Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions

[randomradio]

Nay.

No ground troops whatsoever there will be no invasion but there will be a huge air and missile strike capability that can cripple Iran's strategic bases and Nukelar facilities.

I guess it's gonna depend on how crazy the Iranians get. They can mass a real army after all.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716900207550439598

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My my my it seems we have amassed quite a fleet.

Right now ten Aegis ships with Burkes having 96 VLS and Ticos 122 VLS. Lets say each ship current load has 45 tomahawks... that's a crap load of firepower not including the 3 Aegis escorts from the USS Eisenhower or Carriers airwing, USAF many squadrons deployed in region and USN subs lurking in the region which have become cruise missile attack subs especially the 4 Ohio Class subs.

Ike is headed towards the Arabian Sea, or will stop in the Red Sea. It's basically the biggest USN presence in the region since the early 90s.

True they are there for deterrence but I and many think the US is going to get sucked in by Iran or her proxies when Israel invades. US hasn't retaliated yet for US base attacks by Iran proxies but today Pentagon has finally blamed Iran which means US likely has its forces ready and when Israel does invade and US bases get attacked the US is going to hit back hard against Iran's proxies or Iran.

As long as the US Army is kept out, it should be fine. Let the locals fight. The troops are necessary in Taiwan and SoKo.

 

[BMD]

Nope.

Yep.

'Cause Muslims were instrumental in keeping India as a colony.

Plenty of Hindus signed up to the British Army too and you were still attacking them 55 years later. Modi was still ignoring such problems 55 years later too.

No, all that says is the Brits blame others for the problems they created.

The Divide and Rule Policy

The British utilised a technique known as "Divide and Rule" in their colonial rule in India. This policy aimed to divide the Indians so it is easier to govern.

unacademy.com

The other two parties blamed each other, Britain blamed both of them. Britain's version seems more correct and the fact that it still continues today proves that Britain was correct.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Had Raheel Shareef & Co accepted SA request to join their Yemen war, Pakistan would have much bigger role in Middle East to play.

 

[Innominate]

I guess it's gonna depend on how crazy the Iranians get. They can mass a real army after all.

Iran has no air force those troops are good as dead

Ike is headed towards the Arabian Sea, or will stop in the Red Sea. It's basically the biggest USN presence in the region since the early 90s.



As long as the US Army is kept out, it should be fine. Let the locals fight. The troops are necessary in Taiwan and SoKo.

US troops are not needed in Taiwan. China is not going to be able to land thousands of troops until they have air and sea superiority and even without US helping Taiwan it would take China along time to achieve that at a high cost.

 

[randomradio]

Iran has no air force those troops are good as dead

What the Ukraine war has taught us is the infantry cannot be effectively killed from the air, 'cause most of them operate underground. The problem in this case is Israel's population is far too small to get into a mud fight. Even if they kill 10 for every one of their losses, they will still lose.

US troops are not needed in Taiwan. China is not going to be able to land thousands of troops until they have air and sea superiority and even without US helping Taiwan it would take China along time to achieve that at a high cost.

Assuming that's true, there's also a possibility for SoKo to get sucked into the war via a NoKo invasion.

If the US enters a China-Taiwan war, then it's very likely the whole region will go to war. So what better way to distract the US than to suck them into SoKo as well.

China's not gonna start anything unless they are absolutely sure they have parity or superiority in the air.

 

[randomradio]

Egypt threatening Israel with all that American stuff.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717149259676488110

 

[Innominate]

What the Ukraine war has taught us is the infantry cannot be effectively killed from the air, 'cause most of them operate underground. The problem in this case is Israel's population is far too small to get into a mud fight. Even if they kill 10 for every one of their losses, they will still lose.

Infantry in that war can't be killed effectively because Ukraine doesn't have an air force and Russia's air force is nothing more than an air show air force with no real air to ground, SEAD/DEAD capability. If Russia had the US air force for its air force the war in Ukraine would have been over a very long time ago. Any Iranian massing of troops in Iraq border is good as dead.

Assuming that's true, there's also a possibility for SoKo to get sucked into the war via a NoKo invasion.

If the US enters a China-Taiwan war, then it's very likely the whole region will go to war. So what better way to distract the US than to suck them into SoKo as well.

China's not gonna start anything unless they are absolutely sure they have parity or superiority in the air.

US doesn't need to send a lot of troops to SoKo the SoKo can shoulder that burden while US sticks to air and naval.

