Internal criticism is necessary.
lets not forget we are not pro BJP but pro India. Our goal is not to make BJP win even if it fail to perform.
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Internal criticism is necessary.
lets not forget we are not pro BJP but pro India. Our goal is not to make BJP win even if it fail to perform.
Criticism is one thing, and internal sabotage (a la 2004) is another. And frankly, right now, all it takes is one look at the opposition to discern that at this specific moment, and in the 2019 Elections, Pro-BJP and Pro-India are the exact same thing. This is not something I hold to be a constant or eternal truth, I am fully cognizant of the fact that this won't *always* be true. But at this specific point in time, and in the upcoming elections - it is absolutely the truth.
And not all of the internal criticisms of the RSS are even worth paying attention to. Their archaic and nonsensical stance against FDI being just one example.
Disagree. Never settle with mediocre just because the other option is worse. Continuously work to make mediocre perform best.
Do you know what you have stated is the very reason of BJP's lackadaisical performance and their taken for granted attitude?
There's plenty of time to criticize, improve and push the BJP later on - but the real priority right now is to wipe out the blatantly antinational and anti-Hindu opposition. They're a far bigger, and existential threat to India and Hindus than the "mediocre" performance of BJP. But there are people literally complaining about Modi and BJP, talking about NOTA or "teaching BJP a lesson" etc. That's plain suicidal.
The opposition simply cannot be allowed to exist in its current form. Wipe them out, and allow a fresh opposition which isn't as blatantly corrupt antinational and anti-Hindu as the current one. There is room for a liberal, left of center opposition; there's room for centrist parties, and there's even room for right of center parties that don't agree with BJP on everything - but all of them must be pro-Indian and secular in the real sense of the word (even Congress under the right leader can work - like Amarinder in Punjab, who I prefer over SAD). Then they're all welcome to compete for power, and in those circumstances, I don't really care what happens to BJP.
But right now, it is beyond crucial, and an absolute priority to root out Lalu-Mulayam-Mayawati-Gandhi-Pawar-Mamata-Kejriwal types.
Let me start with the disclaimer that I haven't done much detailed reading about it. But if I'm not mistaken, the whole issue was that the Supreme Court diluted that bill a little bit to prevent misuse right? And of course the "secular" parties and Dalit groups made a big hue and cry, forcing the BJP to act against this. Is that correct?
If so, obviously I'm opposed to the move on a personal basis; but I understand the political compulsions behind it; and I'm not upset with the BJP for doing that; they had no choice - hopefully it helps them in 2019. By the OBC bill, if you mean subcategorization for reservations, I think it's a master stroke, and again, hope it pays off in 2019 (as for personal views on reservations; I've always said that they should be based on socioeconomic condition, not caste).
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BJP was entrusted with something and they are failing to deliver - offcourse with reasons as you have stated to push for reservations and strengthening SC/ST bill even if its against the supreme court or it led to harassment of general class. Reasons are always there.
Why should I care of BJP if they have political reasons for ignoring me? Am I owe them anything?
I shall not give up for fear mongering. I survived Mulayam, I survived Maya, I survived Akhilesh, I am surviving Yogi as well. I am hindu, still.
Mool matra is - Forget what we didn't do, here comes anti nationals and anti hindu, we are your savior.
I dont subscribe to this idea.
To each their own; as I said before, I couldn't care less what happens to BJP once the current trash is cleaned up and there are multiple quality parties competing for power. But for me, at this moment, there is only one clear, correct choice. And in order to avoid weakening their position vis-a-vis 2019 (which would absolutely guarantee that the agenda they were brought in for is buried forever - rather than temporarily delayed or partially implemented like right now) - I think their supporters need to show them patience.
They have a lot of filth to clean and damage to undo, and bringing historical change requires time and absolute majority everywhere (Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha are crucial; if you can then handpick a President and judiciary, even better). This is also without going into the fact that while a signifiant portion of the old, evil ecosystem is dismantled or slowly being starved, a lot of it still survives (including in the form of Government bureaucrats who try to sabotage the current administration), and will require another term or two to be wiped out.
Supreme court ruling gave them enough shield but they give up on political vote bank. How are they suppose to bring change. Pussies they are.
Supreme Court's "shield" wouldn't have saved them. They'd get routed in the coming elections. Democracy is a numbers game, and the people this bill concerns are the overwhelming majority of the population, are generally reproducing at higher rates, are often poorer, less educated and backward, hence they openly & aggressively vote their caste - even if it yields leaders like Lalu, Mulayam and Mayawati.
To change the game, you first have to play it and win it. I know it's tough, but we need to be patient. Once their economic reforms start to pay off and translate into benefits on the ground, they secure their political position, and have both an LS and RS brute majority for pushing legislation through; they'll be in a better position to deliver what we expect; but it can't all happen immediately, or this will end up being another 2004.
therefore modi s dumpable like any other politician...therefore people are dumping him because he is headed for electoral disasters.
yes. I don't care if they are complete f*ck ups for a whole term. You can always criticize them after 20 years.
And collating in packs?
if modi is not able to command the respect he needs to be a PM, then why shouldn't they dump him? He is a liability and incompetent in every other way. He had this oen thing. If he is unable to do even this well then whether they dump him individually or in packs it's fine.
I do not see "considerable" improvement in economy, to an extent that it can cast economic spell of magnitude which can sway Indian masses from caste based politics. In such case, stated reasons will continue to be there and repeated in excuse of not delivering.
We live among idiots, democracy by idiots is biggest crime to logic and humanity.
Yep, if Modi cant do magic, join Lalu, Maya, Mulayam and make Pappu PM. Thats some list of real competent figures.
BJP can lead from the front but it is buying time by these tactics to get the right situation. In world, 90% of the work is done by time and nature. Only 10% is done by man. BJP is waiting for the 90% to be in order. Leading from the front is possible and that will require exposing the opponents and causing great anger in people. You have survived Mulayam and other people in the past only because of the 90% being against any action. When the 90% is in place, it is at that time you need the right people. Not all time period is equally significant as the other. Some time period is more significant. This is important to understand
PM saab, gyaan baant dia? Is it appraisals going on in TCS with disgruntled employees giving you hard time?
Yep, if Modi cant do magic, join Lalu, Maya, Mulayam and make Pappu PM. Thats some list of real competent figures.
what 'magic'? AT least bsic competence - is that too much to ask? If that's too much to ask then at least not deliberately *censored*ing up the economy? I'm sure every other PM does demonetization overnight and boy so much black money it brought. And when everything else fails, bring in Gaumata politics.
