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Bharath said:
the whole manifesto of TRS, Congress, TDP reeks of minority appeasement. free electricity to churches and mosques? why? arent hey already built on temple lands in the first place?
12% reservation for Muslims? this takes away the merit based selection of a hindu to provide to a Muslim - how long will this continue?
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12% reservation to minority religious community can't be reality according to Indian constitution. It is KCR's strategy to lure some Muslims votes, when he knows that INC already get majority of them. Also MIM is also factor which KCR will have to look into. I think it is master stroke from KCR's perspective.

I know no Muslim want that, neither they are gonna get it. But it is a good strategy to divert some voter towards KCR in order to have fight properly. BJP is also playing it's card, but this might be bad news or KCR as BJP will eat into KCR's vote, while INC+TDP is definitely going to make some impact in this election. Fingers crossed, Telangana politics is little complex to understand for people from north. Need to go little deeper.
 
Pundrick said:
12% reservation to minority religious community can't be reality according to Indian constitution. It is KCR's strategy to lure some Muslims votes, when he knows that INC already get majority of them. Also MIM is also factor which KCR will have to look into. I think it is master stroke from KCR's perspective.

I know no Muslim want that, neither they are gonna get it. But it is a good strategy to divert some voter towards KCR in order to have fight properly. BJP is also playing it's card, but this might be bad news or KCR as BJP will eat into KCR's vote, while INC+TDP is definitely going to make some impact in this election. Fingers crossed, Telangana politics is little complex to understand for people from north. Need to go little deeper.
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what about the 4% reservation for Muslims that already exists in Telangana?
and the free electricity for Mosques and churches in the Manifesto?
 
Tsunami said:
Some are saying it was written by the Purohit. Also his views in 'Bahi' were written by Purohit only. Rahul just signed it.
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The Priest was not wrong. he just told him the Gotra of his forefathers and not his Gotra. If the Priest had called him a Brahmin while being well aware that his father was a christian and grandfather a Muslim, we will have this priest thrown out from Brahmanism. Isko Tyaagadh Brahmin bana dengay. A brahmin whom no one will marry into nor share food and water with.

_Anonymous_ said:
It used to be said of the Bourbons, following their restoration in the aftermath of Napoleon's deposition that they haven't learnt anything from history nor forgotten anything. The same can be said of the Congress. More than the BJP, I think the MIM will play a pivotal role. Having said that, I think KCR is a favorite to win with a simple majority. Although the Congress + TDP coalition will give him some trouble.
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Due to MIM and due to what Congress has now done, every hindu opposed to KCR will vote for BJP. BJP is the new opposition to KCR in Telangana.
 
Bharath said:
what about the 4% reservation for Muslims that already exists in Telangana?
and the free electricity for Mosques and churches in the Manifesto?
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4% is within SC's guideline i.e. 49.9%. Muslims get reservation as 'backward class' not as religion. The moment they increase it to 12%, then either SC or any other organization will go against it in court and SC will put stay in no time. Remember there are millions who are opposing such reservation moves.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Due to MIM and due to what Congress has now done, every hindu opposed to KCR will vote for BJP. BJP is the new opposition to KCR in Telangana.
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Appeasing minority has always backfired any political party. In his quest to lure few thousand votes KCR might loose lakhs instead. And BJP is like a predator which is adopting "Nothing to loose strategy" here, they'll grab anything they have. If I am not wrong then BP will even grab some Muslim vote too, those Bohra and Muslims who oppose sunnis radicals are already looking some hardcore Hindutva party to contain sunni radical in some regions.
 
Pundrick said:
4% is within SC's guideline i.e. 49.9%. Muslims get reservation as 'backward class' not as religion. The moment they increase it to 12%, then either SC or any other organization will go against it in court and SC will put stay in no time. Remember there are millions who are opposing such reservation moves.
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It's the BC amongst the Muslims who qualify for the 4% status & is not applicable for the entire community. I'm not very conversant with the Constitution but I'm surprised why the BJP hasn't challenged this as apart from the Dharmic religions, caste based quotas aren't recognized among Muslims or Christians by the SC , to the best of my knowledge.

Having said that, the trend was established by JJ in TN with the DMK going a step forward in this regard.

Technically, the state governments can bypass the SC judgement on the 50% quota limit by invoking the 9 th Schedule. However, since 2014, the SC has taken a stern view of governments - both state & central resorting to the 9 th Schedule to get their way.
 
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Pundrick said:
4% is within SC's guideline i.e. 49.9%. Muslims get reservation as 'backward class' not as religion. The moment they increase it to 12%, then either SC or any other organization will go against it in court and SC will put stay in no time. Remember there are millions who are opposing such reservation moves.
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I am sorry - how can reservation based on religion have any SC backing?
also - in telnagana - Muslims were not the oppressed class - they were in the ruling class. so on what basis is the reservation in the first place?
 
Pundrick said:
Appeasing minority has always backfired any political party. In his quest to lure few thousand votes KCR might loose lakhs instead. And BJP is like a predator which is adopting "Nothing to loose strategy" here, they'll grab anything they have. If I am not wrong then BP will even grab some Muslim vote too, those Bohra and Muslims who oppose sunnis radicals are already looking some hardcore Hindutva party to contain sunni radical in some regions.
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Shias have traditionally voted for BJP. Lucknow is a testimony of it. telangana has a large Shia population. Let us see what happens now.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
Whether he has proved himself in Delhi or not will be known in 2020 elections. In my visits to Delhi in the past 4 years, the lower strata comprising mostly the blue collar seemed satisfied with the performance of AAP. As far as the middle classes were concerned it appears to have been a mixed bag with a lot of griping concerning demonetization among the trading community - traditionally an RSS bastion. Yet the BJP easily won the Municipal elections in 2017. But the members here from Delhi would know better.

