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Appreciate your take, but respectfully disagree. There is no beating Modi/Shah.

The best evidence of a failing electoral prospect is fleeing partners. Chandrababu Naidu cut his losses and moved out first. Slowly all major players have distanced themselves, including sena by publicly fighting with BJP. These are extremely hardened political players- they won't stand with BJP once the prospects fall. Chandan mitra has fled. So has nitish. The opposition smells victory, so now the question is can they come together to steal victory in an election that can go either ay- they are ready to do that. Meanwhile Mamta wants to give herself a bigger profile and she's doing her favorite tactic of trying to kick up an issue...and the congress is doing their favorite tactic of not making too big a noise around Assam citizen list because they know that most Indians have no issues deporting Bangladeshi illegals and actually support it.
 
There is no meltdown. As I said, BJP is capable of upping the ante to any level which congress can't match. Even Bringing Priyanka will not help. BJP has so many cards under its sleeves which it uses on the policy of "one more than the enemey".

That is why the BJP ends up with meltdowns....Indians like to talk about revolutions but have no stomach for a real one. BJP spends so much time convincing itself it's smart...it's a pretty dumb party actually. The biggest failing of BJP is its insistance that it wants to come to power through social engineering. The biggest advantage of congress is that just wants to come to power...means are usually irrelevant.
 
The best evidence of a failing electoral prospect is fleeing partners. Chandrababu Naidu cut his losses and moved out first. Slowly all major players have distanced themselves, including sena by publicly fighting with BJP. These are extremely hardened political players- they won't stand with BJP once the prospects fall. Chandan mitra has fled. So has nitish. The opposition smells victory, so now the question is can they come together to steal victory in an election that can go either ay- they are ready to do that. Meanwhile Mamta wants to give herself a bigger profile and she's doing her favorite tactic of trying to kick up an issue...and the congress is doing their favorite tactic of not making too big a noise around Assam citizen list because they know that most Indians have no issues deporting Bangladeshi illegals and actually support it.
This my dear is not evidence, this is your interpretation of conjecture.
> Chandrababu naidu supposedly quit due to his issues with the state being given special privilieges> if it was for electoral gain distancing itself from BJP, that implies that he is oppurtunist pig, i am sure you are not implying such.

>Sena's issue is with it's own collapse and inability to transition from major to minor power in Maharashtra.

> Chandan Mitra fleeing if is an indicator, then by the same example, what would you say about former congress UP chief Rita Bahuguna; Former Congress Hemanta Biswa Sarma and many other doing the exact opposite.

> Nitish a prominent name in the opposition unity > went back to BJP coalition,

> Mamata, is barely a factor, everyone ... everyone outside Bengal HATES her, and irrespective of what she says now, she fosters incredible hatred for congress too. Remember Bengal was a Congress vs Communist fight, Mamata is the reason congress vanished from bengal. Along with decimating the commies, she also deccimated the psuedo-commies that she initially belonged to.

Lastly however you spin it, people of India will see it as a Modi vs Rahul Gandhi fight, he just doesn't stack up. He wouldn't even will a college election in DU if he tried. He doesn't even have the courage to fight from contested seat, even his LS seat is a family seat. If you subtract the surname from Rahul Gandhi, all you are left with is a bumbling idiot incapable of framing a single coherent sentence. I wouldn't wish upon such a leader on my worst enemy.
 
This my dear is not evidence, this is your interpretation of conjecture.
> Chandrababu naidu supposedly quit due to his issues with the state being given special privilieges> if it was for electoral gain distancing itself from BJP, that implies that he is oppurtunist pig, i am sure you are not implying such.

>Sena's issue is with it's own collapse and inability to transition from major to minor power in Maharashtra.

so long as it controls bombay it will remain a potent power

> Chandan Mitra fleeing if is an indicator, then by the same example, what would you say about former congress UP chief Rita Bahuguna; Former Congress Hemanta Biswa Sarma and many other doing the exact opposite.

> Nitish a prominent name in the opposition unity > went back to BJP coalition,

> Mamata, is barely a factor, everyone ... everyone outside Bengal HATES her, and irrespective of what she says now, she fosters incredible hatred for congress too. Remember Bengal was a Congress vs Communist fight, Mamata is the reason congress vanished from bengal. Along with decimating the commies, she also deccimated the psuedo-commies that she initially belonged to.

Lastly however you spin it, people of India will see it as a Modi vs Rahul Gandhi fight, he just doesn't stack up. He wouldn't even will a college election in DU if he tried. He doesn't even have the courage to fight from contested seat, even his LS seat is a family seat. If you subtract the surname from Rahul Gandhi, all you are left with is a bumbling idiot incapable of framing a single coherent sentence. I wouldn't wish upon such a leader on my worst enemy.

