Indian Political Discussion

[pachawry]

ou are not, if there was a shred of evidence of treason, a simple PIL would have dragged guilty parties to court.

Don't bring in nonsense here. PIL for Viraat was not answered for example. Also, what PIL will you put? What is the objective here? The same PIL can be filed for various policy paralysis, environmental clearance, delays in clearing manufacturing projects etc.

When did CAG issue inadequate funding as an issue for Kaveri, why weren't there funding issues for other strategic projects?

When did CAG issue any reason at all? CAG only said that there is a deficit, not about reason.

And Nag has been in testing for more than two decades? Brahmos, Sagaraki, Shaurya, Agni Series, K4, all were sucessful programs, was UPA indulging in selective, Sabotage? or was it Diet Sabotage.

Brahmos was made in 1998 and ready by 2003. Agni 3 was also made in NDA time. Only AGni-5 and K15 was developed which was nothing great. Agni-3 itself had 3500-5000km range. So, Agni-5 was an ICBM but not fantastic in nature. K4 was not made during UPA. Shaurya, Sagarika and K15 are the same and again was just 700km missile which is not a new technology. Making deign change is different from getting newer technology.

NAG was started before 2005 and the order of 443 missiles were not produced/ NAG seeker is made in India now but was imported earlier. What is the point of developing a missile with imported seekers? Is it development at all?

Where is selective sabotage here? Saying projects started during NDA time and continued till about 2006-7 (when Pranab Mukherjee was replaced by Antony) as done by UPA is absurd.

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No that's not normal, its just more bull shit you are peddling.

When you can't answer my question, it becomes bullshit. Isn't it?

Absolutely, that system was not needed and NAL made a horrible design killing the entire crew of the aircraft. Even today Saras is not a priority project.

SARAS was a trial for bigger transport aircraft. SARAS itself was not needed but it is needed to develop into a big aircraft. So, unless an alternative is given, project can't be grounded. Just because there was a crash does not mean the aircraft itself is not needed. Do you expect military to transport goods by railway during emergency?

It definately was a delay that impinges on National security, but that does not imply it was a CIA conspiracy.

No one can prove that it was CIA sabaotage. It is only a guess considering the source of NGO funding. Unless one can investigate into USA< it is impossible to say taht. However, the sabotage is real.

LOL, how about this, take these evidences to a lower court, and file a PIL, witness the epic embarrassment. Post a video of the interaction if you can.

What PIL should I file? Sabotage? For that I have to first get RTI for definitive proof of funding of projects as media statement will not cut it. The reason for delays have to be first asked before making any further accusation and one has to indulge in lot of procedures to come to this. I have no reason to waste my time with courts. We are all seeing how an obvious case for Article 35A which was issued by presidential order is being delayed. How National Herald case which is quite silly is being delayed. Do you think the PIL will get resolved quickly?

First thing, I am an athiest, I dont give a crap about your or anyone-else's god. Now the next sentences read slowly to get it through your thick skull:
You Claim Treason By UPA
You Also Claim Cover up by NDA.

Your proofs are delays in projects. Incompetence by MoD and PSU's is not proof of CIA's Manipulation.
Neither is NGO funding a proof of UPA's subversion of Indian Electorate Twice.... Repeat these sentence about 10 times. If still in doubt go to a lawyer and ask him definition of admissible evidence.

Incompetence is not proof of foreign involvement. Neither is NGO funding any proof. But the reason for delaying and sanctioning minimal funds for critical project is definitively a proof of sabotage. Incompetence does not come here as the MoD is not scientists who are doing the research. Not sanctioning funds for critical security needs itself comes under sabotage, regardless of the hands of foreign agency. The MoD did not do a mistake as there were requests for funds several times and it was not given.

 

[Milspec]

Don't bring in nonsense here. PIL for Viraat was not answered for example. Also, what PIL will you put? What is the objective here? The same PIL can be filed for various policy paralysis, environmental clearance, delays in clearing manufacturing projects etc.

I won't put a PIL, I am not the one wearing a tin foil hat here.

When did CAG issue any reason at all? CAG only said that there is a deficit, not about reason.

And did CAG point towards a funding deficit?

