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In August 2018,Pakistan's Habib bank closed its operations in the US after it was fined $630 million.Now,with FATF noose tightening,UBL has decided to close its operations in the US too.

UBL to wind down New York branch as part of 'global realignment strategy' - Business - DAWN.COM

Foreign exchange: SBP reserves dip 2.62%, stand at $7.3b

KARACHI: Foreign exchange reserves held by the central bank continued to spiral downwards for the 13th successive week as they fell 2.62% on a weekly basis, according to data released on Thursday.

The continued drop in the reserves is alarming as it raises concern about Pakistan’s ability to meet its financing requirements because the reserves have fallen below the $7.5-billion mark.

Although the Saudi government has released $1 billion under the promised $3-billion financial assistance, the impact is yet to be seen.

On the other hand, Chinese Embassy Deputy Head of Mission Zhao Lijian has assured Pakistan of a financial package to boost its flagging foreign currency reserves, hinting that it would be bigger than that pledged by Saudi Arabia.
 
Give it a thought:

1. Imran Khan declares that the projects under CPEC, in certain cases, need to be re-negotiated. Wants Saudi Arabia to invest.
2. Imran Khan declares immediate steps to strengthen fiscal position, reduce expenditures and seek aid.
3. Imran Khan declares an intent to start peace process with India.
4. Immediately after Point 3, we have the incident across Internal Border wherein a BSF soldier was executed.
5. Imran Khan goes to China and is politely told to approach the Chinese companies for re-negotiations. Also, the Chinese Government has no say in it. :)
6. China refuses to underwrite their loans, IMF asks for details and Saudi Arabia (by extension US) give them loan.
7. TLP decides to go after Imran Khan led government. Issue threats against CJP and COAS (calling the latter non-Muslim).
8. The country is allowed to grind to a halt for 03 days, while everyone twiddles their thumbs.
9. Agreement is signed to withdraw TLP from streets, handing them a 'public relation victory' (Although the protagonists from Pakistan will be vehemently pointing out avoidance of violence! The State, by all accounts, surrenders, and calls it a move to avoid violence. Last I heard, a nation state is one where the power of violence must reside exclusively with the State itself)
10. Yesterday, a 'terror' attack takes place on Chinese consulate, and effectively neutralized. Whereas, in two other instances, casualties have occurred.


Interesting picture is emerging. Am I the only one who see's a pattern here? Let me speculate a bit:

1 Imran Khan declares an intent to pursue peace: Immediately, plan s made to derail the process. A cross border strike on working party of BSF is carried out, knowing fully well, that India will decline.

2. Imran Khan declares an intent to re-negotiate CPEC projects in some cases: Chinese, feeling 'offended' decline to intervene (everyone and their dog knows what they can do, if they wish). A 'nudge' is given to PA, which relies exclusively on the Chinese to provide it with equipment. TLP can not thrive in Pakistan without an unofficial backing of Pakistan Army and/or it's organ - ISI. That, is a fact. So, TLP is given a nudge. And you have a shut down. (Rizvi goes overboard, but will get back to that later). Imran Khan is on backfoot.

3. Terror attack on Chinese Consulate & other infrastructure related directly to Pakistani Military Establishment: Have you ever wondered that most of the times the Pakistani Security Forces are failing miserably to stop the bloodshed in civil society but somehow, is always able to neutralise the terror threat against it's vital interests? Every Pakistan Military installation attacked over the past couple of years, has been without casualties. But every Pakistani establishment attacked where directly civil population is involved, you have a carnage. I come back to the point I was making, yesterday's attack was 'successfully neutralized'. Bravo Pakistani Security Forces. Chinese are grateful. But wait, is that a message somehow? I wonder

4. TLP Chief Rizvi taken into 'Preventive' Custody last night. Well, well, well ....... call me a cynic. But this realllly gives credence to my speculation above! Could he not have been neutralised in the previous case? :)

What are the views of the members?
What're the chances IK would have learnt his lessons? He's not called Im the dim for nothing ,you know? Plus he's Pashtun. Not exactly known for much intelligence or sagacity .

He wanted to be PM more badly than the PA wanted him for the said post. He certainly will do his utmost to stay in there. But at what cost? I don't see him compromising the autonomy of the PM's office beyond a certain point.


His principal ministers are all turncoats from previous administrations having variable political affiliations save one. To the PA. Wouldn't they & his advisors have had warned him about the consequences of the independent steak he displayed?

Yet , he behaved the way he did.He may be new to the job but not new to Pakistani politics. His predecessors while battling the establishment also lined up their own pockets. One of the motivations of fighting for power and staying on.Something, most Pakistanis, including members here, concur isn't his primary or even secondary motivation.

He's drinking off a poisoned chalice. Either he's overestimated his capacity to do so or underestimated the degree to which his cup is poisoned. My only question is how far will he travel before he starts to confront the establishment. For if he doesn't, it's his reputation on the line, his ability to deliver being severely compromised.

Early days yet, but I've a feeling this is going to turn very ugly and very fast. More to the point, I doubt IK knows where to stop and the fine art of balancing things. It's beyond his pedigree and he lacks the necessary motivation, that's guided most Pakistani politicians, namely the loaves & fishes of office.

