You are neither a south Indian or north Indian, but yet you wade into a debate who intricacies you have no appreciation for and to make matters worse for you, you end up with labeling and name calling. You sir are a poor specimen for man equipped with the facilities of critical thinking. We all have opinions about others, while education, critical reasoning, lifetime of experiences temper those those opinions to be more informed. Lack a critical faculties, on the other hand, sour your opinion to be ill informed, prejudiced and easily swayed by opinions other than one own. You sir appear to be in the latter category. I beseech you to take your recommendation on not responding on this subject rather more generously.
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You are neither a south Indian or north Indian, but yet you wade into a debate who intricacies you have no appreciation for and to make matters worse for you, you end up with labeling and name calling. You sir are a poor specimen for man equipped with the facilities of critical thinking. We all have opinions about others, while education, critical reasoning, lifetime of experiences temper those those opinions to be more informed. Lack a critical faculties, on the other hand, sour your opinion to be ill informed, prejudiced and easily swayed by opinions other than one own. You sir appear to be in the latter category. I beseech you to take your recommendation on not responding on this subject rather more generously.
First let it happen, one of your closet Communist is yet to provide free Wifi to Delhi while Indian Railways, even municipalities in Delhi provided it without any election sloganeering.
But you said giving freebie is bad. We should remove sickular commie tendencies
Rafale deal: SC crashes hopes for court-monitored probe, political row takes flight on Justice Joseph's note
In what has been hailed as a win by the BJP government, the bench also made certain scathing remarks on the plea itself -- "It does appear that the endeavour of the petitioners is to construe themselves as an appellate authority to determine each aspect of the contract and call upon the Court to do the same.." the Supreme Court observed.
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These Scoundrels like Prashant Bhushan should be WHIPPED
In what has been hailed as a win by the BJP government, the bench also made certain scathing remarks on the plea itself -- "It does appear that the endeavour of the petitioners is to construe themselves as an appellate authority to determine each aspect of the contract and call upon the Court to do the same.." the Supreme Court observed.
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These Scoundrels like Prashant Bhushan should be WHIPPED
Highest clown of clowns, the point is if 20%-30% of population have much higher TFR than the 70-80%...what is that going to do to the 100% average?
Most of the overall decline now is coming from that groups declining TFR given their much higher TFR and population growth. You can see there is roughly a 30 year lag (rate of growth of one in 2011 is roughly the rate of the other in 1981) between the two demographic phase wise:
If UP and Bihar TFR is now hovering around 3...with this in mind what you think the Hindu TFR vs Muslim TFR is in those parts? Then apply your initial argument consistently.....or change that argument with this context now......or clown-whinge and run away as usual. Honk Honk.
Fools, idiots, absurd mindeds can't see that government servants in many ministries are still looting India and you people are discussing nonsensical issues. You guys should stop this idiocy and focus on the real issues.
As a south indian, I find this completely offensive!! You make it sound like southern states in India are mere shadow existence that it'll cease to exist if Hindi is taught (by the way where did you get this idea of this "imposing") or people learn some other language. Brother please!!! I never saw Hindi being imposed anywhere, it was always a choice. Even in my case where I learned in Dhakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Hindi/Sanskrit/Malayalam were options!! Hindi was a favorite language in my batch and in my family and extended family, we used to sit late to watch Hindi movies in Doordarshan. So you can stop this bullshi of Hindi being imposed.
Regarding funds allocation, only Kerala is always seen cocking for funds. A state is not meant to move forward on central funds but rather expected to generate wealth itself. Kerala has so far managed because of inflows of funds from expats. All these time communists and congress was allowed to destroy industries here and make entrepreneurs run out to start businesses. This is the fault of the state. Watch and learn from Tamil Nadu which is second in national GDP despite having shortage of resources including water!! Instead of blaming center for everything, maybe people should start voting more responsible governments. Let's say even if fund allocation was unfair, how do you think the fund will be managed in a state like kerala?? Just look at the corruption in case of Vytilla bridges and the Metro rail funds (Sreedaran Pillai or DMRC being kept out) being looted by state govt. This is the state of Kerala and you are saying lack of funds is the problem?? No your corruption is the problem!! No one trusts Kerala with so much funds because we all know how it'll get spent. TN, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh have on the other hand created prosperous ecosystem.