Brahmos was made in 1998 and ready by 2003. Agni 3 was also made in NDA time. Only AGni-5 and K15 was developed which was nothing great. Agni-3 itself had 3500-5000km range. So, Agni-5 was an ICBM but not fantastic in nature. K4 was not made during UPA. Shaurya, Sagarika and K15 are the same and again was just 700km missile which is not a new technology. Making deign change is different from getting newer technology.

So CIA did not want to sabotage ICBM's, SLBM, but sabotaged a AAM, so we could buy similar AAM's from EU, Israel and Russia. Wah Chaturlingam Wah. If anything Astra development started in 2004.

NAG was started before 2005 and the order of 443 missiles were not produced/ NAG seeker is made in India now but was imported earlier. What is the point of developing a missile with imported seekers? Is it development at all?

And that is CIA saazish?

Where is selective sabotage here? Saying projects started during NDA time and continued till about 2006-7 (when Pranab Mukherjee was replaced by Antony) as done by UPA is absurd.

No it's quite clear, its selective comprehension, Successful SLBM, ICBM, no big deal, delays in AAM > CIA Saazish - Sounds absolutely legit. Lead the charge, put all guilty parties behind bars.

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When you can't answer my question, it becomes bullshit. Isn't it?

Whats the point, across the UPA's time everything from LGU, LRU, to NLCA approvals happened, to arrangement of Elbit radar, to uprating to 414 happened. But given your selective comprehension, how does an answer make any difference?

SARAS was a trial for bigger transport aircraft. SARAS itself was not needed but it is needed to develop into a big aircraft. So, unless an alternative is given, project can't be grounded. Just because there was a crash does not mean the aircraft itself is not needed. Do you expect military to transport goods by railway during emergency?

This is the reason I don't want to answer Bullshit, Saras was never a trial for any bigger transport. We have had multiple meets with CSIR-NAL, it was meant to be what it was, not a stepping stone to something bigger. PT1 took to flight from our Bangalore airport in 2004 and I was still in HAL back then. Niether HAL nor NAL has ever envisioned Saras to become a 747 one day.

No one can prove that it was CIA sabaotage. It is only a guess considering the source of NGO funding. Unless one can investigate into USA< it is impossible to say taht. However, the sabotage is real.

Highlighted is the true definition of Bull Shit.

What PIL should I file? Sabotage? For that I have to first get RTI for definitive proof of funding of projects as media statement will not cut it. The reason for delays have to be first asked before making any further accusation and one has to indulge in lot of procedures to come to this. I have no reason to waste my time with courts. We are all seeing how an obvious case for Article 35A which was issued by presidential order is being delayed. How National Herald case which is quite silly is being delayed. Do you think the PIL will get resolved quickly?

Take your evidence, and go file a charge of treason on Manmohan singh, and Coverup of treason on Modi. Go talk to a lawyer.

Incompetence is not proof of foreign involvement. Neither is NGO funding any proof. But the reason for delaying and sanctioning minimal funds for critical project is definitively a proof of sabotage.

No its not. It is fu(king incompetence. Given you are hurling expletives at me, lets assume I am incompetent at expressing my view. That means I am incompetent, it doesn't mean that google chrome is conspiring with CIA to make my arguments incompetent. Incompetence is incompetence.

Incompetence does not come here as the MoD is not scientists who are doing the research. Not sanctioning funds for critical security needs itself comes under sabotage, regardless of the hands of foreign agency. The MoD did not do a mistake as there were requests for funds several times and it was not given.

On contrary My view ( @randomradio) MoD is filled with incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats. And to address the gaping hole in your argument if UPA was a treasonous CIA pawn, why would they install Bureaucrats and Ministers in MOD who would request funding to FM begin with.

 

[RATHORE]

RSS Has Mixed Take on Modi Govt, Feels PM Hasn’t Done Enough on Job Creation: Walter Anderson

RSS would be very stupid if they don't back BJP to the hilt at such a critical juncture. If they sit this one out, or "half-a*s" it, then they will fully deserve an anti-Hindu coalition Government that persecutes them with false cases and creates an imaginary "Hindu terror" narrative while helping along the long term demographic change of India and turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism.

