Jammu & Kashmir live updates: GOI remove all provisions of Article 370
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Complete role reversal, this is. We would run pillar to post from UN to US after every terrorist attack, now they are doing the same. They would threaten us with Tactical Nukes and now look at them. We never claimed to have tactical nukes in our arsenal. Even though we have tested sub-kiloton warheads and have delivery mechanisms for it(Prahaar, Shauriya, Pralay missiles etc.)
As the saying goes : “हाथी के दाँत खाने के और, दिखाने के और”
Translation : Elephants have one set of teeth for eating, another set for showing.
That other forum can be very jingoistic at times. So take it with a grain of salt. Our Para SF have done counter operations however.
We don't need Nukes to level Karachi. This is narrative building, fascist Hindu nationalists have nuclear weapons, sells so well in foreign press.
Anything with Religion + Nationalism + WMD strikes at the core of Westerners. This is very clever narrative building by Pakistanis who themselves have become pariah because of Islamic Bomb coupled with terrorism. Good thing for them is Indian liberals are on same page against any sentence containing Hindu and Modi so Barkha types will push that exact 'keyword' in Washington Post and NYT.
If you have read my reply above you would have got the picture and didn't had to post the tweets.
Looks like Delhi is starting to grow a spine. Better late than never, I suppose.
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Updated: Aug 18, 2019 08:15 IST
By Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, Beijing/ New Delhi
Senior Chinese diplomats said Beijing was very serious about getting the longstanding boundary issues with both India and Bhutan out of the way. (HT File Photo )
The 22nd round of the India-China Special Representatives dialogue on the boundary issue will take place in New Delhi in mid-September. National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Dates for the meeting between Doval and Chinese State Councillor Wang Yi, the interlocutors, haven’t yet been finalised, Hindustan Times learns from Chinese and Indian diplomats.
The foreign ministers dialogue on August 11-13 in Beijing and the Special Representative talks are precursors to the October 11-12 informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in India for which Varanasi is being considered as the potential venue.
Senior Chinese diplomats said Beijing was very serious about getting the longstanding boundary issues with both India and Bhutan out of the way, and that Wang had sent “early harvest” proposals to India.
Neither side is willing to share the contents of the proposals. However, Beijing, as indicated by HT’s conversations with Chinese diplomats, is showing no signs of changing any positions with New Delhi, be it India’s membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) or full political support to its “all weather ally” Pakistan.
The trust factor between the two sides has also taken a hit after China, joined by the United Kingdom, still living in its imperial past, supported Pakistan in the informal United Nations Security Council (UNSC) meeting on Monday against the Narendra Modi government’s decision to nullify Article 370 and Article 35 A of the Indian Constitution pertaining to Jammu and Kashmir.
The overall sense from the UNSC meeting was that both countries were hopelessly outnumbered and outmanoeuvred in their quest for a formal outcome by the remaining 13 members led by the US and France.
In his meeting this month in Beijing with State Councillor Wang, who is also foreign minister, external affairs minister S Jaishankar had made it very clear that both countries should be sensitive to each other’s core concerns. “If Beijing wants India to support One China that includes Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong, then it also must support One India,” said a top official.
Indian diplomats based in the US said the latest Chinese move in support of Pakistan on Kashmir will lead to a cooling of ties; Article 370 and Article 35 A have nothing to do with beaching either the UN Charter or the 1972 Simla Agreement between India and Pakistan, they say. Despite Chinese diplomats vehemently denying it, Beijing wants to play elder brother to South Asia as the dominant power in the region and will support Pakistan for its own economic and strategic interests.
In the circumstances, mutual trust between the two countries can only be built if President Xi, or Xi Dada (elder brother as he is called), can overrule the status quoists in Beijing and opt for a mutually beneficial and mutually acceptable solution to the long-pending dispute over the boundary.
