, who is from Hardik’s hometown, Viramgam.
Mevani admitted that Hardik’s Facebook remarks will pose a challenge to the “ideological compromise” that he has been propagating to defeat the “fascist forces”. He said, “Yes, it does (pose a challenge). But this is what caste system does, and that is what India is all about. I will speak with Hardik on this issue.”
Mevani also said, “As Hardik met Patidars in Detroj, I had met Dalits. Keeping aside the issue of legitimacy of their demand, Dalits surely have constitutional right to make a demand. Certain anti-social elements of Gitapura were surely harassing them.”
Hardik said his remark about “anti-socials” cannot be equated with a community. “One particular family had encroached upon a piece of land in Gitapura, and people (Patidars) were protesting against it. But the act of one anti-social element cannot be equated with the community.”
On Mevani meeting the protesting Dalits, Hardik said, “They are from his community, so he went to support them. I also met and supported my community people (protesting Patidars).”
Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots.
- Written By Parimal A Dabhi | Gandhinagar |
- Updated: January 31, 2018 5:41 Am
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The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots. Soon after, Mevani, Independent MLA from Vadgam, visited Detroj and backed the protesting Dalit families’ demand.
But Patidars, the dominant caste in the village, opposed the plots being allotted to the Dalit families, calling their settlement in the village “encroachment”. Several people from the Patidar community also camped at the mamlatdar office in protest.
Last week, Hardik went to the village and met with the protesters. In a Facebook post, he called the protesting Dalits “anti-social” and “gundas”.
“Amdavad jilla na Gitapur gam na loko ni jamin par amuk asamajik loko e kabjo kari lidho chhe. Gam na loko e varamvaar sarkari tantra ne fariyaad kari parantu sarkari adhikario e dhyan apyu nahi. Aje akhu gam hijrat karine mamlatdar kacheri bahar bethu chhe. Hu tamam parivarone malyo. Ek vaat chokkas kahish ke gunda loko ne koi samaj sathe jodva na joie. (Some anti-socials have encroached upon land of people of Gitapura village in Ahmedabad district. People of Gitapur had repeatedly complained to the government machinery, but officials have not paid attention. Today, the entire village has migrated and assembled outside the mamlatdar office. I have met the families. One thing I will certainly say is that the goons should not be aligned with a community),” Hardik posted on Facebook on January 25
Although the issue of providing residential plots has been resolved for now — Dalit families have been promised that they can convert their agricultural land in Gitapura as non-agricultural to build houses — Hardik’s remarks have not gone down well with Dalit activists. Some of them are now planning to hold protests against Hardik.
“On one hand, he (Hardik) talks about social harmony, and on the other hand he calls protesting Dalits anti-socials and goons. This is not acceptable. We will launch protests against Hardik, seeking his apology for the comments,” said Dalit activist Kirit Rathod, who is from Hardik’s hometown, Viramgam.
Mevani admitted that Hardik’s Facebook remarks will pose a challenge to the “ideological compromise” that he has been propagating to defeat the “fascist forces”. He said, “Yes, it does (pose a challenge). But this is what caste system does, and that is what India is all about. I will speak with Hardik on this issue.”
Mevani also said, “As Hardik met Patidars in Detroj, I had met Dalits. Keeping aside the issue of legitimacy of their demand, Dalits surely have constitutional right to make a demand. Certain anti-social elements of Gitapura were surely harassing them.”
Hardik said his remark about “anti-socials” cannot be equated with a community. “One particular family had encroached upon a piece of land in Gitapura, and people (Patidars) were protesting against it. But the act of one anti-social element cannot be equated with the community.”
On Mevani meeting the protesting Dalits, Hardik said, “They are from his community, so he went to support them. I also met and supported my community people (protesting Patidars).”
Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots.
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- Written By Parimal A Dabhi | Gandhinagar |
- Updated: January 31, 2018 5:41 Am
Hardik Patel, Jignesh Mevani backed own communities.
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A land dispute case in a village in Detroj taluka of Ahmedabad has thrown up a challenge to the political camaraderie between Dalit leader Jignesh Mevani and Patidar leader Hardik Patel, who have been exhorting opposition parties in the country to unite against the BJP.
- Jignesh Mevani: Make ideological compromise to unite, defeat BJP in Karnataka
- Jaipur Lit fest: Mahatma Gandhi was casteist and racist, says US-based writer Sujatha Gidla
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The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots. Soon after, Mevani, Independent MLA from Vadgam, visited Detroj and backed the protesting Dalit families’ demand.
But Patidars, the dominant caste in the village, opposed the plots being allotted to the Dalit families, calling their settlement in the village “encroachment”. Several people from the Patidar community also camped at the mamlatdar office in protest.
Last week, Hardik went to the village and met with the protesters. In a Facebook post, he called the protesting Dalits “anti-social” and “gundas”.
“Amdavad jilla na Gitapur gam na loko ni jamin par amuk asamajik loko e kabjo kari lidho chhe. Gam na loko e varamvaar sarkari tantra ne fariyaad kari parantu sarkari adhikario e dhyan apyu nahi. Aje akhu gam hijrat karine mamlatdar kacheri bahar bethu chhe. Hu tamam parivarone malyo. Ek vaat chokkas kahish ke gunda loko ne koi samaj sathe jodva na joie. (Some anti-socials have encroached upon land of people of Gitapura village in Ahmedabad district. People of Gitapur had repeatedly complained to the government machinery, but officials have not paid attention. Today, the entire village has migrated and assembled outside the mamlatdar office. I have met the families. One thing I will certainly say is that the goons should not be aligned with a community),” Hardik posted on Facebook on January 25
Although the issue of providing residential plots has been resolved for now — Dalit families have been promised that they can convert their agricultural land in Gitapura as non-agricultural to build houses — Hardik’s remarks have not gone down well with Dalit activists. Some of them are now planning to hold protests against Hardik.
