Indian Political Discussion

Arvind said:
@S. A. T. A @Deathstar

This whole debate on whether Hindi should be an official national language need to be broken in two steps and in below sequence -
1. Does having a common lingua franca help in nation building? Is it advantageous in a way that it creates homogeneity and bind masses to a common goal or it doesn't make any difference? What examples we have to support or discard this notion?
2. Only if the answer to point #1 is "Yes, common language will help" comes the question of selecting language to be national one. In that case, the natural inclination will be toward a language spoken and understood by majority and thus reducing time and effort in promoting the common language. What else could be an answer in a democracy?

So Gents, what's your take on #1?
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Debate isnt about Hindi as national language. No single language can be a national language as per the constitution.
As per the consititution Hindi with devnagari script is the official language of the Union government but post 1960s anti Hindi agitation , English use continued.
The consititution has specifically mentioned progressive use of Hindi and reduce usage of English. Article 344. But official language act of 1963 allowed usage of English.
Common lingua franca does has its advantages.
- easy communication , sense of fraternity and unbreakable bond , help in nation building.
But i dont think theres an effort ongoing to force Hindi on non Hindi speakers.
Reservations held by non Hindi speakers were addressed in 1960s itself.
IMHO current opposition to Hindi is only a political tool rather than any genuine issue

Also Governments policy was of a 3 language formula , Hindi , English and regional language.
If u study in CBSE school , u have no choice but to learn Hindi isnt it.
As Hindi is the most common language spoken in india by almost 70% people (including as secondary language) ,A basic understanding of it for sake of communication will help a lot.
On the other hand promotion of English will address concerns of those who wish to use English.
Hindi speakers have option of choosing any other regional language hence this will promote regional languages which were anyways limited to that region itself.
For eg someone from Bihar might choose Tamil or Telugu or Marathi.
Government never barred anyone from learning their mother tongue.
Anyways the draft education policy has been changed owing to protests from some states
 
SS will get 16 minister positions in new govt. They have a total of 56 MLAs. 2/3 rd is 38 MLAs to break up without inviting provisions of anti defection act. And BJP has 105 MLAs and another 13 who broke away from BJP and got elected as Independents as they were denied tickets. So, if BJP breaks SS, they will have a govt with 156 MLAs.
105 is a figure which does not suit BJP. They had same number in Karnataka and also MP.
 
A farmer has 5 son, when they grew up he divided his land into 5 parts and gave in trust to them. One got land near the highway, well connected and prospect for commercial shops and all, 2nd got a land that contained a mineral mine, 3rd one got a land with tubewell and canal nearby, 4th and 5th got somewhat baren land, far from roads and water resources and they have to pay for water to logistics and all thereby leaving little to nothing at times.

The farmer after seeing it's not justified distribution started collecting money from all 5 son and then distribute it to ones at disadvantage due to geography and other factors. Replace farmer with India and son with various states of India you will get some logical answer to this "rich states vs poor states", only in this case the states benefited with geography can keep most of the extra earning to themselves still never stop playing victim.

Ironically the same lot of high HDI, liberal, genius, progressive intellectuals here hate this arrangement and want more money even when they pay same rate of tax as those in poor states. Natural resources though comes under government for fair and just distribution these people somehow has twisted notion that they own the mines, the ports, the trade routes, everything so they must be paid more.

Justice, equality, rationality, social and economic justice are all keywords used by the same warriors all day long. These words means zilch when it comes to them paying but when extorting from others these are issues of life and death.


Still wonder why lefty ideology is reduced to pure hypocrisy and they are losing everywhere? Look no where some live examples here. Frauds.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
A farmer has 5 son, when they grew up he divided his land into 5 parts and gave in trust to them. One got land near the highway, well connected and prospect for commercial shops and all, 2nd got a land that contained a mineral mine, 3rd one got a land with tubewell and canal nearby, 4th and 5th got somewhat baren land, far from roads and water resources and they have to pay for water to logistics and all thereby leaving little to nothing at times.

The farmer after seeing it's not justified distribution started collecting money from all 5 son and then distribute it to ones at disadvantage due to geography and other factors. Replace farmer with India and son with various states of India you will get some logical answer to this "rich states vs poor states", only in this case the states benefited with geography can keep most of the extra earning to themselves still never stop playing victim.

Ironically the same lot of high HDI, liberal, genius, progressive intellectuals here hate this arrangement and want more money even when they pay same rate of tax as those in poor states. Natural resources though comes under government for fair and just distribution these people somehow has twisted notion that they own the mines, the ports, the trade routes, everything so they must be paid more.

Justice, equality, rationality, social and economic justice are all keywords used by the same warriors all day long. These words means zilch when it comes to them paying but when extorting from others these are issues of life and death.


Still wonder why lefty ideology is reduced to pure hypocrisy and they are losing everywhere? Look no where some live examples here. Frauds.
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Tamilnadu is not giving any extra taxes to central govt. They are wasting the taxes in subsidies post GST.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
A farmer has 5 son, when they grew up he divided his land into 5 parts and gave in trust to them. One got land near the highway, well connected and prospect for commercial shops and all, 2nd got a land that contained a mineral mine, 3rd one got a land with tubewell and canal nearby, 4th and 5th got somewhat baren land, far from roads and water resources and they have to pay for water to logistics and all thereby leaving little to nothing at times.

The farmer after seeing it's not justified distribution started collecting money from all 5 son and then distribute it to ones at disadvantage due to geography and other factors. Replace farmer with India and son with various states of India you will get some logical answer to this "rich states vs poor states", only in this case the states benefited with geography can keep most of the extra earning to themselves still never stop playing victim.

