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Chancellor Angela Merkel said that Germans have failed to grasp how Muslim immigration has transformed their country and will have to come to terms with more mosques than churches throughout the countryside, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung daily.
“Our country is going to carry on changing, and integration is also a task for the society taking up the task of dealing with immigrants,” Ms. Merkel told the daily newspaper. “For years we’ve been deceiving ourselves about this. Mosques, for example, are going to be a more prominent part of our cities than they were before.”
Germany, with a population of 4-5 million Muslims, has been divided in recent weeks by a debate over remarks by the Bundesbank’s Thilo Sarrazin, who argued Turkish and Arab immigrants were failing to integrate and were swamping Germany with a higher birth rate.
The Chancellor’s remarks represent the first official acknowledgement that Germany, like other European countries, is destined to become a stronghold of Islam. She has admitted that the country will soon become a stronghold.
In France, 30% of children age 20 years and below are Muslims. The ratio in Paris and Marseille has soared to 45%. In southern France, there are more mosques than churches.
The situation within the United Kingdom is not much different. In the last 30 years, the Muslim population there has climbed from 82,000 to 2.5 million. Presently, there are over 1000 mosques throughout Great Britain – – many of which were converted from churches.
In Belgium, 50% of the newborns are Muslims and reportedly its Islamic population hovers around 25%. A similar statistic holds true for The Netherlands.
It’s the same story in Russia where one in five inhabitants is a Muslim.
Muammar Gaddafi once stated that “There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without sword, without gun, without conquest. We don’t need terrorists; we don’t need homicide bombers. The 50 plus million Muslims (in Europe) will turn it into the Muslim Continent within a few decades.”
The numbers support him.
By Manoj Joshi on 11/02/2018• 8 Comments
In this crowded region of South Asia, we must find sufficient space to swim together, or we are doomed to sink separately.
Adityanath, chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, holds a lamp as he performs aarti on the banks of river Sarayu in Ayodhya, India, May 31, 2017. Credit: Reuters/Pawan Kumar
The fact that communal violence is rising in India is not hidden. Even the government acknowledges that there has been a steady uptick in communal incidents. In response to a question in parliament on Tuesday (February 6), minister of state Hansraj Ahir disclosed that as many as 111 people were killed and nearly 2,500 injured in 822 communal incidents in 2017, as compared to 751 incidents in 2016 that took the life of 97 people and 703 in 2016 when 86 were killed.
It is not surprising that this is happening , given the deliberate strategy of polarising the populace through a variety of means ranging from cow protection to tiranga yatras, where gangs of young men barge into Muslim localities armed with the national flag (and a sprinkling of saffron ones as well) and raise anti-Pakistan slogans to taunt Muslims.
Even foreign policy is being held hostage to this, in the manner that Pakistan is consciously conflated with Muslims and a drumbeat of hostility is being maintained towards Islamabad for what are clearly electoral purposes, as became evident during the recent Gujarat assembly elections or earlier through the so-called surgical strikes in the Uttar Pradesh poll.
Despite, or perhaps because of, this, what is striking is the common sensical and decent approach of the common man. This has come out most recently through two incidents.
In the Kasganj incident, a tiranga yatra clashed with a flag-hoisting ceremony in a Muslim neighbourhood on Republic Day, leading to the death of a young Hindu man, Chandan Gupta. Thereafter, Muslim houses and businesses were deliberately attacked and set on fire. The situation was so troubled that even the governor of UP, senior BJP functionary Ram Naik termed it a ‘blot’ on the state.
Whatever the Adityanath government may have said or done since to control the situation, what stands out is the steady refusal of the Gupta family to use the incident to promote communal hatred. Gupta’s bereaved sister Kirti told the Times of India that “there should be an end to ‘tiranga yatra’ if it’s leading to violence”. For her pains, Kirti said that her family had been threatened by unknown persons.
The other incident relates to an honour killing in Raghubir Nagar, New Delhi. A young Hindu man, Ankit Saxena was stabbed to death by the family of a Muslim girl he was in a relationship with. Once again, the bereaved family has gone out of its way to insist that the incident should not be given a communal tone. Efforts are being made by some communal elements to demand the expulsion of Muslims from the locality, but they are being stoutly resisted by residents.
What has been happening has been graphically brought about by two courageous district officials. In the first instance, a district magistrate in Bareilly Raghavendra Vikram Singh spoke of the “very strange trend” where people “take out processions by force through Muslim dominated localities and raise anti-Pakistan slogans” in a Facebook post. Subsequently the post was deleted.
