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Sorry to disagree but Mahajan was never a mass leader. He was a superb organiser, fund raiser, back room operator, master strategist, etc. There's no way he would ever be a PM. If Sushma Swaraj with a better electoral track record & charisma couldn't make it what chance would PM with a pathetic electoral track record have ? He'd have made a very able aide to Modi. Much better than the present lot.
Sushma was a complete failure and she owes her rise only to the Ravan ka kunba which was led by Advani and had Gadhaa kari as Kumbhakaran with Rajnath as Meghnath. None of them would have ever become what they did had it not been for Modi. Mahajan was no-3 in BJP in times of Atal Bihari Chaarpayi. Yes, Chaarpayi.
 
If he is sick shouldn't he resign and take rest? If it was any other ministry like finance it would have been ok to slow things down, economy can recover later but internal security is too consuming a job. Individual should never go above country, not Modi not Shah ji, atleast not in nationalistic parties because enemy won't wait till you recover to hurt India.
i see what you did there. badly want him our of office for whatever reason eh? we dont know he is ill, just based on speculation of some forward on whatsapp. LOL

My 2 cents on Amit Shah - he is a better home minister to take the tough decisions - and he will end his tenure that way. someone has to take all the unpopular decisions, take the blame in public or the media. the guy is getting old and HM is a massive undertaking for a country like India. it will have its effects. but he has done a tremendous job so far - art 370 was a real master stroke the way it was handled. no matter what, this was agreed in spirit across party lines as every one believed this needed to be done but did not have the guts to do it.

well, he did it. and the astute political brain is for all to see as well.

if the left has the universities, the congress has the media , the BJP has the political brain/mass leader in Amit Shah. the playing field has been leveled.
 
i see what you did there. badly want him our of office for whatever reason eh? we dont know he is ill, just based on speculation of some forward on whatsapp. LOL
Please re read first line of my reply, if it's too much just read first word.

he is a better home minister to take the tough decisions - and he will end his tenure that way. someone has to take all the unpopular decisions, take the blame in public or the media.
Please name one unpopular decision taken. Removal of Art. 370 was not unpopular btw, it has across the board support from Indian public and even political parties.

Unpopular decision was crushing Jihadis before they choked National Capital and killed over 100 in India. Was it done? Or did he chickened out because media will print on first page. In recent memory there hasn't been a single HM who was so scared of media that he let country burned instead of getting hands dirty.

Super corrupt Congress directly attacked Ramdev who was protesting in Ram Leela maidan, hurting no one, yet Congress attacked women and kids in midnight. Nobody has ever been so scared of media like him.

Unpopular karenge ye:rolleyes:

he has done a tremendous job so far
Of course getting National Capital burned down after decades is nothing short of tremendous, to add cherry to the cake he achieved it when US President was on state visit, rare achievement that.
 
How come this wasn't done before?
Nobody promised to do it except BJP, they didn't do it in two terms before. Its removal has massive support from Indian public.

Caa was unpopular too.
Yeah, though it was a small bill, Shah still was able to a make a mess both by its speech inside house and outside. The misinformation campaign about CAA was launched by Shah himself which opposition took forward and then he failed miserably on internal security front like none other in recent history.

CAA exposed his competence as Home Minister. He maybe good party chief, good at dealing with corporates, fund raising, buying MLA when needed but so far as a Home Minister his track record is nothing short of disaster for India. Be it Tablighi Markaz, JNU Violence, fake news by NDTV and cousins, incitement of violence in Shaheen Bagh, the list of failures is long, very long in his short period as minister.
 
Nobody promised to do it except BJP, they didn't do it in two terms before. Its removal has massive support from Indian public.
no body even promised it despite support from public. I wonder why? pandering to what? why only one party promised it and completed it? and it dint do in the two terms before you need numbers in both houses. good try at trying to blame them though.

why hasnt this been implements in absolute majority times? Indra Ganghi, Rajiv Gandhi who had full sway?


Yeah, though it was a small bill, Shah still was able to a make a mess both by its speech inside house and outside. The misinformation campaign about CAA was launched by Shah himself which opposition took forward and then he failed miserably on internal security front like none other in recent history.