Where do you see this one going? His classmate's from Oxford's way or his bete noire's way?
 
There seems to be a spike in attacks in Pakistan.....
Attack NATO convoy and make money.
Attack CPEC and make money from chinese. Look nothing can take place inside pakistan without its military's knowledge. Some of the attacks have significance only for the pak military. Why dint the terrorist attack some easier soft target like CPEC installation which they are against ? Instead why would they choose some heavily guarded consulate? These are just some false flag attacks , now chinese will be impressed upon to give more money to pakistan. This is the same trick they played against US and now its against china.

There was another news where it was alleged that a police official was kidnapped from Islamabad and killed in afghanistan. Which sounds totally suspicious as Islamabad is one of the safest cities and why would some one kidnap him kill him some other far away place. If their intention was to kill why would some one take the risk of transporting him across large distance and getting caught. They would kill him in islamabad itself and be done with.
 
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Terror attack on Chinese Consulate & other infrastructure related directly to Pakistani Military Establishment: Have you ever wondered that most of the times the Pakistani Security Forces are failing miserably to stop the bloodshed in civil society but somehow, is always able to neutralise the terror threat against it's vital interests? Every Pakistan Military installation attacked over the past couple of years, has been without casualties. But every Pakistani establishment attacked where directly civil population is involved, you have a carnage. I come back to the point I was making, yesterday's attack was 'successfully neutralized'. Bravo Pakistani Security Forces. Chinese are grateful. But wait, is that a message somehow? I wonder

If we go through all the bomb blasts the only beneficiary is the paksitan military. Take for example there was bomb attack on lawyers in 2016 virtually decimating the top lawyers and then there was another one in a hospital , sole aim of the attacks seem to systematically eliminate vocal sections of society of a particular ethnic group. To top that there is kill & dump/kidnap & torture against journalists and civilians who lead protest marches. Every now & then there are foot soldiers who get killed. Some police officials even reported that when they try to hunt down these terrorists they simply escape to the military enclaves!

Its like a man-eater which once tastes human flesh will not stop hunting humans. Military in pakistan will remain in power hook or crook,they will always keep fanning the flames.
 
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Imran Khan declares an intent to start peace process with India

Kartarpur corridor was the start of that intent, I suppose, only to be used by PA and ISI to Stoke khalistan movement which will derail the whole process and we will be back to square one. Peace with terrorist army with a country is impossible. The only way to achieve peace is balkanization of Pakistan in to 4 smaller states. Every effort should be made in that direction covert or overt it doesn't matter..

The situation is interesting a puppet government, arrogant pakjabi army, terrorist ISI, loose religious zealots, nuclear weapons and an almost bankrupt country. A perfect recipe for lawless land like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon right at our border, only much dangerous, one with nuclear weapons..
 
Terror attack on Chinese Consulate & other infrastructure related directly to Pakistani Military Establishment: Have you ever wondered that most of the times the Pakistani Security Forces are failing miserably to stop the bloodshed in civil society but somehow, is always able to neutralise the terror threat against it's vital interests? Every Pakistan Military installation attacked over the past couple of years, has been without casualties. But every Pakistani establishment attacked where directly civil population is involved, you have a carnage. I come back to the point I was making, yesterday's attack was 'successfully neutralized'. Bravo Pakistani Security Forces. Chinese are grateful. But wait, is that a message somehow? I wonder

Yes! Message is clear to China. Put a few billion dollars every year into that beg ging bowl just like US to save its assets and investment in Pakistan or we use terrorists to move you out..
Reminds me of dialogue from blockbuster Sholay... GABBAR KE TAAPSE TUMHE SIRF EK HI ADMI BACHCHA SAKTA HAI. KHUD GABBAR..😁😁😂
 
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Kartarpur corridor was the start of that intent, I suppose, only to be used by PA and ISI to Stoke khalistan movement which will derail the whole process and we will be back to square one. Peace with terrorist army with a country is impossible. The only way to achieve peace is balkanization of Pakistan in to 4 smaller states. Every effort should be made in that direction covert or overt it doesn't matter..

The situation is interesting a puppet government, arrogant pakjabi army, terrorist ISI, loose religious zealots, nuclear weapons and an almost bankrupt country. A perfect recipe for lawless land like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon right at our border, only much dangerous, one with nuclear weapons..

I'm shocked Modi flip flopped yet again and is opening a virtual Pandora's Box on the border by approving this corridor. Pakistan is the proverbial dog's tail; the only way it makes sense to approve this corridor is if RAW will be making "pilgrimages" too.
 
I'm shocked Modi flip flopped yet again and is opening a virtual Pandora's Box on the border by approving this corridor. Pakistan is the proverbial dog's tail; the only way it makes sense to approve this corridor is if RAW will be making "pilgrimages" too.
It will be 2way affair with both ISI and RAW using it. But sufferers will be common Sikhs who have lost sacred places of pilgrimage during partition due to idiot ChaCha and Saint Gandi who didn't fight for Nankana Saheb, Panja Saheb and Kartarpur..
 
