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Can anyone from Kerala tell me which way will the christians vote? will they go with Muslims or with Hindus in Kerala.

Christians will never go with muslims and Hindus (they hate both communities; not religion, but their political parties muslim league and BJP). They go with Congress usually and rarely (some poor classes, not all) with communists, a total opportunist group.

But this time there is an added dimension of fights between different factions of churches. Orthodox christians for whom the Supreme Court order giving them control of churches from Yakobaya Sabha (they keep illegal control) was not enforced by state govt (communists) which has on the other hand been going out of its way to enforce Sabarimala court order. So some staunch Orthodox groups will vote BJP (again, not all) since they see the state govt as favoring the Yakobaya group (Congress on their last rule was also favouring the Yakobaya group).

Orthodox group is in majority in areas like Kottayam and nearby areas. And in good numbers in other areas (but not majority to Yakobaya group). Orthodox and yakobaya groups are the two biggest christain groups.

Anyway, malayaly christians are opportunists (even if economically really well off). Most don't vote thinking in terms of religion (but they keep a dislike nurtured by the churches against BJP and Muslim League). But you can expect some orthodox members (staunch Orthodox believers) to vote BJP/NOTA this time as an experiment to see if central govt+ state BJP leaders will put pressure on whatever state govt comes in to enforce church act (but you shouldn't expect this to be a trend since these staunch orthodox are actually very religious and will never turn pro-Hindu rastra in the long term). And BJP can use the turning over of churches to Orthodox to make them pro-BJP and remove the anti-Hindu-Parties bias. All of this is because of so much misinformation/preconceptions/perceptions regarding history, Hindu community, etc. BJP should aim to woo this group since they don't keep a hate mind towards Hindus (they are not rice bag converts who got converted in recent century but were there for 10-15 centuries and more). Orthodox group (and those that left orthodox group to yakobaya not including the new converts) should have least hate (and with a better chance to turn pro-Hindu) towards Hindus among all christian factions.

BJP should woo Orhtodox since BJP Hindus + pro-BJP Orthodox Chrisitans will help BJP chances in state. Orhtodox are well distributed all over kerala (except north kerala).
 
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Thrasupottivezhaloification:

(NOUN): When one gives a sworn affidavit in court that he is not a Hindu (does not believe in Hindu God) and then goes to Hindu temple for electoral gains and then the Hindu God punishes him on the spot by dropping an iron scale on your head.
 
Not even Pathanamthitta? Between the Sabarimala movement & PC George joining NDA, they should have a good shot.


Thiruvananthapuram , Pathanamthitta , Palakkad - 3 seats where NDA giving tough fight .

Thiruvananthapuram & Pathanamthitta - high chance to win .

Overall vote share of BJP will increase considerably and can touch 20% .
 
Thrasupottivezhaloification:

(NOUN): When one gives a sworn affidavit in court that he is not a Hindu (does not believe in Hindu God) and then goes to Hindu temple for electoral gains and then the Hindu God punishes him on the spot by dropping an iron scale on your head.

I didn't know that he gave affidavit saying he was not Hindu. Are you sure of this info?? Then I should propagate this in SM.
 
BJP wont win a single seat in Kerala if voting percentage is anything under 70 percent. Kerala Hindus are a real confused lot and unless they come out and vote in numbers, the more dedicated voters of other denominations will steal the show.

Exactly. A seriously deranged group of Hindus. And they think they are the smartest people in India too (which is why they never care to fact check)!! This illusion of knowing everything and being the smartest of the bunch is preventing them from knowing anything at all.
 
Exactly. A seriously deranged group of Hindus. And they think they are the smartest people in India too (which is why they never care to fact check)!! This illusion of knowing everything and being the smartest of the bunch is preventing them from knowing anything at all.
The smartest in the country are actually the Bongs. If you don't believe me, look at their CM for proof. Bongo like always is a trend setter. What bongo does today, the rest of the country does tomm.

The only other ethnicity which thinks otherwise is of course Gods own country. Notice, these are the only two places which elected commies and are proud of it. Bongo more than Kerala. Coz they're one up on Keralites. Why, you ask? They've got someone better than the Commies to rule them now. The only way Keralites can better Bongs is if they elect the IUML. Which is due to happen in a couple of decades if not earlier.
 
Not even Pathanamthitta? Between the Sabarimala movement & PC George joining NDA, they should have a good shot.