Another young officer, Rashme Varun, posted on the provocative tactics of hiding behind the tricolour and the mask of nationalism to promote the “bhagwa (saffron)” agenda. No doubt, the officers exceeded their brief in posting on a political issue in this manner.
File photo of a BJP bike rally. Credit: PTI
A breakdown of communal peace in UP and this part of northern India can only have the most serious consequences for the region and the country. If a handful of militants in Punjab, a state where the Hindus are a large minority, could hold the north hostage for an entire decade between 1985 and 1995, consider the consequences of militancy in a region from New Delhi to the Nepal border comprising of the districts of Saharanpur (Muslim population 41.95%), Meerut (34.43%) Moradabad (47.12%), Bijnor (43.04%), Jyotiba Phule Nagar (40.70%), Muzaffarnagar (41.30%), Rampur (50.57) and Bareilly (34.54) – which would together constitute the area of a country as large as Albania.
This is a fraught region, historically. Its elites played a significant role in the creation of Pakistan, but the average Muslim voted with his feet and remained in India. Yet, for the role of a handful of their co-religionists, their descendants have been placed in a permanent purgatory, with their religion and culture derided and their nationality questioned. The region has witnessed repeated instances of communal violence – Moradabad in 1980, Meerut in 1982, 1987 and 1990-91, Bijnor in 1990, and Muzaffarnagar in 1988 and 2013. In many instances, the clash arose out of trivial events, but in some, there was deliberate provocation.
So far, these instances have been in the form of cycles of violence. Even though there was significant loss of life, they were brought under control. But given the current dispensation in the state, which is seeking to create a vote bank of the majority, there is danger of mass violence which would be nothing but disastrous.
The primary lesson of the bloodletting of Partition should have been the importance of learning that for the subcontinent to flourish, its various communities must be at peace, something that is as much the responsibility of its minorities, as its huge majority community.
The Indian Muslims of today are not going anywhere. According to a study conducted at the University of South Australia, the population of Hindus in India will rise 36% to 1.03 billion in 2050, while that of Muslims will go up 76% to 310 million, the largest in the world. The Hindus will still be a huge majority comprising 77% of the population, even though nationally the proportion of Muslims will rise from 14% to 18%.
By now it should be clear that high population growth is a function of backwardness. The challenge this presents is obvious.
The lesson from these figures is that people will simply have to get along. Fantasies of “ghar wapsi” or expelling Muslims to Pakistan and Bangladesh, are precisely that – illusions. In this crowded region of South Asia, we must find sufficient space to swim together, or we are doomed to sink separately.
Short-term polarisation for electoral gain is the worst of the options that our politicians confront. But, sadly, unless they soar to the level of statesmen like Jawaharlal Nehru, they usually tend to take the lowest path.
Manoj Joshi is a Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation.
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He has put into a pithy observation what all of us know already.
I believe that secularism is a fruit if everyone believes in it.,
In India the majority was pushed to believe the secularism fruit and that they were the ones responsible for peace, More or less how the present Germans are indoctrinated that their ancestors caused the holocaust,.
the others believe that the govt is doing everything as per their minority status and do anything for them whims and fancies because the govt sees them racial/religious superiority.
Maybe the faithfuls should write to Naga church and ask them what promises have the congress kept for the past 7 decades and then the promises were not kept were the intentions questioned? They were happy to get humped and then say "we are minorities, yeh to hona hi tha"
The news of the mosques show how badly Congress has influenced people where the Citizen does not believe that the constitution can protect their rights but religion can.
Sadly most of these religions did not originate in India do take orders from outside India and our secular leaders and contributes are happy bending over for their commands.
A religion is go guide a man about what is right and what is wrong, but love for nation has to be SUPREME. I think we should put that in constitution so that there are no doubts about it
In India the majority was pushed to believe the secularism fruit and that they were the ones responsible for peace, More or less how the present Germans are indoctrinated that their ancestors caused the holocaust,.
the others believe that the govt is doing everything as per their minority status and do anything for them whims and fancies because the govt sees them racial/religious superiority.
Maybe the faithfuls should write to Naga church and ask them what promises have the congress kept for the past 7 decades and then the promises were not kept were the intentions questioned? They were happy to get humped and then say "we are minorities, yeh to hona hi tha"
The news of the mosques show how badly Congress has influenced people where the Citizen does not believe that the constitution can protect their rights but religion can.
Sadly most of these religions did not originate in India do take orders from outside India and our secular leaders and contributes are happy bending over for their commands.