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Updated: Aug 18, 2019 08:15 IST
By Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, Beijing/ New Delhi
The 22nd round of the India-China Special Representatives dialogue on the boundary issue will take place in New Delhi in mid-September. National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Dates for the meeting between Doval and Chinese State Councillor Wang Yi, the interlocutors, haven’t yet been finalised, Hindustan Times learns from Chinese and Indian diplomats.
The foreign ministers dialogue on August 11-13 in Beijing and the Special Representative talks are precursors to the October 11-12 informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in India for which Varanasi is being considered as the potential venue.
Senior Chinese diplomats said Beijing was very serious about getting the longstanding boundary issues with both India and Bhutan out of the way, and that Wang had sent “early harvest” proposals to India.
Neither side is willing to share the contents of the proposals. However, Beijing, as indicated by HT’s conversations with Chinese diplomats, is showing no signs of changing any positions with New Delhi, be it India’s membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) or full political support to its “all weather ally” Pakistan.
The trust factor between the two sides has also taken a hit after China, joined by the United Kingdom, still living in its imperial past, supported Pakistan in the informal United Nations Security Council (UNSC) meeting on Monday against the Narendra Modi government’s decision to nullify Article 370 and Article 35 A of the Indian Constitution pertaining to Jammu and Kashmir.
The overall sense from the UNSC meeting was that both countries were hopelessly outnumbered and outmanoeuvred in their quest for a formal outcome by the remaining 13 members led by the US and France.
In his meeting this month in Beijing with State Councillor Wang, who is also foreign minister, external affairs minister S Jaishankar had made it very clear that both countries should be sensitive to each other’s core concerns. “If Beijing wants India to support One China that includes Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong, then it also must support One India,” said a top official.
Indian diplomats based in the US said the latest Chinese move in support of Pakistan on Kashmir will lead to a cooling of ties; Article 370 and Article 35 A have nothing to do with beaching either the UN Charter or the 1972 Simla Agreement between India and Pakistan, they say. Despite Chinese diplomats vehemently denying it, Beijing wants to play elder brother to South Asia as the dominant power in the region and will support Pakistan for its own economic and strategic interests.
In the circumstances, mutual trust between the two countries can only be built if President Xi, or Xi Dada (elder brother as he is called), can overrule the status quoists in Beijing and opt for a mutually beneficial and mutually acceptable solution to the long-pending dispute over the boundary.
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
Some low key minister needs to give a statement on highlighted part , we need to be clearLooks like Delhi is starting to grow a spine. Better late than never, I suppose.
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Updated: Aug 18, 2019 08:15 IST
By Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, Beijing/ New Delhi
Senior Chinese diplomats said Beijing was very serious about getting the longstanding boundary issues with both India and Bhutan out of the way. (HT File Photo )
The 22nd round of the India-China Special Representatives dialogue on the boundary issue will take place in New Delhi in mid-September. National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is evaluating the “early harvest” proposals sent by Beijing to build trust between the two sides ahead of the meeting.
Dates for the meeting between Doval and Chinese State Councillor Wang Yi, the interlocutors, haven’t yet been finalised, Hindustan Times learns from Chinese and Indian diplomats.
The foreign ministers dialogue on August 11-13 in Beijing and the Special Representative talks are precursors to the October 11-12 informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping in India for which Varanasi is being considered as the potential venue.
Senior Chinese diplomats said Beijing was very serious about getting the longstanding boundary issues with both India and Bhutan out of the way, and that Wang had sent “early harvest” proposals to India.
Neither side is willing to share the contents of the proposals. However, Beijing, as indicated by HT’s conversations with Chinese diplomats, is showing no signs of changing any positions with New Delhi, be it India’s membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) or full political support to its “all weather ally” Pakistan.
The trust factor between the two sides has also taken a hit after China, joined by the United Kingdom, still living in its imperial past, supported Pakistan in the informal United Nations Security Council (UNSC) meeting on Monday against the Narendra Modi government’s decision to nullify Article 370 and Article 35 A of the Indian Constitution pertaining to Jammu and Kashmir.