Maybe you should take your leftist propaganda elsewhere, because as a southerner who's very southern also in mentality, I find this completely offensive and baseless!!
yeah, trend watching jackass broke down the same numbers by state he would see that both Hindus and Muslims have high tfr in north and both have low tfr in the south. DO NOT TALK NUMBERS CASUALLY WITH ME You STUPIDGIRIS , I’m way better at it than you. You can’t fib with me.
Like how Pakistanis claim they’re Indians, now north dudes claim they’re south dudes. Come to Tamil Nadu and ask how much they love north. Better still come to Karnataka and try talking to auto driver in Hindi. You will get tough love.
I could reply to you, but then I do not reply to troll posts.
No I truly urge you to tell the members of Kannada Rakshana Vedike that hindi is not imposed. While doing that tell this to an average auto driver, taxi driver or shopkeeper anywhere in Karnataka the same thing. They need to be told.
BTW I suggest you do a lot of athletic practice before you do this...you know runnins/ cycling etc.
Stereotyping, subtle insults and patronizing tone. One should not try to prove themselves superior if they are by luck gets a geographical location well suited for making more money while having other territories isolate them from evil. The only difference south has with north is money, rest comes as a byproduct of having more money. On critical and progressive thinking, we all know how tough is to convince a educated southie to eat with a spoon or sabrimala.
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I agree , north is known for....critical and....progressive...thinking, and our bihari bhayyas..eat with...spoons
On sabarimala also I agree wth you, despite BJPs consistent efforts to prevent women from entering the temple, the southies are pushing forward with unrpogressive plans to let them in.
Now let me guess, while the above statement positively states that the north is known for progressive and critical thinking, you will still call it trying to declare southern supermacy.
That's shows your extreme prowess in critical thinking.
If I say south is not that well a society either with no drawbacks that it start patronizing others, does this statement mean north is?
@S. A. T. A were you talking of this level of critical reasoning?
So is it BJP holding the local progressive women to visit Sabrimala despite Court verdict?
Let me build my own case, argue with my own and declare me a winner.
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Now listen, there is a reason why I quoted his post and not yours. There is a reason why I had to cite these two examples to him. And there is a reason why I wont cite any further examples or try further to show not so beautiful aspects of south.
@Ashwin @nair
now let me get this logic straight
You say I'm a troll who repeatedly fuels north vs south debates. Ok, accepted.
But the 'mod' here in question has made the following statements over multiple statements:
(South Indians must) remember who their paymasters are
(South Indians cannot be taught to eat with spoons- we all know how they can't do that
and innumerable other comments
I, Anonnymous, Nilgiri and Stepehen Cohen, Countryfirst etc. have made many similar comments. But we are members who have declared support for one constituency or the other. We are not masquerading as neutral moderators while simultaenously indulging in regional flamebaiting.
I THEREFORE REPEAT- TAKE AWAY HIS MODERATING POWERS AND TURN HIM BACK INTO A MEMBER. SET SOMEONE ELSE UP IN HIS PLACE.
His presence is an embarrasment to the forum. He lacks credibility and his 'moderation' has no respect here.
now let me get this logic straight
You say I'm a troll who repeatedly fuels north vs south debates. Ok, accepted.
But the 'mod' here in question has made the following statements over multiple statements:
(South Indians must) remember who their paymasters are
(South Indians cannot be taught to eat with spoons- we all know how they can't do that
and innumerable other comments
I, Anonnymous, Nilgiri and Stepehen Cohen, Countryfirst etc. have made many similar comments. But we are members who have declared support for one constituency or the other. We are not masquerading as neutral moderators while simultaenously indulging in regional flamebaiting.
I THEREFORE REPEAT- TAKE AWAY HIS MODERATING POWERS AND TURN HIM BACK INTO A MEMBER. SET SOMEONE ELSE UP IN HIS PLACE.