 

[RATHORE]

Maharashtra civic poll results: BJP wins in Sangli and Jalgaon; Narendra Modi, Amit Shah thank people for 'continued faith' - Firstpost

I read about these results; is this indicative of what may happen in LS and State polls (in spite of a tacit Congress-NCP-Shiv Sena understanding and problems like the Maratha stir/Maratha-Dalit clashes etc)? Or is it too early and too small/unique of a sample to extrapolate and make predictions?

 

[_Anonymous_]

I read about these results; is this indicative of what may happen in LS and State polls (in spite of a tacit Congress-NCP-Shiv Sena understanding and problems like the Maratha stir/Maratha-Dalit clashes etc)? Or is it too early and too small/unique of a sample to extrapolate and make predictions?

I wouldn't be too optimistic nor pessimistic. These are local elections . Different factors at play here . Plus huge anti incumbency . Please don't forget that either municipal councils were run for a long term by an SS affiliate ( Jalgaon) & the Congress / NCP ( alternatively in Sangli) .
But it's definitely a shot in the arm for Phadnavis and the BJP . Put another way , had he lost , opposition to him both inside the party and outside of it would've become shriller & sharper .

 

[_Anonymous_]

RSS would be very stupid if they don't back BJP to the hilt at such a critical juncture. If they sit this one out, or "half-a*s" it, then they will fully deserve an anti-Hindu coalition Government that persecutes them with false cases and creates an imaginary "Hindu terror" narrative while helping along the long term demographic change of India and turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism.

Mustn't believe all you read.

 

[_Anonymous_]

At Top Congress Meet, Rahul Gandhi Fixes Strategy To Hit PM Modi, BJP

 

[pachawry]

I won't put a PIL, I am not the one wearing a tin foil hat here.

First put a PIL on Lal Bahadur Shastri's postmortem. Then we will see what PIL is about! Stop asking for PIL when that itself makes no sense. Also, Nehru had openly said that India does not need army but police are enough. Even he is accused of sabotage.

In India, not releasing funds is not illegal or criminal. That is unfortunate reality. Executive can decide whether Indian security can be compromised or not! Courts don't work in these area as the investigation of security related breach is not handled by courts. If you can first get Lal Bahadur Shastri's post mortem, I will go and file PIL. Till then you can put a finger in your *censored* and refrain from mentioning court ever again

And did CAG point towards a funding deficit?

CAG did nott point to any reason. You are repeating the same question. CAG did not specify the reason at all. So, CAG did not specifically exclude funding deficit

So CIA did not want to sabotage ICBM's, SLBM, but sabotaged a AAM, so we could buy similar AAM's from EU, Israel and Russia. Wah Chaturlingam Wah. If anything Astra development started in 2004.

India already had ICBM. There was no way they could undo that. So, what did you expect? AAM is something India did not have. Sabotage works by denying new technology. Where was new technology here? Also, AAM can be bought from everyone and so can planes. But does that make one self sufficient? Try buying 50000 AAMs from anyone and you will understand. Foreign orders are always in small number which is not enough to use in war.

Also, Astra was ground tested in 2003 for the first time. How can Astra development start in 2004 in such cases? Do you have mental problem that you think backwards in time?

And that is CIA saazish?

CIA saazish? Is that supposed to be funny? NAG missile was not developed as the most important part - seekers were imports. Entire defence was handled by congress high command insiders and NAG was also subjected to unwarranted delays.

No it's quite clear, its selective comprehension, Successful SLBM, ICBM, no big deal, delays in AAM > CIA Saazish - Sounds absolutely legit. Lead the charge, put all guilty parties behind bars.

ICBM, SLBM were available technology even when NDA left. UPA can't undo the past. Acting like a mentally unsound person trying to think backwards in time does not hold water. What new technology is to be acquired, only that can be sabotaged.

Whats the point, across the UPA's time everything from LGU, LRU, to NLCA approvals happened, to arrangement of Elbit radar, to uprating to 414 happened. But given your selective comprehension, how does an answer make any difference?

Uprating of F414 and Elbit radar was done by India? DO you have mental problems? I am speaking of technology acquisition and you are speaking some random things.

ALso, LCA MK2 also was approved along with NLCA. The problem here is none of these projects moved forwards. I don't understand what LGU or LRU in this context stands for.