CAA exposed his competence as Home Minister. He maybe good party chief, good at dealing with corporates, fund raising, buying MLA when needed but so far as a Home Minister his track record is nothing short of disaster for India. Be it Tablighi Markaz, JNU Violence, fake news by NDTV and cousins, incitement of violence in Shaheen Bagh, the list of failures is long, very long in his short period as minister.
again, no other party has promised this despite talking big in the parliament. only this govt has done it, again, could have been done by previous absolute majority govts. but hasnt been done.

you want cherry pick on things that are not related to the actual bill then thats up to you. CAA has passed, no amount of protests could and will change that.
Art 370 has passed. no whining or winging can change that.

no other dispensation has been able to promise such high profile items and completed it.
 
again, no other party has promised this despite talking big in the parliament. only this govt has done it, again, could have been done by previous absolute majority govts. but hasnt been done
no body even promised it despite support from public. I wonder why? pandering to what? why only one party promised it and completed it? and it dint do in the two terms before you need numbers in both houses. good try at trying to blame them though
why hasnt this been implements in absolute majority times? Indra Ganghi, Rajiv Gandhi who had full sway?
no other dispensation has been able to promise such high profile items and completed it.
Are you serious? Do you read what you are saying? Why will they do it when it's not in their agenda?!! Next you will say why Congress didn't bring POTA. How does it even make sense?

Parties try to implement what they put in their manifesto, not whats in opposition manifesto, what's so hard to understand?!
 
Are you serious? Do you read what you are saying? Why will they do it when it's not in their agenda?!! Next you will say why Congress didn't bring POTA. How does it even make sense?

Parties try to implement what they put in their manifesto, not whats in opposition manifesto, what's so hard to understand?!
why dint congress put thison the manifesto when according to your own words, this was supported by majority of the Indians?
Nobody promised to do it except BJP, they didn't do it in two terms before. Its removal has massive support from Indian public.

so why hasn congress done this "massively supported" issue?
 
why dint congress put thison the manifesto when according to your own words, this was supported by majority of the Indians?


so why hasn congress done this "massively supported" issue?
Because this is against their ideology, they were the one who inserted those articles, it also antagonize their 15% vote share across the country which is make and break for them.
 
Why foreign media loves anti-BJP, champagne socialists as columnists

Op-eds of The New York Times, The Washington Post, Gulf News, The Guardian and others are mostly written by Modi-hating Indians like Rana Ayyub and Swati Chaturvedi.

By Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
7 May, 2020 8:38 am IST
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The front pages of Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and New York Times covering the protests. Twitter : @RanaAyyub

BJP-ruled India has an op-ed shaped global problem. Ever since Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power in 2014, his domestic critics have found new shores to launch their attacks from. These include The Washington Post, The New York Times, Gulf News, The Guardian, and Foreign Affairs, among others.

The problem has only deepened in the Modi government’s second term wherein the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and the dilution of Article 370 revoking Jammu and Kashmir’s special status were enacted.

So, why is it that only a certain point of view gets aired in allegedly “liberal” bastions like The New York Times? Or only negative stories about India make it to The Guardian? Why is it that The Washington Post’s standards of proof and fact-checking required for Indian claims of hitting Balakot in Pakistan are never applied in case of its star columnist Rana Ayyub, who has yet to produce a shred of proof for anything she has written so far?

The binding factor

The default choice of the Western liberal media is so pronouncedly anti-Modi government that it is easy to dismiss them as writers of fiction in India. It’s not like the Indian press asks author J.K. Rowling to talk about Britain or Maya Angelou the US economy. But the British and American media do ask Booker awardees Aravinda Adiga and Arundhati Roy to comment on India.

The reasons, as usual, are multi-causal and complex.

The Washington Post, for example, is spoilt for choice. Almost all the think tanks are within a 2-km radius of the newspaper’s K Street headquarters in Washington DC. They can seek out op-eds by Jeff Smith at the Heritage Foundation, Ashley Tellis at Carnegie, Dhruva Jaishankar at Observer Research Foundation (ORF), Sameer Lalwani at Stimson Center, Richard Rossow at Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) – all of whom will be less than a 20-minute walk away. These people are classified as serious experts on topics ranging from the Indian economy to Indian nuclear weapons. Yet, the newspaper’s star interpreter of India is Rana Ayyub. Why?

