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BlackOpsIndia said:
This election in UP so far is based on single point agenda, single issue - Modi.

Either you are voting for Modi or against Modi. Issues doesn't matter, if you support him you will find reasons to justify your vote, if you are against Modi you will find reasons to justify that, doesn't matter if those issues ever affected you or anyone or if you can even spell those heavy issues.

Amazing election, and as expected if you are wearing a cap or long beard and even a direct beneficiary and candidate you are voting made your life hell you are still going to vote against Modi.

Similarly if you are from upper caste younger voter you are going to vote Modi even when your preliminary exam result for recruitment is pending from 1.5 yr and whole Modi cabinet gives a damn, busy in designing Merchandise to collect funds and creating ads.

Issues be dammed, reasons be dammed, it is all reduced to single point - Modi. Thanks to excessive pandering to hard-line hindutva Muslims are first time after long getting consolidated and not splitting vote, BJP is going to pay for it, how much we will come to know soon, a lot of this damage was avoidable and there was an opening when Rahul became Janeudhari and shunned Muslim symbols altogether. Later after establishing himself as "hindu" with soft hindutva credentials he is back again with Muslim appeasement thereby getting support of Muslims and allaying fears of congress hindu supporters.

BJP on the other hand instead of utilizing this opening, blunting the consolidation went hyper hindu! Even after providing 10% reservation to Muslim nationwide under EWS, limiting violence and riots to standalone incidents they still were able present themselves as extreme Muslim hatred just by promoting motor mouth fools.

There was lot BJP could have done to reduce this election from being for and against Modi to Modi + development vs others but nothing was done. Only good thing for them is first time voter are voting for them and it's huge block, strangely that same voter was ignored, mocked and even insulted at times by BJP.
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If you want general trends, look at the turnout. If they are less than 2014 or equal to it, there isn't much anti incumbency. That, however, isn't s guarantee that the BJP will romp home.

On a different note, the Muslim population in Western UP is around 30 -35%. You can expect it to consolidate behind the SP+BSP. Where's the guarantee, however, that the SP+BSP's core constituents will support the combination? The SC's don't see eye to eye with the Yadavs and vice versa. Then there is the Congress & rebels of the combine to further complicate matters. This isn't a cut & dried affair by any yardstick. I think most of them victory margins in Western UP will be close except the RLD candidates.
 
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If you want general trends, look at the turnout. If they are less than 2014 or equal to it, there isn't much anti incumbency. That, however, isn't s guarantee that the BJP will romp home.

On a different note, the Muslim population in Western UP is around 30 -35%. You can expect it to consolidate behind the SP+BSP. Where's the guarantee, however, that the SP+BSP's core constituents will support the combination? The SC's don't see eye to eye with the Yadavs and vice versa. Then there is the Congress & rebels of the combine to further complicate matters. This isn't a cut & dried affair by any yardstick. I think most of them victory margins in Western UP will be close except the RLD candidates.
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There were so many issues, so many fault lines but it takes special skills to bury all them and take it all upon you. Modi vs All is favourable, Modi vs Rahul is even better but For Modi vs Against Modi is worst, the opposition will be happier side, lot of them were fighting for survival, maybe they will survive or atleast won't face the defeat that was very much on cards.
 
Milspec said:
One of the things that this government and the Spin Factory needs to be careful of how to characterize Bangladesh, Resolution of issues with our eastern neighbor have been on steady rise, and the ties have been at an all time high. Characterizing Bangladesh as an entity trying to poach WB from India or characterizing bengalis from Bangladesh in a negative light needs to be looked at carefully to ensure it doesn't undermine the relations cultivated by this government.

As of now, Bangladesh remains a nation which is closely aligned to India, where we have substantial political and economical engagement with better potential to expand upon.
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You forget that it was THIS Government that took relations with Bangladesh to the level they're at currently. Bangladesh is smart and mature enough to separate election rhetoric from substance. And there anyhow hasn't been as much smearing of Bangladesh the country, as attacking illegal Bangladeshi migrants who come to India and create a million different kinds of trouble.
 
randomradio said:
Among most Christians, the church decides who the sheep vote for.
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But Brahminism is to be despised. I love how the commies borrow Semitic terminogies. Proletariat = Pagans. Bourgeois = potential converts. Feudal elites = brahmins + upper class = feudal elites = class enemies = counter revolutionaries.

P. S - the Chinese went one better and replaced the entire Qing aristocracy with the proletarian and bourgeois converts. The ones holding the puppet strings in Beijing are all descendants of those proletariat + bourgeois revolutionaries aka the princelings.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
Issues be dammed, reasons be dammed, it is all reduced to single point - Modi. Thanks to excessive pandering to hard-line hindutva Muslims are first time after long getting consolidated and not splitting vote, BJP is going to pay for it
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People like this are fools. Massive fools.

No Muslims are no hive minds drones. And no! Even in UP Muslim votes are split. The popular narrative among Muslim women is more and more pro Modi and women's issues. This time, just like in assembly election there will be surprises. Heck, families don't know who voted for whom even among the members. I am personally asking every woman in my circle to vote for BJP. Muslim voting patterns are now more gender based rather than simple religious based.

I mean look at these :
No woman can vote for *censored*s like these

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And these!
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‘Hindutva terror’ acquittals expose India’s deeply compromised criminal justice system
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And this is exactly why they lost the Rafale case in the court. Because of the compromised justice system. Sure !

If the judgement agrees with their predetermined notion(removal of Article 377 for ex) then the courts are hailed as the pillar of democracy, messiah of god, beacon of liberalism, truth always comes out blah blah blah.....