The overall sense from the UNSC meeting was that both countries were hopelessly outnumbered and outmanoeuvred in their quest for a formal outcome by the remaining 13 members led by the US and France.
In his meeting this month in Beijing with State Councillor Wang, who is also foreign minister, external affairs minister S Jaishankar had made it very clear that both countries should be sensitive to each other’s core concerns. “If Beijing wants India to support One China that includes Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong, then it also must support One India,” said a top official.
Indian diplomats based in the US said the latest Chinese move in support of Pakistan on Kashmir will lead to a cooling of ties; Article 370 and Article 35 A have nothing to do with beaching either the UN Charter or the 1972 Simla Agreement between India and Pakistan, they say. Despite Chinese diplomats vehemently denying it, Beijing wants to play elder brother to South Asia as the dominant power in the region and will support Pakistan for its own economic and strategic interests.
In the circumstances, mutual trust between the two countries can only be built if President Xi, or Xi Dada (elder brother as he is called), can overrule the status quoists in Beijing and opt for a mutually beneficial and mutually acceptable solution to the long-pending dispute over the boundary.
India studying early Chinese proposals on boundary issue
Chinese are blatantly violating all sovereignity rights in SCS while lecturing on Kashmir
Agreed. We have plenty of blabbermouths in this country, here is their chance to put their mouths in the service of the nation.
But, there seems to be urgency in his rants.... Looks like something is really happening on the loc... and the mard-e-momin are resorting to hysteria, because they cannot acknowledge the "dard'
Finish all the border dispute and with China it might be a head cracking case, as they will fight with us.
I agree to that 100%
We re done with B'desh , Now is the time to take on Pakistan. In the coming 30 years when our economy is strong we can take head on with China too.
Told earlier - local units conducted multiple 'tea time' visits. Those who understand how SF works, will know what to make of such claims.
Congress functions as company, they are all mafia people. Chairman is Sonia and vice Chairman is Pappu , other stake holders are priyanka and Vadra. Its a firm which only sees business through forming government and can get corrupted or corrupt anybody. They can go to any level even conspiring with foreign intelligence to get back the hold.
This discussion can be continued in political thread, but if there are refrences or pattern which can lead that they have conspired with the foreign intelligence against the state then can be put here.
I had made the analysis like six months ago about ISI's and other foreign intelligence influence into Indian electoral and Political system and I was encountered by resistance on this forum.
Suddenly things have started to get exposed. Congress speaking as Imran Khan and Imran speaking as Congress, Many refrained or voted against A370 scrapping in the parliament. What does it prove? And slowly Imran Khan speaks about RSS and compares it to Nazi and says Oh well India is now Nehru's India and rather Modi's and RSS's India.
This is bizzare even to expect such kind of Propaganda exactly what Congress and others said. This means that whatever Congress said was planned at high level or was anti National. Because if your enemy uses such propaganda then it obviously understood what is going on.
Situation near border regions not good.obviously under these circumstances,there is no chance for talks.india has made a unilateral decision of article 370 removal based on Pakistani poor economy condition.you played it well but it will not end well for both of us.why erecting tel? A nuclear war? Now this is too much.we can fight any type of war but not nuclear war.hell no!
Did I not tell you that 26/11 was planned in India and executed from Pakistan. Had it not been for the retired armyman Tukaram Omblay, all hindus would have become certified terrorists.
Please show us one evidence of it? You are creating this bogie to somehow make UNSC get involved as you failed to get anything out of them.
Pakistan made a unilateral decision by signing Karachi Agreement with PoJK under the presence of Pakistani troops and kept it hidden till 1990 and also acceded Kashmir's land to China that was also unilateral.
Did you ask us when you bifurcated GB with rest of Kashmir?
Thus Pakistan loses all right to challenge India on the Basis on unilateral decision making by any party.
Game is over for you!