This is the reason I don't want to answer Bullshit, Saras was never a trial for any bigger transport. We have had multiple meets with CSIR-NAL, it was meant to be what it was, not a stepping stone to something bigger. PT1 took to flight from our Bangalore airport in 2004 and I was still in HAL back then. Niether HAL nor NAL has ever envisioned Saras to become a 747 one day

So, Saras was a useless project without any vision to the future? You wanted India to directly make 100 seater plane and take such huge risks of cost? How else could one make a bigger plane from scratch? No one can make a design like SARAS into Boeing 747. SARAS was to gain experience and to get a better understanding of things. You are simply assuming that SARAS was some funny business?

Take your evidence, and go file a charge of treason on Manmohan singh, and Coverup of treason on Modi. Go talk to a lawyer.

The same can be said about Indira Gandhi and not releasing of Post mortem of Lal Bahadur Shastri. Going to court is a waste of time. Courts don't work on supernatural dimension to give justice. If you have mental problems and have faith in courts, you can go there. I don't have faith in courts itself

No its not. It is fu(king incompetence. Given you are hurling expletives at me, lets assume I am incompetent at expressing my view. That means I am incompetent, it doesn't mean that google chrome is conspiring with CIA to make my arguments incompetent. Incompetence is incompetence.

Incompetence in terms of what? Signing checkbook needs competence? The scientists were doing their job and it is their competence that matters. This is called dereliction of duty and since it is related to security, it is sabotage

On contrary My view ( @randomradio) MoD is filled with incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats. And to address the gaping hole in your argument if UPA was a treasonous CIA pawn, why would they install Bureaucrats and Ministers in MOD who would request funding to FM begin with.

No matter how corrupt bureaucrats are, there is no reason to not sign checks or documents to fun defence projects. Also, corruption in high security areas is called sabotage. Dereliction of duty intentionally is also sabotage.

The only thing I can't prove is the involvement of CIA as spy agencies don't leave behind a direct trail. However, despite me not being ab;e to find the main agent, I am still able to claim sabotage due to willful dereliction of duty done which caused great national security threat.

 

[Milspec]

First put a PIL on Lal Bahadur Shastri's postmortem. Then we will see what PIL is about! Stop asking for PIL when that itself makes no sense. Also, Nehru had openly said that India does not need army but police are enough. Even he is accused of sabotage.

Having an opinion is sabotage, did Nehru decomission the Army? Last I checked India was still a democracy.

In India, not releasing funds is not illegal or criminal.

If the action is at behest of a foreign agency to sabotage national security it is criminal.

That is unfortunate reality. Executive can decide whether Indian security can be compromised or not! Courts don't work in these area as the investigation of security related breach is not handled by courts. If you can first get Lal Bahadur Shastri's post mortem, I will go and file PIL. Till then you can put a finger in your *censored* and refrain from mentioning court ever again

As I said, I have nothing to do with conspiracy theories, I do not care about any of them. You claim conspiracy, as laugh it off as BS.

CAG did nott point to any reason. You are repeating the same question. CAG did not specify the reason at all. So, CAG did not specifically exclude funding deficit

No it just points to the fact that you know $hit about the findings. Here is an excerpt straight from CAG's conclusion of 2015 placing the blame squarely on MoD.

"Delays in identification/replacement/ addition of weapons by IAF and their integration as per IAF requirement to make the LCA contemporary also added to the delays. In addition, there have been delays in completion of work packages by various work centres, which indicated ineffective monitoring of the project by MoD."
https://cag.gov.in/sites/default/fi...e_Light_Combat Aircraft_17_2015_chapter_8.pdf

India already had ICBM. There was no way they could undo that. So, what did you expect? AAM is something India did not have. Sabotage works by denying new technology. Where was new technology here? Also, AAM can be bought from everyone and so can planes. But does that make one self sufficient? Try buying 50000 AAMs from anyone and you will understand. Foreign orders are always in small number which is not enough to use in war.

India had operational SLBM's and SLBM inducted in NDA regime? cmon man stop bsing now. Agni 3's first launch was in 2006 iirc and SLBM in form of B05 became operation after that even though there wasn't a SSBN to launch it from untill Arihant.

Also, Astra was ground tested in 2003 for the first time. How can Astra development start in 2004 in such cases? Do you have mental problem that you think backwards in time?