This my dear is not evidence, this is your interpretation of conjecture.
> Chandrababu naidu supposedly quit due to his issues with the state being given special privilieges> if it was for electoral gain distancing itself from BJP, that implies that he is oppurtunist pig, i am sure you are not implying such.
:LOL::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::LOL::LOL:. And I'm most definitely am implying he cut BJP because they became liability
>Sena's issue is with it's own collapse and inability to transition from major to minor power in Maharashtra.

> Chandan Mitra fleeing if is an indicator, then by the same example, what would you say about former congress UP chief Rita Bahuguna; Former Congress Hemanta Biswa Sarma and many other doing the exact opposite.

The exact moment he decided to leave BJP



> Nitish a prominent name in the opposition unity > went back to BJP coalition,

Barely
> Mamata, is barely a factor, everyone ... everyone outside Bengal HATES her, and irrespective of what she says now, she fosters incredible hatred for congress too. Remember Bengal was a Congress vs Communist fight, Mamata is the reason congress vanished from bengal. Along with decimating the commies, she also deccimated the psuedo-commies that she initially belonged to.

Mamta is a moron. She will never be PM but it won't stop her from trying

Lastly however you spin it, people of India will see it as a Modi vs Rahul Gandhi fight, he just doesn't stack up. He wouldn't even will a college election in DU if he tried. He doesn't even have the courage to fight from contested seat, even his LS seat is a family seat. If you subtract the surname from Rahul Gandhi, all you are left with is a bumbling idiot incapable of framing a single coherent sentence. I wouldn't wish upon such a leader on my worst enemy

RG is no longer considered a bumblig idiot. More importantly people are convinced that bumbling idiot is te sort of thing people expect modi to call him. That is the shift. Pot calling the kettle black.
 
RG is no longer considered a bumblig idiot. More importantly people are convinced that bumbling idiot is te sort of thing people expect modi to call him. That is the shift. Pot calling the kettle black.
I don't care much of who wins or who doesn't.
And am neither representing the people. My views are my own, and my view is Rahul Gandhi is a effin idiot, I wouldn't say the same about any other prominent congress leader. there is no pot calling anything. Modi and Rahul are not even on the same plane when it comes to intellect, comprehension, and articulation. To me there is no fight in a Modi vs Rahul equation.

Now when it comes to coalition nonsense. I won't comment. If indian electorate is dumb enough to accept an imbeccile like devegowda, there is not much to trust there. My preference would definitely be Modi with BJP repeating a single majority rather than hodgepodge coalition.
 
Fleeing partners are also sign of BJP eating up their spaces and becoming strong in itself resulting in lesser respect shown to smaller allies.
Example - Shiv Sena in Maharashtra

Are you suggesting that chandrbabu naidu fleeing is evidence of bjp toppiling him in andhra? If bjp was going to win the same victory as 2014 they would not have left period. If they had a reasonable chance of victory then also they would have remained. It is not only losses but now a burdensome image of being a part of this coalition that is driving them.
 
Your next claim > irrespective of any unforeseen ramifications, if such an activity took place and the current dispensation is actively covering such treason, it is collusion (and I would highly suggest to look up the meaning). You are quite entitled to all of your tin foil hat theories, but just because you are peddling, doesn't mean we have to gobble, right?
How exactly is "ramifications" irrelevant? From when did your whims and fancies became rules? Ramifications matter the most as world does not work with some entities in isolation. Your fantasies of saying ramifications are irrelevant is beyond reason. Results justify the means. The world does not work on your rules but on rules on nature and psychology. The right thing to do is follow those rules of nature rather than your own rules and get results. The actions of the past is done and there is no undoing it. It can only be amended by corrective action, not knee-jerk reaction.
 
How exactly is "ramifications" irrelevant? From when did your whims and fancies became rules? Ramifications matter the most as world does not work with some entities in isolation. Your fantasies of saying ramifications are irrelevant is beyond reason. Results justify the means. The world does not work on your rules but on rules on nature and psychology. The right thing to do is follow those rules of nature rather than your own rules and get results. The actions of the past is done and there is no undoing it. It can only be amended by corrective action, not knee-jerk reaction.
First: Wrong thread where you picked the post from. Next I am not responsible for your comprehension issues or rather lack of it. You have been blowing hot gas over some tin foil hat theory of CIA - sponsored UPA, and NDA's active coverup. The burden of proof is on you, How about you make some actual-factual arguments instead of trademark- Planet Pakistani style - CIA saazish, RAW Saazish syndrome.