A religion is go guide a man about what is right and what is wrong, but love for nation has to be SUPREME. I think we should put that in constitution so that there are no doubts about it
Two headlines, side by side, celebrating India's secularism.#VasudhaivaKutumbakam
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Kejru had come for media coverage, When a Muslim guy was killed Kejur had declared 1 Cr as as relief and for Ankit Saxena he offered mere 5 L
And Ankit Saxena was the sole breadwinner
Kejru itna expose hua hai, that he would soon qualify as a naked model
And Ankit Saxena was the sole breadwinner
Kejru itna expose hua hai, that he would soon qualify as a naked model
On lighter side, I think Mani wants to make Shashi Tharoor jealous that he can be closer to Tharoors flame than tharoor
See what i mean when i say 'Hindus get no benefits for being Secular'. These incidents will occur more in a alarming rate in the future.
Putting this in constitution won't be of any good when the certain community puts Religion First and Nation...
That is Secular politics, things are changing , Minority appeasement doesn't win elections and people realize that now.
True! He lost all his credibility in just 3 years in politics (Family realised it the day he took support from INC to form Government) - Played caste politics, saved Corrupt babus, Saved his corrupt cabinet ministers & still saving satyender jain. Unfulfilled promises, defamed all the institution just to save himself from scrutiny.. He's been an utter disaster.
Not alienated but casted out, If people go against Ram Mandir , It is a sure shot majority for BJP in 2019
That is why Secular Forces are dividing Hindus - Dalits, OBC,'s, Lingayat, Maharats et al.. Peaceful Community will Vote for them & once Hindu votes are divided, they'd remain in Power - India will burn.
True! He lost all his credibility in just 3 years in politics (Family realised it the day he took support from INC to form Government) - Played caste politics, saved Corrupt babus, Saved his corrupt cabinet ministers & still saving satyender jain. Unfulfilled promises, defamed all the institution just to save himself from scrutiny.. He's been an utter disaster.
WhatsApp message received after Khujliwal led AAP secured unprecedented 2/3 rds majority in Delhi Assembly - Insaan ne samajhdaar hona chahiye . Padhe Likhe toh dilliwaale bhi hain!
Spectacularly quick rise and fall, I know you should never count out an Indian politician until they die (Sharad Pawar, Lalu, Mayawati etc) - but considering the way his star was in the ascendancy when he first came around, I think he's largely marginalized. He's been decimated every time he tries to expand from Delhi, he attacked Modi relentlessly to his own detriment, he's even hated/marginalized within the Opposition, and he obviously hasn't been able to deliver in Delhi (and likely won't get to work with a friendly Central Gvt any time in the foreseeable future).
Wonder what'll happen to him if he loses the next Delhi elections.
Hint - P.K.Mahanta.
All those Indian politicians who start out spectacularly end up pathetically. Well begun is half done .
Viz - the late RaGa , P.K.Mahanta and soon to join the ranks of the have beens - Khujliwal
Carrier of people rigid to some ideology could be finished in adverse situation. Person like Kejriwal who is ready to compromise and change colours for convenience can survive in all odds.
He might Not be the CM candidate during next Delhi Election, so that he can move to different state Or, Give some Lollipop to Delhites - Free Free Free something...& they'll again end up voting for him.
Not going to happen, If India burns these Secular forces will be the first to be fed to that fire, from both sides, Seculars will be the losers in any clash or riot.
One year on, UP has sanitised exam centres, banished ‘Cheating Mafia’ - Times of India
After reduction in crime, this is another huge achievement of Yogi sarkar !!
After reduction in crime, this is another huge achievement of Yogi sarkar !!
Constitution of India guarantees the rights of every indian citizen and people living within indian territory
Also when the constitution was written, Constitution was and is supreme but it is not clear for some groups what is supreme..
Thus to put it in constitution ensures that
a) IF YOU WANT TO LIVE WITHIN INDIA, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT INDIAN LAWS, ELSE YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY,
b) Constitution is supreme and it says THE NATION FIRST BEFORE RELIGION, so if you feel your religion is important than the nation, you can please go and stay within a country that allows that.
It is some ambiguity within our constitution that allows people to not respect the national anthem of the country, they dont stand and show respect (they say respect is in heart) If you love your NATION, show it.
Also when the constitution was written, Constitution was and is supreme but it is not clear for some groups what is supreme..
Thus to put it in constitution ensures that
a) IF YOU WANT TO LIVE WITHIN INDIA, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT INDIAN LAWS, ELSE YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY,
b) Constitution is supreme and it says THE NATION FIRST BEFORE RELIGION, so if you feel your religion is important than the nation, you can please go and stay within a country that allows that.
It is some ambiguity within our constitution that allows people to not respect the national anthem of the country, they dont stand and show respect (they say respect is in heart) If you love your NATION, show it.
Putting this in constitution won't be of any good when the certain community puts Religion First and Nation...