If the judgement is against their predetermined notion(rafale case a prime example) then the courts are biased, courts don't understand fighter aircraft stuff, Modi has ruined our institutions, courts are compromised etc etc.

Remember that "Grapes are sour" story we read as kids ? Same thing here. Or as the psycology buffs will call it : "cognitive dissonance"
 
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And this is exactly why they lost the Rafale case in the court. Because of the compromised justice system. Sure !

If the judgement agrees with their predetermined notion(removal of Article 377 for ex) then the courts are hailed as the pillar of democracy, messiah of god, beacon of liberalism, truth always comes out blah blah blah.....

If the judgement is against their predetermined notion(rafale case a prime example) then the courts are biased, courts don't understand fighter aircraft stuff, Modi has ruined our institutions, courts are compromised etc etc.

Remember that "Grapes are sour" story we read as kids ? Same thing here. Or as the psycology buffs will call it : "cognitive dissonance"
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I don't think it's an open & shut case. I also don't share the view that Pragya Thakur should've got a ticket from the BJP. What's the larger message being sent out to India and the world by Modi? That Pakistan is a state sponsorer & supporter of terror while his own party has amongst its nominees / elected representatives people accused & prosecuted by the State of terror. It's one thing to be accused of political violence but terror is a red line which shouldn't be crossed.
 
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I also don't share the view that Pragya Thakur should've got a ticket from the BJP
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Totally agree here. Its like a game of Political oneupmanship and not in a good way. Its a race to the bottom. Indian politics has the highest concentration of convicts/ex-convicts/accused of serious crime type personalities. That can't happen in any other institute/organisation/industry in this country. Yet we let them continue on. If anything joining politics is the surest way of making sure your crimes aren't punished. Rahul Gandhi is on bail.:D

I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of the left/liberal types when they say Modi is destroying institutions and go on to accuse the courts of being biased/compromised at the same time they rejoice the removal of Article 377(which again I agree with) ordered by the same courts. The courts can't be both biased and a pillar of truth.
 
Cash for vote still happened ₹2000 per vote in cities, coming down to ₹250 - 500 in outskirts..

Illegal voting also happened, my friends vote casted be someone else..
He caste tender vote after filing 49B.

Police were busy arresting those who carried more that 50k.. in letter but not in spirit.

Disappointed.
 
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I don't think it's an open & shut case. I also don't share the view that Pragya Thakur should've got a ticket from the BJP. What's the larger message being sent out to India and the world by Modi? That Pakistan is a state sponsorer & supporter of terror while his own party has amongst its nominees / elected representatives people accused & prosecuted by the State of terror. It's one thing to be accused of political violence but terror is a red line which shouldn't be crossed.
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Rest of the world largely doesn't care about non-Islamic terrorism. As long as Hindutva terrorism stays local to India -- and by definition it has no reason to spill outside -- then the world outside of India has little reason to care. It's not something that can potentially threaten them.

On the other hand, Islamic terrorism threatens the entire world. No country, wether Muslims are a minority or a majority, is safe. Jihadists are sowing death and destruction in the rich North and in the poor South, in the West and in the East, in democracies and in dictatorships, in secular and in islamic countries, everywhere.

In the West, you've got only a small minority of people who are even aware that Hindutva terror is a thing. They're mostly the "woke" crowd who already hate Modi anyway because they accuse him of letting the Gujarat riots happen, so it's not like this latest article will change much; it'll just keep things fresh in their minds but that's all. They're not influential.
 
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Rest of the world largely doesn't care about non-Islamic terrorism. As long as Hindutva terrorism stays local to India -- and by definition it has no reason to spill outside -- then the world outside of India has little reason to care. It's not something that can potentially threaten them.

On the other hand, Islamic terrorism threatens the entire world. No country, wether Muslims are a minority or a majority, is safe. Jihadists are sowing death and destruction in the rich North and in the poor South, in the West and in the East, in democracies and in dictatorships, in secular and in islamic countries, everywhere.

In the West, you've got only a small minority of people who are even aware that Hindutva terror is a thing. They're mostly the "woke" crowd who already hate Modi anyway because they accuse him of letting the Gujarat riots happen, so it's not like this latest article will change much; it'll just keep things fresh in their minds but that's all. They're not influential.
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Are you of Indian origin, if I may ask?
 
A Person said:
Rest of the world largely doesn't care about non-Islamic terrorism. As long as Hindutva terrorism stays local to India -- and by definition it has no reason to spill outside -- then the world outside of India has little reason to care. It's not something that can potentially threaten them.

On the other hand, Islamic terrorism threatens the entire world. No country, wether Muslims are a minority or a majority, is safe. Jihadists are sowing death and destruction in the rich North and in the poor South, in the West and in the East, in democracies and in dictatorships, in secular and in islamic countries, everywhere.

In the West, you've got only a small minority of people who are even aware that Hindutva terror is a thing. They're mostly the "woke" crowd who already hate Modi anyway because they accuse him of letting the Gujarat riots happen, so it's not like this latest article will change much; it'll just keep things fresh in their minds but that's all. They're not influential.
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Hindutva Terrorism?? Hello?? Are you Rahul Gandhi or Digvijay Singh??
 
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The very same clod on the head which unhinged Momota and made her what she is has changed Tharoor for the better. He finally sees things for what they are. @RATHORE

You should get one on the head for clarity too. @Guynextdoor
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Not verified, but read in some authentic twitter source - That Sashi Tharoor filed an affidavit saying he does not believe in Hindu religion some time ago. And his visit to temple was for political milage. So God showed him his place.
 
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