His presence is an embarrasment to the forum. He lacks credibility and his 'moderation' has no respect here.
Your exact statement was way more than just saying SOuth has drawbacks
The only difference south has with north is money, rest comes as a byproduct of having more money. On critical and progressive thinking, we all know how tough is to convince a southie to eat with a spoon or sabrimala.
Yes. With threats of beatings and violence BTW
You go ahead and show whatever you want with full freedom....as a normal member.
Let me break it down for your ease then.
The only difference south has with north is money - That means I am of opinion that we (all Indians) as a society and ethics are same, money is the difference
rest comes as a byproduct of having more money - By Rest I meant education, progression and all other "goodies" south can claim on having a advantage on North.
Shallow argument. These "progressive" traditions were part of south long before BJP even existed. Only if you are suggesting that its BJP ideology women and men opposing sabrimala entry for woman.
This is what you got from my comment?
As a normal member and Indian, I wont comment on things which can cause discomfort within an inclusive Indian society and create divides. The limited remark I made was just to provide a hint to quoted member that south is not devoid of non pragmatic thinking so he should stop patronizing.
I quoted him and not you because of my humble believe in his ability to take it in a good stride.
Why not you? You are a lost case.
This is so cute.I don't have moderating powers, your continuous rant on this thread is a proof.
My Friend you are free abandon your mother tongue and culture and adopt a alien culture and language. That is your individual choice. You seem clueless about the striking difference personal choice to learn Hindi versus a govt using national fund to promote a particular language to the detriment of the other.
Please read the report below. In 2016-2017 Kerala's allocation for central sponsored schemes has been an abysmal Rs 70 crores, which incidentally is the lowest in a long time. Under the blue revolution projects launched in 2016 for ensuring integrated development of the fisheries sector, Kerala, a state with a 560-km coastal line received just Rs 11.5 crore in 2017-18, whereas Uttarakhand, with no coast, got Rs 10 crore. Kerala's spectacular ranking in the Human development index and its sterling social development performance have been achieved under conditions where it has received little no central govt. Meanwhile North Indian states like Bihar and UP have received disproportionate amount of central govt funds languish at the bottom of the Human development index. I can understand and do empathize that Backward societies like UP and Bihar need much more hand holding than more developed societies like Kerala, but this overt step motherly treatment of Kerala must be stopped.
Why Kerala gets a raw deal from the Centre | India Today Insight
Political discrimination, small state handicaps or systemic failure, whatever the cause data shows that Central allocation and budgetary provisions for Kerala have been going down over the years
The land of spices and protests is gearing up for another lengthy agitation. And this time because the state feels Delhi is not giving it its due. The CPI(M)-led Left Democratic Front (LDF) government in Kerala feels a vindictive Narendra Modi government is withholding funds and "throttling" the development of the state.
The LDF is organising a state-level protest on August 6, but the truth is Union governments in the past too have been fickle overlords. Even when the Congress-led United Democratic Front was ruling the state during the days of UPA-2, Kerala still never got its due. Congress chief minister Oommen Chandy could not protest openly, but there were enough grumbling noises and protest memos.
Now new data from the Comptroller and Auditor General's office shows that grants for Central plan schemes to the state went down to a low of Rs 71 crore in 2016-17. The years 2014-15 and 2015-16 were slightly better, with Rs 158 cr and Rs 170 crore respectively. That said, non-plan grants used to compensate earlier. From 2011 to 2014, Kerala received grants of over Rs 1,000 crore under centrally sponsored schemes. Since the NDA government took over, even these grants have come down by 35 per cent.
Divya S. Iyer, director at the Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (MNREGA) in the state, attributes the low funding listed in the CAG report to the direct benefit transfer (DBT) scheme where money goes to programme beneficiaries directly. "Earlier, only a limited few with job cards received wages through electronic transfers to their accounts. Since 2018, almost all wages are credited to their accounts," Divya explained. In fact, MNREGA saved Kerala after the floods as the state effectively used it to get grants (Kerala and Tamil Nadu have the maximum utilisation; women's participation is above 90 per cent in the state).