US only needs 2 carriers and 2-3 F-35B LHD's and their escorts to prevent chicoms from gaining air superiority not to mentions USAF Okinawa and now Peeleepeen bases. Taiwan's can hit all chicom air and naval bases that will be used for an attack with their cruise missiles. Taiwan has the coastal high ground giving their ground launch anti-ship missile radars a much further tracking capability. chicom naval ships will not be able to operate line of sight of the island without harpoons and their supersonic anti ship missiles targeting them.

 

[randomradio]

The other two parties blamed each other, Britain blamed both of them. Britain's version seems more correct and the fact that it still continues today proves that Britain was correct.

Then I'm sure you will be perfectly fine when the Conversatives lose the next elections and Labour allows all those good people from Calais into the country. Let's see how well Britain's version stands up at the trial.

 

[BMD]

Then I'm sure you will be perfectly fine when the Conversatives lose the next elections and Labour allows all those good people from Calais into the country. Let's see how well Britain's version stands up at the trial.

That policy alone is enough to make them lose the next election. Remember how the Brexit referendum went for similar reasons.

Don't get me wrong, the good thing about Hindu extremism is that it only affects India, but within India it's probably worse than the Islamic kind based on massacre death tolls. If such death tolls found their way elsewhere you'd probably have been nuked by now.

 

[randomradio]

Infantry in that war can't be killed effectively because Ukraine doesn't have an air force and Russia's air force is nothing more than an air show air force with no real air to ground, SEAD/DEAD capability. If Russia had the US air force for its air force the war in Ukraine would have been over a very long time ago. Any Iranian massing of troops in Iraq border is good as dead.

No. As per the US themselves, even they would have struggled, although not as much as the Russians, but it has nothing to do with the air force.

The air force isn't as effective as it was presumed to be even with more modern weapons. The only way airpower will work is when the enemy masses its forces. But both the Russians and Ukrainians have not massed their forces.

US doesn't need to send a lot of troops to SoKo the SoKo can shoulder that burden while US sticks to air and naval.

Sure, but you are underestimating the numbers necessary. With 10 divisions the US Army is small as is. And we now know more numbers are necessary in the form of reserves for urban warfare. All 10 divisions will be necessary for SoKo alone, and that's still not enough.

The US contributed 1.8 million men in the Korean War, much higher than SoKo's 1.3 million.

To put things in perspective, NoKo has trained more than 30% of its population. That's basically 8 million men, not counting their active units, 1.3 million. SoKo can immediately contribute only 3.6 million men. And the US only 0.6 million. We can assume the US will need at least a million men at the minimum. Even with a more powerful air force and navy, the US ground forces contribution will have to be extremely substantial.

US only needs 2 carriers and 2-3 F-35B LHD's and their escorts to prevent chicoms from gaining air superiority not to mentions USAF Okinawa and now Peeleepeen bases. Taiwan's can hit all chicom air and naval bases that will be used for an attack with their cruise missiles. Taiwan has the coastal high ground giving their ground launch anti-ship missile radars a much further tracking capability. chicom naval ships will not be able to operate line of sight of the island without harpoons and their supersonic anti ship missiles targeting them.

Obviously not enough. You need 4-5 at the minimum, 2-3 around Taiwan, and 1 each to deter China's North and South Fleets. And 2 more in reserve. That's 6-7 carriers. And if SoKo also goes to war, then 2 more are necessary there. The USN is short by at least 3 more carriers, so 5 could sit at home while 9 are in action.

Basically, the US forces have been designed to fight just 1 major adversary at a time. It was fine in the past 'cause there was just 1, allowing some to be used in other areas. But today there are 2 major adversaries, and not enough carriers. Congress also reported that the US now needs to prepare to fight both Russia and China simultaneously. Even the army strength needs to go up, a lesson learned from Ukraine. Only the air force is somewhat fine, as long as the Russians suddenly do not increase drastically.

You have heavily understimated this war business. If your navy and air force alone were enough, then you wouldn't need India as a military ally.

 

[randomradio]

That policy alone is enough to make them lose the next election. Remember how the Brexit referendum went for similar reasons.

They don't need to say it. And 5 years is enough time. Hell, just 1 is enough. There is a major war coming as well, maybe tomorrow or the day after, literally.

Don't get me wrong, the good thing about Hindu extremism is that it only affects India, but within India it's probably worse than the Islamic kind based on massacre death tolls. If such death tolls found their way elsewhere you'd probably have been nuked by now.

