Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions
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No 240kg is the fuel cell module weight, where in that picture did you see the two H2 tanks? the hydrogen supply is coming externally. It doesn't include the Li battery they still use either - yes the Mirai still uses an Li ion battery anyway, see post above.
The Mirai's output is 114kW, the fuel cell module only makes 80kW alone (see link in previous post), so no, it is needed to make the full power. And by the way, 114kW in a car weighing 1850kg will be a sluggish pig.
The Lucid Air Dream has 516 miles range, that's 825km catalogue value, 460kg battery. The catalogue value of the Mirai is only 650km, with a powerplant that only offers a tiny fraction of the power.
At 70kWh per kg compressed, the cost of lorry transport would be horrendous, leading to much more expensive items in the shop. Current superchargers can recharge 100kWh in 15 minutes. Besides, the weight of a larger battery for a lorry would make negligible difference.
Doesn't specify how it was charged, probably trickle charged during off-peak times. Supercharging can be done in 15 minutes now.
It is the entire module. The energy part is only the fuel stack that requires battery-related recycling, and that weighs 56 kg. It comes with air and H2 supply, not the H2 cylinder. And power control. And yes, FCEVs have Li-ion, but it's purely for low speed, braking and acceleration related tasks, and needs 100 times less supply of Li. So it can all be made for cheap 'cause pretty much everything is manufactured, not simply mined at exhorbitant cost.
Doesn't matter. When it's charging, it's not on the road. A lot of people run taxi serives as a proper 24/7 business with multiple drivers. Many times an owner hires someone to drive during the day/night, and then someone else, like the owner, takes over when the driver is asleep. So the taxi is almost always on the road.
There are two H2 tanks weighing 87.5kg not in that picture.
The new one has 3 tanks, so even more weight - 131.25kg - to hold this 5.6kg of green H2 that takes 392kWh of electricity to produce and compress, enough energy to fully recharge 4 Tesla Model S, oh but wait, you still have a battery to recharge even after all that.
Toyota Mirai - Wikipedia
Besides you're comparing the Mirai with EVs that have 6-8 times as much power, it's link comparing the engine weights of a Mercedes S600 with a 2.0 Mondeo.
It still needs an Li battery to make the full quoted power.
So 15 minutes per fill vs 5 minutes. Average speed of taxi, 50kph, so maximum 1,200km. Both vehicles need 1 fill, so you lose 10 minutes with EV, but the FCV uses 392kWh per fill and the EV uses 100kWh, so you save ~£120 with the EV, £120 >> 10 minutes cab fare.
Also, that's really not how most cab vehicles operate and drivers have to fcking eat, shit and piss anyway, at least they do here, maybe you have other arrangements.
So you use eat/shit/piss time to charge vehicle.
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There are two H2 tanks weighing 87.5kg not in that picture.
The new one has 3 tanks, so even more weight - 131.25kg - to hold this 5.6kg of green H2 that takes 392kWh of electricity to produce and compress, enough energy to fully recharge 4 Tesla Model S, oh but wait, you still have a battery to recharge even after all that.
Toyota Mirai - Wikipedia
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Besides you're comparing the Mirai with EVs that have 6-8 times as much power, it's link comparing the engine weights of a Mercedes S600 with a 2.0 Mondeo.
It still needs an Li battery to make the full quoted power.
This is getting dumb. So what if there are 3 tanks? The fuel cell stack is the same. It's just 56 kg vs 500-900 kg of Li-ion. It's obvious which one has a more expensive replacement and recycling expenditure. But damn, a third tank adds to the range. What about a 4th one? So for nearly 180 kg, I can do 2000 km on a single charge? Does Li-ion have such an option, just keep increasing the battery packs at 500 kg a pop? Why do all your arguments end up supporting mine instead?
PS: The 5.6 kg figure is for 3 tanks of H2 apparently.
And yes, FCEV uses Li-ion, why is this a revelation? A battery has always been necessary in cars. And it's just 1.2 kWh. And it can be replaced with sodium. This battery is not charged by the consumer.
So you get zirconium from the beach and sodium from the sea. Versus, what, lithium from China and cobalt from Congo?
Not bad. 15 min recharging means you are paying 3-4 times more than H2. Congrats.
Ever figure a supercharging station may have cars waiting?
And, oh, yeah, 15 min doesn't give you 100%.
Also, that's really not how most cab vehicles operate and drivers have to fcking eat, shit and piss anyway, at least they do here, maybe you have other arrangements.
Shifts, genius. And in the third world, drivers either carry their lunches with them or eat at cheap roadside eateries, they don't do that are supercharging stations. And in many cases, we have eating habits which are different from yours. Many drivers eat a very heavy breakfast and skip lunch because they can. It allows them to stay on the road for 8-12 hours at a stretch. In India, you piss anywhere you want. And who the frig keeps shitting all the time?
Your posts have started getting dumber and dumber by the minute.
Nah, the fuel cell module is 240kg as proven:
Toyota Fuel Cell Technology | Toyota Europe
Toyota fuel cell technology, first used in the Mirai, has been repackaged in compact fuel cell modules which have a number of diverse and new applications.
www.toyota-europe.com
The tanks weigh 87.5kg for 2 tanks and presumably 100+kg for 3, and you only get 114kW, but you need a 45kg Li battery for the other 34kW. It does 650km catalogue value (Under the skin of the new Mirai), A Lucid Air Dream does 520miles (837km), battery weighs 458.7kg and it has 1,111hp (828kW) and the same 120kWh capacity as the Mirai. Furthermore there is now a Drem Edition R that does 900km and still has 696kW of power and manages 13.12kWh/100km, vs 70kWh per kg of compressed H2 to do the same 100km.