INC Candidate last time had 220,000 votes lead over BJP candidate in 2014 (BJP total votes was 138,954, LDF 302,651). PC George supporting NDA will have an effect on BJP votes however, that is not enough to get over the line.

Last year, PC George's was in UDF camp last time, but INC had almost 25,000 votes behind LDF candidate in his constituency (Not because of PC George, but peoples were against INC due to `Gadgil Committee` report so they voted left). In other words, INC won even with strong opposition from PC george's constituency last time, so unless they loose significant votes this time in other parts of the constituency, it is hard for INC to loose.
 
Christians will never go with muslims and Hindus (they hate both communities; not religion, but their political parties muslim league and BJP). They go with Congress usually and rarely (some poor classes, not all) with communists, a total opportunist group.

But this time there is an added dimension of fights between different factions of churches. Orthodox christians for whom the Supreme Court order giving them control of churches from Yakobaya Sabha (they keep illegal control) was not enforced by state govt (communists) which has on the other hand been going out of its way to enforce Sabarimala court order. So some staunch Orthodox groups will vote BJP (again, not all) since they see the state govt as favoring the Yakobaya group (Congress on their last rule was also favouring the Yakobaya group).

Orthodox group is in majority in areas like Kottayam and nearby areas. And in good numbers in other areas (but not majority to Yakobaya group). Orthodox and yakobaya groups are the two biggest christain groups.

Anyway, malayaly christians are opportunists (even if economically really well off). Most don't vote thinking in terms of religion (but they keep a dislike nurtured by the churches against BJP and Muslim League). But you can expect some orthodox members (staunch Orthodox believers) to vote BJP/NOTA this time as an experiment to see if central govt+ state BJP leaders will put pressure on whatever state govt comes in to enforce church act (but you shouldn't expect this to be a trend since these staunch orthodox are actually very religious and will never turn pro-Hindu rastra in the long term). And BJP can use the turning over of churches to Orthodox to make them pro-BJP and remove the anti-Hindu-Parties bias. All of this is because of so much misinformation/preconceptions/perceptions regarding history, Hindu community, etc. BJP should aim to woo this group since they don't keep a hate mind towards Hindus (they are not rice bag converts who got converted in recent century but were there for 10-15 centuries and more). Orthodox group (and those that left orthodox group to yakobaya not including the new converts) should have least hate (and with a better chance to turn pro-Hindu) towards Hindus among all christian factions.

BJP should woo Orhtodox since BJP Hindus + pro-BJP Orthodox Chrisitans will help BJP chances in state. Orhtodox are well distributed all over kerala (except north kerala).


The only way BJP can even make Christians think of voting for BJP is by shutting up some loudmouths from Hindi belt for 10 years at least. BJP is viewed as ant-Christian political partly all across all the fractions of Christians in the state. And lets be honest, Christians view BJP as a political partly that is fundamentally against them because it is a political party that is fundamentally against them. Communists are against organized religions and had significant conflict with the church in the past. But still Christians don't mind voting for left now and then mostly because they don't overtly talk shit about the Christians over microphone every month.

You are correct on saying that the sense of dislike is for the political party and not for the religion. For example even if BJP field a Christian candidate and INC and LDF field non christian candidate in Christan majority constituencies, BJP is still gonna loose.
 
I can assure you that in J&K, Haryana, Delhi, Gujrat, MP, Rajasthan, UK, HP, Bihar, JK, Karnataka, Maharashtra & Goa, BJP will perform better than 2014. It will lose seats in CG, Punjab, UP, Andhra+Telangana & TN. But the loss of seats in these states will be just about 15-20 seats and and these seats will be made up from WB & Orrisa. I am looking at 65+ seats in UP now for BJP. This seat prediction is for BJP and not NDA. I still say that BJP will get majority on its own but NDA allies contribution will be lesser this time.
tamilnadu they will gain

last time they got only 1 seat.....
 
INC Candidate last time had 220,000 votes lead over BJP candidate in 2014 (BJP total votes was 138,954, LDF 302,651). PC George supporting NDA will have an effect on BJP votes however, that is not enough to get over the line.

Last year, PC George's was in UDF camp last time, but INC had almost 25,000 votes behind LDF candidate in his constituency (Not because of PC George, but peoples were against INC due to `Gadgil Committee` report so they voted left). In other words, INC won even with strong opposition from PC george's constituency last time, so unless they loose significant votes this time in other parts of the constituency, it is hard for INC to loose.

Christians votes may split this time which went to INC last time as CPM candidate too have good releations with them church. If this happens then there is a chance for NDA