Indian Political Discussion
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What do you think about Shiv Sena's call for Akhand Bharat?
If we play our cards right, and don't war with each other internally, and don't alienate millions of our own people, who we as a state have to carry anyways (sordid dreams of magical disappearance, mass reversions and/or cleansing notwithstanding), and manage to become a manufacturing sufficient nation, both in terms of civil and military consumption, then we don't need to be asking this question in another 15-20 years.
A ex-dharmic federation of nations will happen and is there fir the taking.
We are a far far way from that currently.
Cheers, Doc
When did this last happened in a overly religious, illiterate and poor society?
Our politics in near future (even more) will be driven by above said features of our people, we have to somehow meet our interest within our own limitations and in time, albeit the method may not deem ideal.
Ironically state interest don't drive the politics, we should be lucky if state interest gets align with political ones and the best we as a citizen can do is incentivise such moves by anyone.
China.
Their colonial tryst was always about 10 years behind us.
They are about 30 years ahead of us now.
20 if you are a hypernationslist sanghi.
Cheers, Doc
Not in the way we are or look at religion per se.
But equally backward, traditionalist, conservative, oppressed, subjugated, poor, downtrodden.
Religion means different things around the world.
Cheers, Doc
China always had one thing going for it that India did not.
Centralised leadership, politically, militarily, culturally.
That always meant that regardless of which dynasty was on top, and the racial swings between Han and Mongol, the land always remained Chinese.
Which is why they never had Islamic rule.
And the British only had maritime and mercantile control via the major port cities. With zero inroads inland into the cultural heartland.
Cheers, Doc
Centralised leadership, politically, militarily, culturally.
That always meant that regardless of which dynasty was on top, and the racial swings between Han and Mongol, the land always remained Chinese.
Which is why they never had Islamic rule.
And the British only had maritime and mercantile control via the major port cities. With zero inroads inland into the cultural heartland.
Cheers, Doc
So China is not the "right" argument. Or we can conclude religion to be the reason India lagging behind China.
Do we have any example in modern era where religion comes out as a strength and economic driver of any nation?
Religion (or common dharmic culture) should actually be the binder for us as common culture is for the Chinese.
But we are not one people. Racially or ethnically or even politically through history.
The Chinese were. And they have been used to (culturally programmed) to live under a central authority.
Such is very new to us.
Being Indian itself is very new to us.
Chalk and cheese actually.
Cheers, Doc
The concept is sound.
But the way it's been evolving, probably hijacked, is not.
When the BJP website had pieces by stalwarts like Atal ji and Advani ji talking about Hindutva as cultural nationalism, Doc was an apex hypersanghi.
When they came to power we discovered what Hindutva really meant.
And for whom it was.
And who were not included.
Evolution of a sanghi.
Cheers, Doc
I fully agree, thus China being homogeneous have limited fault lines and we being too diverse are exposed to divisive politics. Religion is a good weapon to divide, at least one more than China.
So we have to grow with our own limitations. The problem is if religion is used to unite people for a cause, the same induce fear in other religions polarization and insecurities are too much to handle. We are just short of a "lost case".
What was the problem in inclusive cultural nationalism versus what we got .... exclusive Hindu nationalism?
Did uniting a billion automatically have to mean alienation of the rest?
Cheers, Doc
Then you must know of the cure for it as well doc. People are naturally inclined for a change and that get them too excited, time resets the excitement, maturity make more grey cells working.
One decade more and this generation will find an optimal way of doing things.
yes....new benchmark...CHINA. Now let's bring a Hindu Mao to do another cultural revolution.
Sadly it happens this way only. Reasons are plenty which me and you have already written in our posts.
I do not want to bash religion more, bandar ke haath mai ustara hai.
One decade?
We want to kill 200 million Muslims yesterday ....
Or in the meantime at least disenfranchise them and ideally strip them of their dignity.
Cheers, Doc