Ironically the same lot of high HDI, liberal, genius, progressive intellectuals here hate this arrangement and want more money even when they pay same rate of tax as those in poor states. Natural resources though comes under government for fair and just distribution these people somehow has twisted notion that they own the mines, the ports, the trade routes, everything so they must be paid more.

Justice, equality, rationality, social and economic justice are all keywords used by the same warriors all day long. These words means zilch when it comes to them paying but when extorting from others these are issues of life and death.


Still wonder why lefty ideology is reduced to pure hypocrisy and they are losing everywhere? Look no where some live examples here. Frauds.
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I read first line and then didn't read the rest because it was boring.
vstol Jockey said:
Tamilnadu is not giving any extra taxes to central govt. They are wasting the taxes in subsidies post GST.
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Nope.
 
Arvind said:
Just read your last couple of lines and that will help you understand why your commentary on northern state doesn't sound as constructive criticism but more of rubbing in a wrong way no matter how much you try to subtle the mockery, in response to "snide" remarks. Lets not try passing this "better than thou" arguments as some genuine discussion to come up with solutions for some lagging states. Moreover South is not German for North, may be a notch or two higher but infested with similar societal bane.

I am only asking to be humble in your success and be a participant in others success.
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well others can help by not being intrusive. You think 'Hindi Imposition' is only theoretical?

There is a logic to it and it is not only regional chauvanism. When uneducated masses migrate from UP/ Bihar, they automatically create issues in local workforce who believe outsiders are pitcing for their jobs. This is pretty problematic until the BJP tries to milk it by making sure that all name boards are converted into Hindi and educaiton of Hindi is prioritieed over other languages. UP guy sees that centre is making all India a big UP and making it easy for him to operate by making everyone speak Hindi and starts voting for him enmasse.

I don't have any issues giving this grudge of south indians legitimacy. If a southie goes to the north, he doesn't ask the northy to learn Tamil for him to operate well in Delhi. He learns Hindi. So Kannadiga guys say learn kannada.

Plus, only 30% -40% of Indians speak hindi, how can a language spoken by less than half the population become 'lingua franca', especially if it has no use except let a few jokers make political points.

Majoroty of Indians won't learn Hindi if it isn't their mother tongue. ButEnglish- Even hindi speakers want to learn them because it is imternational and opens doors. So, english is national language/ lingua franca.
 
CountryFirst said:
I could reply to you, but then I do not reply to troll posts.
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Its' a leftie degenerate that one. No point. He can break up country into north and south and whichever which way suits him for some "trend". But other ways are suddenly unacceptable to do....because it raises questions and contexts it would rather not have raised.

Either breaking up and apply to everyone consistently, or dont break up and try understand context everywhere. Each would at least be a worthy conversation.

But this one breaks up and applies selectively and inconsistently (according to its own degenerate confirmation bias)....likely according to whatever bottle of hooch it sewered itself on the previous night.

A hypocrite and stain on this forum...it is why stench of anti-nationalism is never far behind them. Its Maino-worship clan got the boot and its butthurt about that on top. I am glad the reality will continue to give no worth to this clown's degenerate feelings.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Tamilnadu is not giving any extra taxes to central govt. They are wasting the taxes in subsidies post GST.
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I promised not to contribute to this debate anymore, but just set the record straight...

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S. A. T. A said:
Point was blow away the argument that TN doesn't pay anything extra. Of course it does. Does UP get extra, of course it does.
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The Fallacy in such arguments is that It is NOT the States which are getting Taxed

It is Individuals and Companies which pay Taxes

Wealthy Individuals and Companies are Concentrated in a Few States and Cities
 
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Do people here know that ALL Banks in India Collect Deposits and Savings from All over the Country

They have been doing so for 70 years Now

BUT when it Comes To LENDING money for Private Sector , Most Lending is Cornered by the Already DEVELOPED STATES

Why is it so

Because the Private Sector investments
In Industrial and Commercial Activities and projects located in the Backward states is very low And has been Low even
In the past 70 years
 
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In the last year or So , We have been reading Such Articles which imply that South is Feeding the North

That is Not the case

All Divisible Revenue gets Shared between Centre and States in a Formula suggested
By the Finance Commission

Now the State Governments in Backward States are already having less Resources

So there is No Choice for the Centre
It has to Support the poorer States

Central Government can Print And Borrow Money

States can only Borrow money

So Naturally the Resources of the Central Govt will always be more

But on the other hand Central Government has Much more Financial Liabilities and Commitments
 
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NORTH EAST and KASHMIR are the Real Culprits when it Comes to Wasting Money

But Blaming them is Against the Principles
Of Secularism
 
S. A. T. A said:
I promised not to contribute to this debate anymore, but just set the record straight...
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UP needs to get its s**t together. The south can’t pay for idiot policies for ever.

Having said that - remember that India is a country only because we inherited one civilization. The roots of that civilization lie mostly in the areas that are now the most poverty struck and backward. They bacame backward due to facing relentless attacks from barbarian invaders. Some 80 million people were killed in that area during the centuries of invasion - one of the largest blood lettings of history. The invaders destroyed the accumulated knowledge of that culture and tried to replace it with one single book written by much inferior nomadic culture.

Like Europeans feel a sense of obligation to Greece despite their current economic dire straits, we have an obligation to what used to be the heartland of Indian civilization.

Not to subsidize them forever, but to acknowledge that they were once a center for Indian contribution to the world and they are now a destroyed people trying to get up again.
 
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