According to S.M Vijayanand , former chief secretary and an expert on rural development, the state gets a better deal from central governments in social sectors - ICDS projects, Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan, National Rural Health Mission and MNREGA. "Where we are being sidelined is infrastructure development. When it comes to development of railways, national highways, inland waterways, Central PSUs and research organisations, Kerala's demands/ requirements are often ignored," explains Vijayanand.
He says Kerala has failed to design a follow-up mechanism in getting plan and non-plan funds or submitting novel projects in priority areas where mega funding or grants are allocated by the Union government.
Dr K.M. Abraham, CEO of the Kerala Infrastructure Investment Fund Board (KIIFB) and former chief secretary, puts it all down to politics. "Kerala is politically and economically weak. We have only 20 MPs and economically we are no power house. Our neighbours like Tamil Nadu and Karnataka are economically strong and can collectively bargain for the development of the state. They also have a strong industrial lobby which can put pressure on the Union Government and demand a higher share," he says.
Abraham has managed the state's finance during both UDF and LDF stints and feels that the Centre's scrapping of the Planning Commission has made Kerala's position even more disadvantageous. "Central plan assistance is at a minimum now and grants for central schemes have also been cut down. Now the Centre allocates funds on priority schemes, which is less relevant to a state like Kerala. So the cut in Kerala's central budgetary allocation may continue forever. The state will have to develop alternative financial resources to fund its development projects," says Abraham.
It's also not easy for Kerala to raise its own resources without the Centre's support. Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan knows that he has limited options and has tried to smooth things over with the Modi government. He's been careful not to speak against the prime minister nor vent his animosity for the BJP. Even then, the Centre has put up hurdles, a case in point being obstructing the UAE aid for the state after the deluge in August 2018 and sabotaging the state cabinet's travel plans to meet the global Malayali diaspora in 11 nations.
Vijayan too contributed to the situation after the floods. He made a blunder by announcing UAE aid for the state based on information given to him by the powerful NRI billionaire, M.A. Yusuf Ali. "The CM didn't take into account the political undertones while making the announcement. After the prime minister had visited the flood-affected areas accompanied by Vijayan, the Centre had announced Rs 500 crore as a first instalment for relief and rehabilitation works. The next day, the chief minister announced the UAE aid of Rs 700 crore. The PMO probably felt slighted--they intervened in the matter and invoked existing policy guidelines against states approaching foreign governments for relief. Vijayan should have consulted the Centre before making the foreign aid announcement. The 'diplomatic error' denied Kerala an opportunity to get aid from the UAE," says a senior civil servant.
The chief minister has been pushing pending the infrastructure projects in the state since he took over. The GAIL pipeline project, delayed by more than 10 years, is now complete. Over 99 per cent of the work on the Koodankulam power transmission line is also over. Kochi Metro too met with minimum delays.
What has not made much headway is the Smart City projects in Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram. Even after four years, the Kochi smart city project remains in limbo. So too the case of doubling of railway tracks in the state. Work on the Shoranur-Thiruvananthapuram stretch started 25 years ago and is still not complete. Lack of funds and delay in land acquisitions have delayed the projects.
The situation is compounded by the Left's dwindled numbers in the Lok Sabha. It has only one CPI(M) MP from the state in the lower house.
If the situation continues as it is, Kerala will be in a financial crisis soon. It also needs big money to tide over the fallout of the deluge that destroyed the state in August 2018.
Some of its grievances are genuine too. The national highway widening is a major area where the state got a raw deal despite the sympathetic attitude of Union minister Nitin Gadkari. Even after handing over 992 hectares of land for widening of 1781.5 km of NHs in the state, NHAI delayed tender proceedings. In the past 14 years, NHAI has constructed just 256 km roads in Kerala.
Fisheries is another area where the state can't catch a break. Under the blue revolution projects launched in 2016 for ensuring integrated development of the fisheries sector, Kerala, a state with a 560-km coastal line received just Rs 11.5 crore in 2017-18 when neighbouring Tamil Nadu was allocated Rs 110 crore. Uttarakhand, with no coast, got Rs 10 crore. Is it any wonder that God's own country is fuming?