You are peddling a theory about previous dispensation, and then when questioned I am guessing your preferred choice of dispensation now is too becomes complicit of the debauchery you accuse the opposition of, thus you run pillar to post, god to s400 to place such treason beyond the realm of culpability. This my dear is a futile exercise, all conspiracy theory buffs are fun to play with, and that what I am doing here, so do not take offence, calm down and realize nothing I have posted is based on fantasy, psychology, whims, fancy, or illuminati, its simple legislative provisions for treason (that you claim without a single shred of evidence). tc
 
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First: Wrong thread where you picked the post from. Next I am not responsible for your comprehension issues or rather lack of it. You have been blowing hot gas over some tin foil hat theory of CIA - sponsored UPA, and NDA's active coverup. The burden of proof is on you, How about you make some actual-factual arguments instead of trademark- Planet Pakistani style - CIA saazish, RAW Saazish syndrome.

You are peddling a theory about previous dispensation, and then when questioned I am guessing your preferred choice of dispensation now is too becomes complicit of the debauchery you accuse the opposition of, thus you run pillar to post, god to s400 to place such treason beyond the realm of culpability. This my dear is a futile exercise, all conspiracy theory buffs are fun to play with, and that what I am doing here, so do not take offence, calm down and realize nothing I have posted is based on fantasy, psychology, whims, fancy, or illuminati, its simple legislative provisions for treason (that you claim without a single shred of evidence). tc

I'm not posting this for you, you are a troll, this is for the people who might be misinformed reading your posts.

UPA was helped by US to take revenge on NDA for doing nuke tests. UPA was always doing treasonous things throughout, all Indians know it, and have the proof for it also, but because the unelected tyrant of a supreme court is filled with their stooges and opportunists with questionable moral background and their past verdicts, no one believes they will take up such a huge task as convicting the UPA (which itself is a British created party filed with British brainwashed opportunists and criminals; it is not an accident that not a single person from India was jailed for serving the British post them being thrown out), so no one even bothers to try to prove it in a court. Unelected bodies have the advantage of having legitimacy in the public eye who is ignorant of how they can protect their own self interest yet portray it like they are protecting public interest. The members of the court are mostly members of the Lutyans mafia as have been recently exposed to even the public including questioning the chief judge, Harish Salve, who didn't play by their rules, despite being the leader of the group. Te only reason that UPA has not been convicted yet is because of their influence within the govt beauracrasy and legal system and not because they have not done treason. But I promise they will all be tried in time.
 
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First: Wrong thread where you picked the post from. Next I am not responsible for your comprehension issues or rather lack of it. You have been blowing hot gas over some tin foil hat theory of CIA - sponsored UPA, and NDA's active coverup. The burden of proof is on you, How about you make some actual-factual arguments instead of trademark- Planet Pakistani style - CIA saazish, RAW Saazish syndrome.

You are peddling a theory about previous dispensation, and then when questioned I am guessing your preferred choice of dispensation now is too becomes complicit of the debauchery you accuse the opposition of, thus you run pillar to post, god to s400 to place such treason beyond the realm of culpability. This my dear is a futile exercise, all conspiracy theory buffs are fun to play with, and that what I am doing here, so do not take offence, calm down and realize nothing I have posted is based on fantasy, psychology, whims, fancy, or illuminati, its simple legislative provisions for treason (that you claim without a single shred of evidence). tc
What you are posting is parroting of whimsical legislation, not reason. You are unable to handle reason and resort to simply repeating mainstream thought. You refuse to answer questions, refuse to give roadmap for alternative path but simply insist that I am wrong.

I am the one who has made factual arguments. Sabotage of defence and unwarranted restrictions on manufacturing is factually correct. Your problem is that you refuse to give reason for sabotage but outright reject any explanation given despite circumstantial evidence being present. First give reason for kaveri engine fund cuts as a starter. Then blabber. Simply stating that there was no foreign involvement without rebuttal to my argument make no sense
 
First: Wrong thread where you picked the post from. Next I am not responsible for your comprehension issues or rather lack of it. You have been blowing hot gas over some tin foil hat theory of CIA - sponsored UPA, and NDA's active coverup. The burden of proof is on you, How about you make some actual-factual arguments instead of trademark- Planet Pakistani style - CIA saazish, RAW Saazish syndrome.
First of all, neither am I responsible for lack of comprehension of issues from your side. I have been making factual statements all along and also giving the proof of sabotage, especially in defence and manufacturing. Yet, you are saying that I am not factual?

Since when did fiunding 100-200 crore for a critical project like Kaveri over 5-6 years become a normal thing? This is factual proof for sabotage.

The next fact is that Astra missile was under ground testing for 11 years! Which country tests AAM missile from ground for that long?

The next fact is that Tejas was not developed and there was fund cuts. By 2014, Tejas had no engine, radar, EX, ejection seat, avionics etc. Absolutely nothing moved in Tejas. Is this normal?

Is groundig of SARAS plane without initiating an alternative normal?

Is first scorpene submarine being launched after 11 years of contract signing normal?