The pre-dominant Khalistani agenda has shifted base out of India. Punjab has more Ex-servicemen than otherwise. The intelligence network is pretty good. One odd incident may occur, but overall, things will be tough to re-ignite. So I do not se
Yeah a few idiots from Canada and England on Pakistani payroll rant every few years... Wish they convert Canada into khalistan, I won't mind since I am a Sikh too but not here. They live peacefully there and we here. Good to know we have good intelligence network. During 1980s we could not even think of visiting Amritsar and other shrines because of these elements. Peace has returned after so much efforts and bloodshed and should remain forever now at any cost.
 
Give it a thought:

1. Imran Khan declares that the projects under CPEC, in certain cases, need to be re-negotiated. Wants Saudi Arabia to invest.
2. Imran Khan declares immediate steps to strengthen fiscal position, reduce expenditures and seek aid.
3. Imran Khan declares an intent to start peace process with India.
4. Immediately after Point 3, we have the incident across Internal Border wherein a BSF soldier was executed.
5. Imran Khan goes to China and is politely told to approach the Chinese companies for re-negotiations. Also, the Chinese Government has no say in it. :)
6. China refuses to underwrite their loans, IMF asks for details and Saudi Arabia (by extension US) give them loan.
7. TLP decides to go after Imran Khan led government. Issue threats against CJP and COAS (calling the latter non-Muslim).
8. The country is allowed to grind to a halt for 03 days, while everyone twiddles their thumbs.
9. Agreement is signed to withdraw TLP from streets, handing them a 'public relation victory' (Although the protagonists from Pakistan will be vehemently pointing out avoidance of violence! The State, by all accounts, surrenders, and calls it a move to avoid violence. Last I heard, a nation state is one where the power of violence must reside exclusively with the State itself)
10. Yesterday, a 'terror' attack takes place on Chinese consulate, and effectively neutralized. Whereas, in two other instances, casualties have occurred.


Interesting picture is emerging. Am I the only one who see's a pattern here? Let me speculate a bit:

1 Imran Khan declares an intent to pursue peace: Immediately, plan s made to derail the process. A cross border strike on working party of BSF is carried out, knowing fully well, that India will decline.

2. Imran Khan declares an intent to re-negotiate CPEC projects in some cases: Chinese, feeling 'offended' decline to intervene (everyone and their dog knows what they can do, if they wish). A 'nudge' is given to PA, which relies exclusively on the Chinese to provide it with equipment. TLP can not thrive in Pakistan without an unofficial backing of Pakistan Army and/or it's organ - ISI. That, is a fact. So, TLP is given a nudge. And you have a shut down. (Rizvi goes overboard, but will get back to that later). Imran Khan is on backfoot.

3. Terror attack on Chinese Consulate & other infrastructure related directly to Pakistani Military Establishment: Have you ever wondered that most of the times the Pakistani Security Forces are failing miserably to stop the bloodshed in civil society but somehow, is always able to neutralise the terror threat against it's vital interests? Every Pakistan Military installation attacked over the past couple of years, has been without casualties. But every Pakistani establishment attacked where directly civil population is involved, you have a carnage. I come back to the point I was making, yesterday's attack was 'successfully neutralized'. Bravo Pakistani Security Forces. Chinese are grateful. But wait, is that a message somehow? I wonder

4. TLP Chief Rizvi taken into 'Preventive' Custody last night. Well, well, well ....... call me a cynic. But this realllly gives credence to my speculation above! Could he not have been neutralised in the previous case? :)

What are the views of the members?

I wonder if Khan realises he is just a small replaceable character in a large play.

I'm most interested in seeing what the Chinese do about the consulate attack. The Pakistanis have decided to blame India. Based on what China does, they could come to some sort of an agreement with the Balochis or even become a target of Islamic terrorism at a later date, when the Chinese start coming into Pakistan in large numbers.
 
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I didn't get the point. Why do you want China to blame India?

It's fun obviously. ;)

Unsubstantiated claims like that will eventually come back to bite them in the backside. Especially with their blatant support of internationally recognised terrorists. Time will prove them wrong and this will put a strain on China-Pak ties. They will also be forced to start looking at terrorism from India's PoV in order to protect their own behinds once Chinese people become targets in Balochistan since we are 'sort of' sitting in Afghanistan with the US.
 
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It's fun obviously. ;)

Unsubstantiated claims like that will eventually come back to bite them in the backside. Especially with their blatant support of internationally recognised terrorists. Time will prove them wrong and this will put a strain on China-Pak ties. They will also be forced to start looking at terrorism from India's PoV in order to protect their own behinds once Chinese people become targets in Balochistan since we are 'sort of' sitting in Afghanistan with the US.
There's another angle to it. They're hosting Paresh Barua, apart from renewed support to some other fringe NE terrorist groups. It's one more reason, even if China has good reason to suspect India, they'd be circumspect about going public with their accusations.

Going by the events of the past week in Pakistan, I'd say in all probability, it's the NDS attempting a payback for what the ISI has unleashed in Afghanistan courtesy the Taliban. The situation is pretty grim there. Expect more blowback in Pakistan.
 
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