Sorry about missing the date.

CIA saazish? Is that supposed to be funny? NAG missile was not developed as the most important part - seekers were imports. Entire defence was handled by congress high command insiders and NAG was also subjected to unwarranted delays.

Ofcourse it is meant to be funny, what do you think last how many ever posts are. They are just funny. @randomradio, I was just pissed about delays on the other thread this one is claiming cia -saazish.

ICBM, SLBM were available technology even when NDA left. UPA can't undo the past. Acting like a mentally unsound person trying to think backwards in time does not hold water. What new technology is to be acquired, only that can be sabotaged.

SLBM were available, lol, where did you test them from,

Uprating of F414 and Elbit radar was done by India? DO you have mental problems? I am speaking of technology acquisition and you are speaking some random things.

ALso, LCA MK2 also was approved along with NLCA. The problem here is none of these projects moved forwards. I don't understand what LGU or LRU in this context stands for.

You wont, don't bother wither.

So, Saras was a useless project without any vision to the future? You wanted India to directly make 100 seater plane and take such huge risks of cost? How else could one make a bigger plane from scratch? No one can make a design like SARAS into Boeing 747. SARAS was to gain experience and to get a better understanding of things. You are simply assuming that SARAS was some funny business?

How about leave engineering to engineers, If we want to develop a 100 seater or 300 seater, we can do our own work. We do not need lecture of NPD. HAL has had a MRTA program in the works for long not contingent upon NAL or ADA. We have been manufacturing Avro748 for ages and we know what we are doing unlike the dumbfucks at MoD.

Going to court is a waste of time. Courts don't work on supernatural dimension to give justice.

Should it, ROFL.

Incompetence in terms of what? Signing checkbook needs competence? The scientists were doing their job and it is their competence that matters. This is called dereliction of duty and since it is related to security, it is sabotage

It's not signing cheque books, before spreading your verbal diarrhea, go an talk to someone in MoD and ask them reasons for projects moving at snails pace. Every project passed by any civil servant out of due diligence is targeted the by either IB or CBI and roasted for decades, thus bureaucrats have stopped taken any initiative to pass any file. You are talking about MoD, this is not grocery shop, that their duty is just to sign cheques.

Also, corruption in high security areas is called sabotage. Dereliction of duty intentionally is also sabotage.

Dude you need to look up wat sabotage means.
Corruption > though criminal > is not defined as sabotage.
Deriliction of duty> Though unethical> is not defined as sabotage.
Bharatnatyam > A dance form> is not defined as sabotage.
Qawalli> A singing form> is not defined as sabotage.
Peeing on the street> is quite disgusting> is not defined as sabotage.
Conspiracy Theories> usually ridiculous> is not defined as sabotage.
Aamir Khan> An Actor> Well these days might be defined as sabotage

The only thing I can't prove is the involvement of CIA as spy agencies don't leave behind a direct trail. However, despite me not being ab;e to find the main agent, I am still able to claim sabotage due to willful dereliction of duty done which caused great national security threat.

Thus
Ramble On - Enjoy

 

[_Anonymous_]

Having an opinion is sabotage, did Nehru decomission the Army? Last I checked India was still a democracy.



If the action is at behest of a foreign agency to sabotage national security it is criminal.


As I said, I have nothing to do with conspiracy theories, I do not care about any of them. You claim conspiracy, as laugh it off as BS.


No it just points to the fact that you know $hit about the findings. Here is an excerpt straight from CAG's conclusion of 2015 placing the blame squarely on MoD.

"Delays in identification/replacement/ addition of weapons by IAF and their integration as per IAF requirement to make the LCA contemporary also added to the delays. In addition, there have been delays in completion of work packages by various work centres, which indicated ineffective monitoring of the project by MoD."
https://cag.gov.in/sites/default/files/audit_report_files/Union_Performance_Defense_Design__Manufacture_Light_Combat Aircraft_17_2015_chapter_8.pdf


India had operational SLBM's and SLBM inducted in NDA regime? cmon man stop bsing now. Agni 3's first launch was in 2006 iirc and SLBM in form of B05 became operation after that even though there wasn't a SSBN to launch it from untill Arihant.


Sorry about missing the date.