The answer is simple. Few of those outside the policy circle have heard of Jeff, Ashley, Dhruva, Sameer or Richard. Their precision and nuance are for the technically minded — they can’t and won’t dumb it down to suit the prism of the country club liberals and the enraged masses. Rana Ayyub, on the other hand, will — even the Supreme Court had rejected her book Gujarat Files – Anatomy of a Cover Up, which an NGO seeking further probe into Haren Pandya murder case had relied upon, by saying it was “based upon surmises, conjectures, and suppositions”. But as long as Rana Ayyub can bring the clicks to their site, she’ll always be more valuable than any serious analyst.

The working gang of the foreign press

There’s a reason movies do better than documentaries. The state of journalism is such that no one gets as excited by facts as they do by yarns and sharp, polarising opinions. That’s why digital media needs people like Rana Ayyub and Swati Chaturvedi. Many of them have formidable social media following, which always helps bring web traffic.

One test is to see how many of their articles are published in the print version of the newspapers they write for. The second point is the way publications pick columnists, which isn’t driven by the salience or substance of the authors’ arguments. The dirty secret of the publishing trade is that organisations choose someone they are socially and politically compatible with in this age of hyper partisanship.

If you’re a member of the Italian Cultural Centre or the Foreign Correspondents’ Club in Delhi or if you are just waltzing by Khan Market, you’ll often find the NYT, WaPo, Guardian, WSJ correspondents hanging out there. Invariably, they are influenced by the likes of Rana Ayyub, Arundhati Roy, and Pankaj Mishra. These foreign journalists don’t want answers; they seek validation of their pre-existing views. Much of this has to do with the social dynamics of Delhi where White people slot themselves into a social strata that would be well outside their station back home — not unlike British cockney colonels who suddenly found themselves catapulted to hunting with maharajas in India.

Left’s permanent struggle with narrative

The champagne socialists’ unmistakable feature is that once it crowns you as a legitimate voice, it starts promoting you socially and economically as well. The champagne socialist influencers amplify the ‘Left voice’ by sharing articles written by other like-minded authors, so that the ecosystem continues to flourish. This lobby consists of status quoists who now feel dispossessed by the Modi administration and the only tool to fight back is a full-scale narrative hijack. This is where foreign publications and their op-eds come in, fighting the diplomatic war against India in cahoots with the desi Left.

There are two aspects to this narrative hijack — and none seems to be working for the Indian Left. The first is the global hyper partisanship and the near simultaneous collapse of the centre brought on by social media. Be it the US, the UK or India, social media has essentially taken us back to the Athenian Agora period when Socrates was condemned to drink hemlock. There is no room for nuance or building bridges, and the extreme viewpoint invariably seizes the narrative. The second factor further disturbed the Left’s narrative game — the emergence of leaders such as Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Narendra Modi on the Right. For these leaders, the more extreme the virtue signalling, the easier the election contest, which I have written about earlier. In a way, The New York Times and The Washington Post are ensuring Modi’s re-elections by such strident content — a classic case of the path to hell being paved with good intentions.

Let’s be clear, though. In this day and age, there is no money for serious research. Falling media revenue means that cheaper opinions will always be prioritised over expensive facts. Here, the yarn spinner always wins. The only one who gets carried away by this drama is the gullible public. Media outlets and their agent provocateurs regard this template as a cash cow, while the targeted politicians love it — the more media outlets publish such voices, the more votes they get. It’s a classic win-win situation that suits everyone.

The author is a senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. He tweets @iyervval. Views are personal.

 
What's up here ? Anybody has anymore details ?

Police tried to be over smart, Police Chief submitted Affidavit of pressure from Arnab Goswami, to get some favorable verdict. Arnab's lawyer and Center both used it as opportunity and ground for CBI probe, claiming that since both parties are under undue pressure let's give it to third party (CBI) for fair investigation. Which obviously didn't go well with Congress. Arguments from Arnab's side were mostly his case specific and not about Press Freedom and all. He got interim protection and decision on CBI enquiry is reserved.
 
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2 biggest self goals of this government during this crisis -

Insensitivity towards migrant labour, charging train fare damaged even the hardcore supporters.

Reluctance to come clean on PM CARES fund. As most people contributed they somehow feel cheated.

Both these things are unfortunately created by government which were completely avoidable and public will force to rectify them but why were they created at first place is baffling.
 
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