Ukraine only wanted to join the EU until Russia invaded them.
Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions
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I think, German government should enable NGO boats to take Gaza refugees to Italy. They have been doing it will anyways.
The stuff coming out of Israel is getting more ghoulish every minute! I mean Israel is justified in burning the entire Gaza down to the ground!
Er... No.
When the first agreement was signed in Sept 2014, the number of Russian troops and separatists in Donbas was very small. Minsk 2 was signed only in Feb 2015. It's only after neither agreements were actually adhered to did the Russians come in secretly guns blazing. So stop making up your own history.
1. The first one after the UN was created.
2. Everything do to with it.
3. Lol.
Modern day Islamic terrorism became a thing after the first mujahidheen was created to fight the Soviet. It's only after that did all the terrorist organizations cropped up. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, LeT, Jaish, all formed after the CIA created the first unit in Pakistan.
India today is the only country to have successfully dealt with Islamic terrorism.
And the West is doing exactly the opposite of what India has done, hence the high failure rate.
Evacuation of the crew of a damaged Israeli Namer armored personnel carrier. The Israel Defense Forces has published footage of the rescue of the crew of the damaged Israeli armored personnel carrier Namer. The video was filmed in the area of Kibbutz Nirim, the operation is carried out by one of the Israeli special forces. During the evacuation, Israeli troops engage in battle with Hamas units. The Namer armored personnel carrier was created on the basis of the Merkava Mk1 tank in 2008, later the Merkava Mk4 tank was used. The armored personnel carrier is designed to carry 9 people and since 2016 has been equipped with the Israeli-made Trophy active protection system.
Minsk was the peace plan to Donbas' rebellion. The choice for Russia was between Minsk agreement and all-out war. They had made this clear. For whatever reason the West decided to ignore that.
Ukraine War: Merkel Says Minsk Talks Helped Kyiv Buy Time, Prepare Better - News18
Speaking to German news agency, Merkel defended her Russia policy but said she failed to influence Russian President Vladimir Putin
Minsk deal was used to buy time – Ukraine's Poroshenko - The Press United
Petro Poroshenko said the Minsk agreements “meant nothing” and claimed credit for giving Kiev enough time to militarize Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended...
thepressunited.com
“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
So, for whatever reason, both Ukraine and West merely feigned to have talks, they were never serious about it. It's likely that neither of them expected Russia to escalate to a full-blown war, something Russia had already warned about. Or the West, in particular the US, assumed that Russia will take Ukraine easily and that will be followed by a low intensity conflict that will bleed Russia over many decades.
My thinking is the US wanted Russia to invade Ukraine, so the follow-up sanctions during the war would cripple their economy entirely, leading to separatist revolts. But what stopped that from happening was India rapidly buying all the freed up oil and acting as a hedge against China. It's also why the US came down heavily on India at the start of the war, and had to back down after we didn't relent. During this time, both the French and the Germans were in la la land, had no clue what was happening. They probably thought investing in the UAF would act as a deterrence against invasion, explaining the ouster of the French intelligence chief after Russia invaded. And Ukraine probably thought their new army will give them the ability to take back Donbas and Crimea.
Stop lying.
War in Donbas - Wikipedia
It required Russian military involvement to even make it a war. Without that it was a short policing operation at best.
1. Pakistan's invasion wasn't a proxy war, it was entirely their own choice. If Britain had wanted them to have Kashmir, they'd simply have drawn the f*cking border there from the get-go.
2. FA to do with it.
3. Plain facts.
The ones fighting the Soviets weren't acting as terrorists. They were killing an invading military in their own country. It's only terrorism when you deliberately attack civilians, which the Soviets did plenty of, even in their own country.
Hezbollah were based on the Iranian Khomeini model from 1979. Hamas derived from the PLO. Radical Islam itself dates back to the 7th century CE.
Until the next attack.India today is the only country to have successfully dealt with Islamic terrorism.
And the West is doing exactly the opposite of what India has done, hence the high failure rate.
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Both sides have been cruel to each other, but this is just crossing the line. Hamas seems to have signed its own death warrant. But a lot of Israelis are also gonna die in the process.