Up until 1989, the trend in elections had been that the electorate voted on local issues in state elections & voted differently in the national elections. One saw the trend right thru the Indira Gandhi years & RG's term up until 1989 , which changed the pattern . 1991 but more specifically 1996 changed all that.

We saw a restoration of the old trend in 2014. Every state election since then has broadly confirmed this trend. Final confirmation will be received once the 2019 general elections are concluded, to signify whether 2014 was an aberration or a repeat of the old pattern.
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it's a function of corruption. When corruption goes out of hand (like it did under Sheila and 'posers' like BJP who only pretend to give solutions) people vote local. Else national. When you have to pay 8000 bucks a month for electricity for a 2 BHK when you don't use AC that's when you screw your local government. In karnataka we booted out BJP due to HORRIBLE corruption under yeddy but after congress came to power locally many still voted BJP national (which will not happen in 2019). Modi is still stuck on throwing ink, calling people pappu, I will build statue and gaumata/ ayodhya etc. Hindi heartleand which has never seen proper development may vote on such nonsense but people who have an option (south/ delhi etc.) won't.
 
Guynextdoor said:
it's a function of corruption. When corruption goes out of hand (like it did under Sheila and 'posers' like BJP who only pretend to give solutions) people vote local. Else national. When you have to pay 8000 bucks a month for electricity for a 2 BHK when you don't use AC that's when you screw your local government. In karnataka we booted out BJP due to HORRIBLE corruption under yeddy but after congress came to power locally many still voted BJP national (which will not happen in 2019). Modi is still stuck on throwing ink, calling people pappu, I will build statue and gaumata/ ayodhya etc. Hindi heartleand which has never seen proper development may vote on such nonsense but people who have an option (south/ delhi etc.) won't.
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Quote me when you have a rational argument to make not the gibberish you post here as you always do.
 
Guynextdoor said:
Considering your intellectual level, below is probably the only thing that will make rational sense to you.


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Considering that is the first thought that came to your mind, one can determine your intellectual abilities & why you think everyone around is at the same plane.
 
Vikaas Gandul hoya che was the cry in Gujrat Elections. yes Vikas Gandul hua che when you have 5% of the population getting pakka houses, when 15% of the population get gas connections, when 100% houses get electricity connections and toilets, surely vikas gandul hua che bcoz it has broken all records by its speed. Only people who have gone Gandul are those who say Vikas gandul hua che.
1.5 crore Pakka houses for people below poverty line in five years. If we consider that a family in India has five people, 1.5 crore translate to 7.5crore people or 5% of our total population.
The robust foreign policy coupled with zero incidents of terror attacks in five years anywhere outside J&K and NE is Vikas Gandul hua che. Naxals on the run is Vikas Gandul hua che. 50% increase in irrigated land is Vikas Gandul hua che. 7.5% GDP growth is Vikas Gandul hua che.
Who is this Vikas jay Gandul hua che?
 
It's interesting to see that how Congress manifesto works in Telangana considering...
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Guynextdoor said:
I have learnt it is important to adjust the message according to the audience inellect levels.
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A great deal of which is on ample display here, by default, for not only can you not type more than four lines of coherence, than you get tripped by your lack of proficiency in grammmar and syntax, what to speak of logic & rationale amply compensated by your urge to troll, in order to make up for any substance in your argument.

Much like the Church's pronouncements on what is evil and blasphemy, being in the nature of declarations, without any coherent & rational argument behind such diktats. Is it any wonder why you - the altar boy & Sunday School champion , at your age adopt the same line out here. Stick to the parish & braying the Gospel at unearthly hours. Remember the general elections are but 6 months away and each & every prayer of the faithful count. The sheep mustn't be lead astray.
 
Indian Constitution has provision for reservation for the people who are oppressed i.e. socially, religiously or historically backward. They have added some community from all states in schedules that's why we call them Schedule caste and tribes. They have nothing to do with religion here, a Muslims, Christian or even Parsi can be added in this schedule but they'll only have to prove that their community has been historically kept backward by the dominant caste/community. But as these foreign religion don't find reference of oppression in history they can't get into the schedule list directly. So how they get into the list, well you'll find some Muslims & Christians in the list because after independence they were part of this SC/ST list and after independence they all are converted to either of them. So remember SC/ST status is not given to M & C but due to conversion they are there. SC has made decision that even after conversion they can get benefit.

Now coming to OBC, well if you get the full form your doubt will be clear, it stands for Other Backward "Class", not caste, those M&C community which has some history lets say 400-500 years and historically they were treated as backward within M&C and the current economical status of this community within M&C community is kept backward by upper M&C class, then are eligible for quota as OBC. Hence Muslims & Christians get quota as OBC not SC & ST.

Bharath said:
I am sorry - how can reservation based on religion have any SC backing?
also - in telnagana - Muslims were not the oppressed class - they were in the ruling class. so on what basis is the reservation in the first place?
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_Anonymous_ said:
It's the BC amongst the Muslims who qualify for the 4% status & is not applicable for the entire community. I'm not very conversant with the Constitution but I'm surprised why the BJP hasn't challenged this as apart from the Dharmic religions, caste based quotas aren't recognized among Muslims or Christians by the SC , to the best of my knowledge.

Having said that, the trend was established by JJ in TN with the DMK going a step forward in this regard.

Technically, the state governments can bypass the SC judgement on the 50% quota limit by invoking the 9 th Schedule. However, since 2014, the SC has taken a stern view of governments - both state & central resorting to the 9 th Schedule to get their way.
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