Ofcourse it is meant to be funny, what do you think last how many ever posts are. They are just funny. @randomradio, I was just pissed about delays on the other thread this one is claiming cia -saazish.


SLBM were available, lol, where did you test them from,


You wont, don't bother wither.


How about leave engineering to engineers, If we want to develop a 100 seater or 300 seater, we can do our own work. We do not need lecture of NPD. HAL has had a MRTA program in the works for long not contingent upon NAL or ADA. We have been manufacturing Avro748 for ages and we know what we are doing unlike the dumbfucks at MoD.


Should it, ROFL.


It's not signing cheque books, before spreading your verbal diarrhea, go an talk to someone in MoD and ask them reasons for projects moving at snails pace. Every project passed by any civil servant out of due diligence is targeted the by either IB or CBI and roasted for decades, thus bureaucrats have stopped taken any initiative to pass any file. You are talking about MoD, this is not grocery shop, that their duty is just to sign cheques.


Dude you need to look up wat sabotage means.
Corruption > though criminal > is not defined as sabotage.
Deriliction of duty> Though unethical> is not defined as sabotage.
Bharatnatyam > A dance form> is not defined as sabotage.
Qawalli> A singing form> is not defined as sabotage.
Peeing on the street> is quite disgusting> is not defined as sabotage.
Conspiracy Theories> usually ridiculous> is not defined as sabotage.
Aamir Khan> An Actor> Well these days might be defined as sabotage


Thus
Ramble On - Enjoy

I must say , I'm quite impressed by @pachawry line of arguments. He's certainly breathed life into the forum . He's an original . All 24 karats. Hats off to you , Sir . You've single handedly managed to revive a moribund forum. Something which even the irrepressible @randomradio 's sunny bright optimism couldn't .

 

[pachawry]

Having an opinion is sabotage, did Nehru decomission the Army? Last I checked India was still a democracy.

Nehru cut down army's strength, did not develop defence industry and did great harm to defence preparedness of India. Nehru also asked Homi Bhabha to not start a bomb project until he gives order for the same. This is sabotage. Just giving opinion is not sabotage but jeopardising others security is sabotage

If the action is at behest of a foreign agency to sabotage national security it is criminal.

Regardless of at the behest of foreign agency or not, doing harm to security is sabotage. It could simply be evil intent or allegiance to ideology which is outside India and intention to destroy India from within. Sabotage is sabotage

As I said, I have nothing to do with conspiracy theories, I do not care about any of them. You claim conspiracy, as laugh it off as BS.

No one care what you have to do with any theories. Consistent theories are always acceptable. Simply stating nonsense like file PIL won't cut it. MY arguments must be rebutted with proper counter arguments.

No it just points to the fact that you know $hit about the findings. Here is an excerpt straight from CAG's conclusion of 2015 placing the blame squarely on MoD.

"Delays in identification/replacement/ addition of weapons by IAF and their integration as per IAF requirement to make the LCA contemporary also added to the delays. In addition, there have been delays in completion of work packages by various work centres, which indicated ineffective monitoring of the project by MoD."
https://cag.gov.in/sites/default/fi...e_Light_Combat Aircraft_17_2015_chapter_8.pdf

I was speaking of Kaveri and you are speaking of LCA? Out of desperation to counter me, you are ending up saying anything? Also, even in case of LCA, ineffective monitoring of MoD means that there was dereliction of duty. Nevertheless, I insist that whe speaking of Kaveri engine, don't bring in LCA.

India had operational SLBM's and SLBM inducted in NDA regime? cmon man stop bsing now. Agni 3's first launch was in 2006 iirc and SLBM in form of B05 became operation after that even though there wasn't a SSBN to launch it from untill Arihant.

SLBM is not a magical technology. It was an extrapolation of existing technology. Moreover, when SLBM was being made, it can't afford to not have any missile. So, simple things which already have had technology was allowed to be made. SLBM of 700km is nothing and can't be considered as technology progress.

Ofcourse it is meant to be funny, what do you think last how many ever posts are. They are just funny. @randomradio, I was just pissed about delays on the other thread this one is claiming cia -saazish

When you are desperate to make rebuttals, you end up saying stupid things. They don't become funny.

