Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions

BMD said:
Anyone who comes to confront them will get bombed to death, so their skill level won't be that important.
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Hasn't worked. They need quality troops to clean up.

BMD said:
People said the same about Russian oil.
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Russian oil did not leave the market, they only changed customers. An attack on Iranian oil will see oil disappearing. The overall impact is 20% of the oil market, that would result in a $200 barrel.
 
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Just for fun :

Pakistan can play serious role here.

1. Their new found oil well can reap profits selling oil to world.
2. Their compensation for not laying pipeline with Iran can mitigate Iranian loss.
 
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Lolwa said:
Their bavar 373 and buk copies are the only two good AD's they have. Overall Iranian weapons quality is poor and in some cases inferior to the North Koreans.
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They have AD sufficient for some types of aircraft and non-stealth cruise missiles. But not for modern Israeli jets and BMs. I doubt their Bavar 373 can stop Iskander class systems, let alone faster missiles. I highly doubt they are anywhere near capable enough to destroy even older F-16s.

The Iranians have their new Khordad-15 in Syria and Lebanon, but are of no use.

To compete with Israel at their level, they need the equivalents of Pantsir S2, S-350, S-400, S-500 and Su-57s at the minimum.

What they operate today.

Even Chinese ADS is 1-2 generations behind Israeli, forget Iran.
 
randomradio said:
Hasn't worked. They need quality troops to clean up.
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Hasn't been tried yet, I'm talking Desert Storm level bombing.
randomradio said:
Russian oil did not leave the market, they only changed customers. An attack on Iranian oil will see oil disappearing. The overall impact is 20% of the oil market, that would result in a $200 barrel.
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Russian oil content on the market has reduced significantly, as have their profits.

20% is easily countered, has been already:
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randomradio said:
That would affect us. It would affect poorer countries like India immediately, but it would hurt richer countries like UK in the long term even more as the inflation generated today cascades over many years.
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Blame Russia for starting the conflict in the Middle East in order to distract world attention away from Ukraine and split US aid between Israel and Ukraine.
randomradio said:
Iran has escalation superiority, so we have to see what they do after an Israeli attack.
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All their missiles missed anything useful, and how often can they fired 200+ MRBM/IRBM salvos. They have around 3,000 total, that's enough for 15 salvos like that, then it's just them getting bombed to death.


They're already using every proxy/extension terrorist organisation in the region anyway, let them escalate, nobody deserves bombing more than them.
 
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BMD said:
Hasn't been tried yet, I'm talking Desert Storm level bombing.
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Not sure if the USAF has the stomach for that. Needs 1000+ fighters.

BMD said:
Russian oil content on the market has reduced significantly, as have their profits.

20% is easily countered, has been already:
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The US pumps 13-14 mbpd. Russia currently sells up to 5 mbpd.

What you are talking about is replacing 18 mbpd, roughly equal to the sum of what US produces and Russia exports.
 
BMD said:
All their missiles missed anything useful, and how often can they fired 200+ MRBM/IRBM salvos. They have around 3,000 total, that's enough for 15 salvos like that, then it's just them getting bombed to death.


They're already using every proxy/extension terrorist organisation in the region anyway, let them escalate, nobody deserves bombing more than them.
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As long as the energy market is not impacted, it doesn't matter how the two countries resolve their conflict.
 
randomradio said:
Not sure if the USAF has the stomach for that. Needs 1000+ fighters.
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NATO will do it together, we ain't going to have numpties targeting international shipping every time Russia and Iran sponsor Hamas or Hezbollah to start a war with Israel.
randomradio said:
The US pumps 13-14 mbpd. Russia currently sells up to 5 mbpd.

What you are talking about is replacing 18 mbpd, roughly equal to the sum of what US produces and Russia exports.
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It won't all cease, it'll be more like a 20% reduction
 
BMD said:
NATO will do it together, we ain't going to have numpties targeting international shipping every time Russia and Iran sponsor Hamas or Hezbollah to start a war with Israel.
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That will be difficult since we are talking about Israel here. UK is the best bet, but not sure with Starmer around.

BMD said:
It won't all cease, it'll be more like a 20% reduction
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As long as the US/UK bear all the cost, it should be fine. :sneaky:
 
LX1111 said:
last year, the Israeli army did not achieve any effective results in the street fighting in Gaza.
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??? are you blind ?

Hamas is nearly decimated. At least 16000 of the 20000 Hamas soldiers were killed end of july.
Tsahal 'just" have to kill or take alive Sinwar and it will be the end of Hamas, specially once Israel stay on the Philadelphia corridor to avoid any weapon deal from Egypt.
 
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Bon Plan said:
??? are you blind ?

Hamas is nearly decimated. At least 16000 of the 20000 Hamas soldiers were killed end of july.
Tsahal 'just" have to kill or take alive Sinwar and it will be the end of Hamas, specially once Israel stay on the Philadelphia corridor to avoid any weapon deal from Egypt.
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if not hamas some other new monkey will fill the void, rinse & repeat the same thing for every decade. But the problem is compared to israel monkeys are in larger numbers.
 
randomradio said:
That will be difficult since we are talking about Israel here. UK is the best bet, but not sure with Starmer around.
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Even Germany changed its mind on Typhoon sales to Saudi Arabia having witnessed Houthi behaviour.
randomradio said:
As long as the US/UK bear all the cost, it should be fine. :sneaky:
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Nah, it'll go on the world market and will likely affect some of the parties who didn't oppose the invasion of Ukraine strongly enough leading to this situation.
 
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