Despite all these proof given by me, it is not burden of proof? Do you have some serious fantasy wet dreams that you come up with fantastic explanations for these? Is the argument - the current dispensation not punishing the agents - a valid reason to justify that there was no sabotage? You don't even tell what action can any one take when the agents are protected by foreign masters who have control over vast reserves of petroleum? Do you expect superhero action or do you simply have mental issues?

You are peddling a theory about previous dispensation, and then when questioned I am guessing your preferred choice of dispensation now is too becomes complicit of the debauchery you accuse the opposition of, thus you run pillar to post, god to s400 to place such treason beyond the realm of culpability. This my dear is a futile exercise, all conspiracy theory buffs are fun to play with, and that what I am doing here, so do not take offence, calm down and realize nothing I have posted is based on fantasy, psychology, whims, fancy, or illuminati, its simple legislative provisions for treason (that you claim without a single shred of evidence). tc

I am quite calm here but you don't seem to be. Laws can be overruled to suit practicality and reason. Laws are not truth but just guidelines and not absolute. Only thing one must not overrule is reason and logic which you seem to be seriously lacking. Legislation does not tell how to act against foreign entities either. Writing shit on piece of paper does not make the world function accordingly. No matter how much evidence I give, you will simply insist about lack of evidence. Until you get answers to the sample 5 questions I posed above (they are not exhaustive), don't rant that I am not giving evidence.

Who is running pillar to post? Who ran to S400 in this topic? S400 came in the topic of NASAMS and XRSAM, not in the political context. If you lack the basic comprehension skills, it is not my fault. You simply have low IQ and it is not worth responding to you. About god, yes, I did go to that and that is because the rules of the world are made by god, not legislation.
 
First of all, neither am I responsible for lack of comprehension of issues from your side. I have been making factual statements all along and also giving the proof of sabotage, especially in defence and manufacturing. Yet, you are saying that I am not factual?
You are not, if there was a shred of evidence of treason, a simple PIL would have dragged guilty parties to court.


Since when did fiunding 100-200 crore for a critical project like Kaveri over 5-6 years become a normal thing? This is factual proof for sabotage.
When did CAG issue inadequate funding as an issue for Kaveri, why weren't there funding issues for other strategic projects?

The next fact is that Astra missile was under ground testing for 11 years! Which country tests AAM missile from ground for that long?
And Nag has been in testing for more than two decades? Brahmos, Sagaraki, Shaurya, Agni Series, K4, all were sucessful programs, was UPA indulging in selective, Sabotage? or was it Diet Sabotage.

The next fact is that Tejas was not developed and there was fund cuts. By 2014, Tejas had no engine, radar, EX, ejection seat, avionics etc. Absolutely nothing moved in Tejas. Is this normal?
No that's not normal, its just more bull shit you are peddling.

Is groundig of SARAS plane without initiating an alternative normal?
Absolutely, that system was not needed and NAL made a horrible design killing the entire crew of the aircraft. Even today Saras is not a priority project.

Is first scorpene submarine being launched after 11 years of contract signing normal?
It definately was a delay that impinges on National security, but that does not imply it was a CIA conspiracy.

Despite all these proof given by me, it is not burden of proof? Do you have some serious fantasy wet dreams that you come up with fantastic explanations for these? Is the argument - the current dispensation not punishing the agents - a valid reason to justify that there was no sabotage? You don't even tell what action can any one take when the agents are protected by foreign masters who have control over vast reserves of petroleum? Do you expect superhero action or do you simply have mental issues?
LOL, how about this, take these evidences to a lower court, and file a PIL, witness the epic embarrassment. Post a video of the interaction if you can.


I am quite calm here but you don't seem to be. Laws can be overruled to suit practicality and reason. Laws are not truth but just guidelines and not absolute. Only thing one must not overrule is reason and logic which you seem to be seriously lacking. Legislation does not tell how to act against foreign entities either. Writing shit on piece of paper does not make the world function accordingly. No matter how much evidence I give, you will simply insist about lack of evidence. Until you get answers to the sample 5 questions I posed above (they are not exhaustive), don't rant that I am not giving evidence.

Who is running pillar to post? Who ran to S400 in this topic? S400 came in the topic of NASAMS and XRSAM, not in the political context. If you lack the basic comprehension skills, it is not my fault. You simply have low IQ and it is not worth responding to you. About god, yes, I did go to that and that is because the rules of the world are made by god, not legislation.

First thing, I am an athiest, I dont give a crap about your or anyone-else's god. Now the next sentences read slowly to get it through your thick skull:
You Claim Treason By UPA
You Also Claim Cover up by NDA.

Your proofs are delays in projects. Incompetence by MoD and PSU's is not proof of CIA's Manipulation.
Neither is NGO funding a proof of UPA's subversion of Indian Electorate Twice.... Repeat these sentence about 10 times. If still in doubt go to a lawyer and ask him definition of admissible evidence.
 
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