SLBM were available, lol, where did you test them from,

SLBM of 700km is path breaking technology. What is the point of SLBM if it can't strike meaningful target at reasonable range? The SLBM will not be able to hit CHina unless it comes to South China sea, will not be able to strike Pakistan unless it comes near the latitude of Mumbai in arabian sea. Is such a missile meaningful missile? I am speaking of technology development of new and meaningful technology.

How about leave engineering to engineers, If we want to develop a 100 seater or 300 seater, we can do our own work. We do not need lecture of NPD. HAL has had a MRTA program in the works for long not contingent upon NAL or ADA. We have been manufacturing Avro748 for ages and we know what we are doing unlike the dumbfucks at MoD.

Do you think NAL is filled with plumbers and mechanics? India needs indigenous transport plane and it has to start from something. It is not that India already has big planes being made and SARAS is useless. MoD does not make any aircrafts. Only engineers do.

It's not signing cheque books, before spreading your verbal diarrhea, go an talk to someone in MoD and ask them reasons for projects moving at snails pace. Every project passed by any civil servant out of due diligence is targeted the by either IB or CBI and roasted for decades, thus bureaucrats have stopped taken any initiative to pass any file. You are talking about MoD, this is not grocery shop, that their duty is just to sign cheques.

When did any agency interfere in domestic research and development? Show me one example of that. Only imports and other related things get scrutinised. Funding Kaveri development project is not imports.

Dude you need to look up wat sabotage means.
Corruption > though criminal > is not defined as sabotage.
Deriliction of duty> Though unethical> is not defined as sabotage.
Bharatnatyam > A dance form> is not defined as sabotage.
Qawalli> A singing form> is not defined as sabotage.
Peeing on the street> is quite disgusting> is not defined as sabotage.
Conspiracy Theories> usually ridiculous> is not defined as sabotage.
Aamir Khan> An Actor> Well these days might be defined as sabotage

Speaking stupid things and trying to be funny by giving meaningless analogy won't cut it. Bharatnatyam, Qawalli, peeing, aamir khan etc are irrelevant.

Sabotage is defined by oxford dictionary as: "Deliberately destroy, damage, or obstruct (something), especially for political or military advantage."

Explain to me how is Aamir Khan or Qawalli or peeing come under sabotage?

Dereliction of duty or corruption on their own does not come under sabotage. If it can be shown that it was intentional obstruction or destruction of important process and/or infrastructure despite knowing the serious nature security implications, then it indeed comes under sabotage.

 

[randomradio]

Ofcourse it is meant to be funny, what do you think last how many ever posts are. They are just funny. @randomradio, I was just pissed about delays on the other thread this one is claiming cia -saazish.

I would recommend choosing peace of mind over this.

 

[Milspec]

Dereliction of duty or corruption on their own does not come under sabotage. If it can be shown that it was intentional obstruction or destruction of important process and/or infrastructure despite knowing the serious nature security implications, then it indeed comes under sabotage.

Then prove it,

 

[Milspec]

I must say , I'm quite impressed by @pachawry line of arguments. He's certainly breathed life into the forum . He's an original . All 24 karats. Hats off to you , Sir . You've single handedly managed to revive a moribund forum. Something which even the irrepressible @randomradio 's sunny bright optimism couldn't .

I am lovin it.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I am lovin it.

You've asked for it. You've had it .

 

[Milspec]

You've asked for it. You've had it .

Given there is not much to write about these days , this is indeed refreshing/

 

[Arvind]

Are you suggesting that chandrbabu naidu fleeing is evidence of bjp toppiling him in andhra? If bjp was going to win the same victory as 2014 they would not have left period. If they had a reasonable chance of victory then also they would have remained. It is not only losses but now a burdensome image of being a part of this coalition that is driving them.

KCR is coming in.

 

[Guynextdoor]

KCR is coming in.

You mean the same kcr who dumped congress in 2014 is coming in because modiji is such a great leader ? And you are aware that kcr is not the cm of andhrA?

 

[RATHORE]

Mustn't believe all you read.

I know, but it's not like the RSS hasn't acted up in the past.

 

[Arvind]

You mean the same kcr who dumped congress in 2014 is coming in because modiji is such a great leader ? And you are aware that kcr is not the cm of andhrA?

Dumping is so unusual?