“On one hand, he (Hardik) talks about social harmony, and on the other hand he calls protesting Dalits anti-socials and goons. This is not acceptable. We will launch protests against Hardik, seeking his apology for the comments,” said Dalit activist Kirit Rathod, who is from Hardik’s hometown, Viramgam.
Mevani admitted that Hardik’s Facebook remarks will pose a challenge to the “ideological compromise” that he has been propagating to defeat the “fascist forces”. He said, “Yes, it does (pose a challenge). But this is what caste system does, and that is what India is all about. I will speak with Hardik on this issue.”
Mevani also said, “As Hardik met Patidars in Detroj, I had met Dalits. Keeping aside the issue of legitimacy of their demand, Dalits surely have constitutional right to make a demand. Certain anti-social elements of Gitapura were surely harassing them.”
Hardik said his remark about “anti-socials” cannot be equated with a community. “One particular family had encroached upon a piece of land in Gitapura, and people (Patidars) were protesting against it. But the act of one anti-social element cannot be equated with the community.”
On Mevani meeting the protesting Dalits, Hardik said, “They are from his community, so he went to support them. I also met and supported my community people (protesting Patidars).”
Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
Inevitable. Congress may have barely made it work in this past election due to anti-incumbency/Patel Agitation/Una Beating of Dalits; but Dalits and Patels can never be solid political allies as part of a concrete coalition.
In fact I'd go as far as to say that it's probably the Patels who treat Dalits the worst. And sooner or later this Hardik-Jignesh-Alpesh arrangement is bound to come undone.
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So, Short lived alliance splits already. Wait and watch what happens in 1 Year.Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots.
NEXT
- Written By Parimal A Dabhi | Gandhinagar |
- Updated: January 31, 2018 5:41 Am
Hardik Patel, Jignesh Mevani backed own communities.
RELATED NEWS
A land dispute case in a village in Detroj taluka of Ahmedabad has thrown up a challenge to the political camaraderie between Dalit leader Jignesh Mevani and Patidar leader Hardik Patel, who have been exhorting opposition parties in the country to unite against the BJP.
- Jignesh Mevani: Make ideological compromise to unite, defeat BJP in Karnataka
- Jaipur Lit fest: Mahatma Gandhi was casteist and racist, says US-based writer Sujatha Gidla
- Jignesh Mevani to do a cameo in Tamil movie
The dispute began two weeks ago, after five Dalit families of Gitapura village sat on protest at the office of the mamlatdar in Detroj, seeking residential plots. Soon after, Mevani, Independent MLA from Vadgam, visited Detroj and backed the protesting Dalit families’ demand.
But Patidars, the dominant caste in the village, opposed the plots being allotted to the Dalit families, calling their settlement in the village “encroachment”. Several people from the Patidar community also camped at the mamlatdar office in protest.
Last week, Hardik went to the village and met with the protesters. In a Facebook post, he called the protesting Dalits “anti-social” and “gundas”.
“Amdavad jilla na Gitapur gam na loko ni jamin par amuk asamajik loko e kabjo kari lidho chhe. Gam na loko e varamvaar sarkari tantra ne fariyaad kari parantu sarkari adhikario e dhyan apyu nahi. Aje akhu gam hijrat karine mamlatdar kacheri bahar bethu chhe. Hu tamam parivarone malyo. Ek vaat chokkas kahish ke gunda loko ne koi samaj sathe jodva na joie. (Some anti-socials have encroached upon land of people of Gitapura village in Ahmedabad district. People of Gitapur had repeatedly complained to the government machinery, but officials have not paid attention. Today, the entire village has migrated and assembled outside the mamlatdar office. I have met the families. One thing I will certainly say is that the goons should not be aligned with a community),” Hardik posted on Facebook on January 25
Although the issue of providing residential plots has been resolved for now — Dalit families have been promised that they can convert their agricultural land in Gitapura as non-agricultural to build houses — Hardik’s remarks have not gone down well with Dalit activists. Some of them are now planning to hold protests against Hardik.
“On one hand, he (Hardik) talks about social harmony, and on the other hand he calls protesting Dalits anti-socials and goons. This is not acceptable. We will launch protests against Hardik, seeking his apology for the comments,” said Dalit activist Kirit Rathod, who is from Hardik’s hometown, Viramgam.
Mevani admitted that Hardik’s Facebook remarks will pose a challenge to the “ideological compromise” that he has been propagating to defeat the “fascist forces”. He said, “Yes, it does (pose a challenge). But this is what caste system does, and that is what India is all about. I will speak with Hardik on this issue.”
Mevani also said, “As Hardik met Patidars in Detroj, I had met Dalits. Keeping aside the issue of legitimacy of their demand, Dalits surely have constitutional right to make a demand. Certain anti-social elements of Gitapura were surely harassing them.”
Hardik said his remark about “anti-socials” cannot be equated with a community. “One particular family had encroached upon a piece of land in Gitapura, and people (Patidars) were protesting against it. But the act of one anti-social element cannot be equated with the community.”
On Mevani meeting the protesting Dalits, Hardik said, “They are from his community, so he went to support them. I also met and supported my community people (protesting Patidars).”
Gujarat: Hardik Patel-Jignesh Mevani camaraderie in land dispute test
Actually this caste combination is highly opportunistic besides being contradictory. KHAM was devised to end the monopoly of the Patels in Gujarat by the Congress - I in the 70's. The Patels can't see eye to eye with the Kshatriyas who can't see eye to eye with the Dalits who can't see eye to eye with the Patels .