Lucid Air | Dream Edition | Lucid Motors
Dream Edition Performance offers up to 1,111 hp, 0-60 mph in 2.5 seconds, quarter-mile in 9.9 seconds, as the Dream Edition Range delivers 520 miles of driving.
lucidmotors.com
Lucid Motors - Battery Design
The Lucid Air has been designed to take on the best that Tesla can offer. Altieva designed and made the 2019-2021 Formula E packs.
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0-100kph
Mirai - 7.6s
Dream Edition R - 2.7s
Not to augment the engine they don't. The fuel cell only gives 80kW without the battery. From previous link:
Dude, you're wrong on literally everything.
You already paid for 5x as much kWh to produce and compress the H2, and you still need a Li battery and a 5 minutes weight. You pay 392kWh for 5.6kg of H2, which costs you £120 in electricty alone, before the transportation firm and pumping station take their cut. That's nearly 280kWh more than with a 120kWh battery recharge, or 30p and 280 = £84.
You lost 10 minutes of taxi cab work with the EV, which was about £5, except it wasn't because the driver took a shit and bought a coffee during that time, your FCEV driver had to spend 5 minutes holding a pump and now he still needs to spend 15 minutes taking a shit and buying a coffee anyway.
A large taxi or trucking company would buy one for their HQ. 15 minutes gives full charge, it takes at least 30 minutes to have lunch and 10 minutes to shit.
Did you just admit that you are still 3rd world?
And what happens when it's not the 3rd world anymore?Given food hygiene standards over there you probably shit about 12 times a day.
The U.S. Department of Defense has announced that the United States and Britain with the Support of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands have conducted Joint Missile and Airstrikes tonight against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Western Yemen, in order to prevent their further Targeting of Commercial Shipping in the Red Sea.
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Statement from President Joe Biden on Coalition Strikes in Houthi-Controlled Areas in Yemen
Today, at my direction, U.S. military forces -together with the United Kingdom and with support from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands-successfully conducted strikes against a number of targets in Yemen used by Houthi rebels to endanger freedom of navigation in one of the world's most vital waterways.
These strikes are in direct response to unprecedented Houthi attacks against international maritime vessels in the Red Sea-including the use of anti-ship ballistic missiles for the first time in history. These attacks have endangered U.S. personnel, civilian mariners, and our partners, jeopardized trade, and threatened freedom of navigation. More than 50 nations have been affected in 27 attacks on international commercial shipping. Crews from more than 20 countries have been threatened or taken hostage in acts of piracy. More than 2,000 ships have been forced to divert thousands of miles to avoid the Red Sea-which can cause weeks of delays in product shipping times. And on January 9, Houthis launched their largest attack to date, directly targeting American ships.
The response of the international community to these reckless attacks has been united and resolute. Last month, the United States launched Operation Prosperity Guardian, a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. We also joined more than 40 nations in condemning Houthi threats. Last week, together with 13 allies and partners, we issued an unequivocal warning that Houthi rebels would bear the consequences if their attacks did not cease. And yesterday, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution demanding the Houthis end attacks on merchant and commercial vessels.
Today's defensive action follows this extensive diplomatic campaign and Houthi rebels' escalating attacks against commercial vessels. These targeted strikes are a clear message that the United States and our partners will not tolerate attacks on our personnel or allow hostile actors to imperil freedom of navigation in one of the world's most critical commercial routes. I will not hesitate to direct further measures to protect our people and the free flow of international commerce as necessary.
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Statement from President Joe Biden on Coalition Strikes in Houthi-Controlled Areas in Yemen
Today, at my direction, U.S. military forces -together with the United Kingdom and with support from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands-successfully conducted strikes against a number of targets in Yemen used by Houthi rebels to endanger freedom of navigation in one of the world's most vital waterways.
These strikes are in direct response to unprecedented Houthi attacks against international maritime vessels in the Red Sea-including the use of anti-ship ballistic missiles for the first time in history. These attacks have endangered U.S. personnel, civilian mariners, and our partners, jeopardized trade, and threatened freedom of navigation. More than 50 nations have been affected in 27 attacks on international commercial shipping. Crews from more than 20 countries have been threatened or taken hostage in acts of piracy. More than 2,000 ships have been forced to divert thousands of miles to avoid the Red Sea-which can cause weeks of delays in product shipping times. And on January 9, Houthis launched their largest attack to date, directly targeting American ships.
The response of the international community to these reckless attacks has been united and resolute. Last month, the United States launched Operation Prosperity Guardian, a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. We also joined more than 40 nations in condemning Houthi threats. Last week, together with 13 allies and partners, we issued an unequivocal warning that Houthi rebels would bear the consequences if their attacks did not cease. And yesterday, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution demanding the Houthis end attacks on merchant and commercial vessels.
Today's defensive action follows this extensive diplomatic campaign and Houthi rebels' escalating attacks against commercial vessels. These targeted strikes are a clear message that the United States and our partners will not tolerate attacks on our personnel or allow hostile actors to imperil freedom of navigation in one of the world's most critical commercial routes. I will not hesitate to direct further measures to protect our people and the free flow of international commerce as necessary.
Well they spent 3 months asking for it.
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US, British militaries launch massive retaliatory strike against Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen
U.S. and British militaries are bombing more than a dozen sites used by the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen, in a retaliatory strike.
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Can't think why, it has nothing to do with the Israel war, it's about attacks on international shipping.
That aside, I hope the US gave Israel a timescale for ending this war. At the end of the day Israel is not under occupation, nor facing an existential threat, Ukraine is.
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