You haven't read up on China or the Soviet Union, and most definitely not the British Empire.

Lol, @Hindu extremism...

 

[BMD]

They don't need to say it.

They'll be forced to say it.

And 5 years is enough time. Hell, just 1 is enough. There is a major war coming as well, maybe tomorrow or the day after, literally.

In what regard?

You haven't read up on China or the Soviet Union, and most definitely not the British Empire.

You haven't read period.

Lol, @Hindu extremism...

So what else would you call it when Hindus have killed tens of thousands of Sikhs or Muslims in a massacre? Like it or not the stats show that more people were killed in India in the post-colonial period than during... and more people died from malnutrition/hunger too before you bring up that old chestnut.

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[randomradio]

They'll be forced to say it.

They don't need to say it, they will just open up the borders. Left likes immigration.

In what regard?

Immigration.

You haven't read period.

That's still more than you.

So what else would you call it when Hindus have killed tens of thousands of Sikhs or Muslims in a massacre? Like it or not the stats show that more people were killed in India in the post-colonial period than during... and more people died from malnutrition/hunger too before you bring up that old chestnut.

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of massacres in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lol, pre-colonial massacres are all basically with Muslim perpetrators. And most of the Hindu "massacres" were basically wars. The rest are just riots, not massacres. So you really have nothing, eh?

There's literally not a single example of a massacre led by Hindus in the list. India's history has been the least bloody amongst all continents in the world. Only after the Muslims came in did massacres start, and the Muslims were the perpetrators. Human decency is philosophically ingrained in Hindus.

 

[screambowl]

Saar this iz not era of war saar please saar I need nobel peace prize. Every one calm down no one will fight for the sake of my Nobel Peace Prize Saar please.
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Both Russia and Israel are fighting war. They both happen to be the closest ones with India. What a mockery!

 

[BMD]

They don't need to say it, they will just open up the borders. Left likes immigration.

They will have to say it during the election, the Conservatives and media will force them to say it. It will do them no favours even amongst their own voters.

Immigration.

Not going to happen the british voters across the board have hardened against it.

That's still more than you.

You actually do negative reading, by reading things and coming to completely wrong conclusions.

Lol, pre-colonial massacres are all basically with Muslim perpetrators. And most of the Hindu "massacres" were basically wars. The rest are just riots, not massacres. So you really have nothing, eh?

Stats are stats. The post colonial massacres have highlighted the true culprits.

There's literally not a single example of a massacre led by Hindus in the list. India's history has been the least bloody amongst all continents in the world. Only after the Muslims came in did massacres start, and the Muslims were the perpetrators. Human decency is philosophically ingrained in Hindus.

Jammu massacres, Hyperbad massacres, 1984 anti-Sikh massacres, Bihar, Gawkadal, Sopore, Bijbehari, Gudjarat. If Britain did the same, you'd be crying about it and saying 'Britshit' a lot. Hell, if Israeli forces opened fire and shot 50+ Palestinian protestors every time they threw stones at them can you imagine the shit that would be spewed about it?

 

[A Person]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717542934365540377

 

[randomradio]

They will have to say it during the election, the Conservatives and media will force them to say it. It will do them no favours even amongst their own voters.

Not going to happen the british voters across the board have hardened against it.

You actually do negative reading, by reading things and coming to completely wrong conclusions.


Stats are stats. The post colonial massacres have highlighted the true culprits.


Jammu massacres, Hyperbad massacres, 1984 anti-Sikh massacres, Bihar, Gawkadal, Sopore, Bijbehari, Gudjarat. If Britain did the same, you'd be crying about it and saying 'Britshit' a lot. Hell, if Israeli forces opened fire and shot 50+ Palestinian protestors every time they threw stones at them can you imagine the shit that would be spewed about it?

All you've done is named parition massacres, which were riots, and other riots. Not a single one actually being a massacre.

 

[randomradio]

Both Russia and Israel are fighting war. They both happen to be the closest ones with India. What a mockery!

By that logic then France could be next on the chopping block.

@A Person @Picdelamirand-oil @Bon Plan

West Africa?

 

[jetray]

six pack bellies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717692163608240350

 

[jetray]

Egypt threatening Israel with all that American stuff.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717149259676488110

this is one of the reasons why we need to limit buying too much stuff from US. It would make us look like fools in future when they threaten us.