I'm referring to a low intensity conflict, not a lone attack.
Always take info from both the sides with mountain of salt, both the sides will create propaganda to justify their actions. Its not that warring parties dont indulge in such macabre acts its just until it is verified by credible party its not worth taking seriously.
there are enuf in EU please send some to amerika, they need to be reminded of what these ppl are capable of.
americans created king kongs out of these monkeys.
Besides whataboutism, what is your point here? The Americans are not fighting in Ukraine. If they were, Russia would have been finished long ago.
I wish to congratulate New Zealand on their successful relocation to the Atlantic Ocean.
Yes they did. Proof: they started one.
Ukraine would never have wanted to join NATO if Russia hadn't seized Crimea and the Donbass in 2014. This is the seminal event that made practically the entire Ukrainian population realize that Russia was a hostile power and that they needed to find protection against Russian military ambitions.
And it was never about NATO; or rather the only reason why Russian is against NATO is that NATO means they can't invade safely. It always was about Russia's dreams of reconquering its former empire.
Anything else is myth-peddling and useful idiotism.
No, but in a lot of other countries. Around 2 million dead there.
It's easy to get someone to start a war, the Americans know it well.
In 2008?
Generally, one needs to give an excuse to do something that big. If Gaza is wiped out, the Hamas attack becomes excuse enough.
Both Merkel and Poroshenko have confirmed they wanted war with Russia.
please explain? If so why are they not doing it. You do understand the reason why countries fight proxy wars right ?
If in 9/11 a commercial jet can hit pentagon, why are you so surprised?
And as I said: it reminds me of Z-4. Meaning that accepting it wholesale would have basically legitimized invasion and enabled Russia to interfere within Ukraine as it wanted. And if memory serves me, separatists did not respect it either, and had made it rather clear that their goal was wholesale separation from Ukraine.Minsk was the peace plan to Donbas' rebellion. The choice for Russia was between Minsk agreement and all-out war. They had made this clear. For whatever reason the West decided to ignore that.
Former German chancellor Angela Merkel in an interview with German news outlet Der Spiegel defended her policy towards Russia and said her stance on Ukraine during the Minsk peace talks bought Kyiv time to fight Russia better.Ukraine War: Merkel Says Minsk Talks Helped Kyiv Buy Time, Prepare Better - News18
Speaking to German news agency, Merkel defended her Russia policy but said she failed to influence Russian President Vladimir Putinwww.news18.com
Petro Poroshenko said the Minsk agreements “meant nothing” and claimed credit for giving Kiev enough time to militarizeMinsk deal was used to buy time – Ukraine's Poroshenko - The Press United
Petro Poroshenko said the Minsk agreements “meant nothing” and claimed credit for giving Kiev enough time to militarize Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended...
“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
So, for whatever reason, both Ukraine and West merely feigned to have talks, they were never serious about it. It's likely that neither of them expected Russia to escalate to a full-blown war, something Russia had already warned about. Or the West, in particular the US, assumed that Russia will take Ukraine easily and that will be followed by a low intensity conflict that will bleed Russia over many decades.
My thinking is the US wanted Russia to invade Ukraine, so the follow-up sanctions during the war would cripple their economy entirely, leading to separatist revolts. But what stopped that from happening was India rapidly buying all the freed up oil and acting as a hedge against China. It's also why the US came down heavily on India at the start of the war, and had to back down after we didn't relent. During this time, both the French and the Germans were in la la land, had no clue what was happening. They probably thought investing in the UAF would act as a deterrence against invasion, explaining the ouster of the French intelligence chief after Russia invaded. And Ukraine probably thought their new army will give them the ability to take back Donbas and Crimea.
It's the same tactics as used against Georgia and Moldova in the early '90s. It's a pattern of behaviour, not an isolated case. It's also a well-established imperial tactic dating back centuries, the Nazis used it at the start of WWII. They sent terrorists into Poland, conducted attacks, and when the terrorists were killed by authorities, they broadcast the pictures as an attack on ethnic Germans civilians and used it as a pretext to invade and create a land bridge to Sudetenland. This conflict was exactly the same thing in a different location ~90 years later.