Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

jetray said:
Dude hope you think in a sane & logical manner instead of resorting to emotional outburst.
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I am cool and ignoring the emotional outburts while being pragmatic in my approach.

Not every terrorist attack can be stopped, most of the time intelligence will be available if the attacks are being planned inside the territory.
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Pak-Afghan border is less secured compared to LoC yet we intercept explosives almost every month. True, not every attack can be stopped and we ave failed many times and lost civilians and children but we don't point all fingers at you or Afghanistan all the time. We know our weakness and we are dealing with it (Zarb en Rudd).

There are always useful idiots to do the dirty job that does not absolve Pakistan of the attack, this trick is not some thing new remember the so called "Indian mujahideen" which was planted by ISI ?
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Funny that you brought this up. You have been doing this in Balochistan for ages. Many Baloch seperatists who gave up the arms have confessed taking orders from you.
And there's Yadav ofcourse...

IED's can be made from fertilizers no need to smuggle from outside. This is not a job of a small time local militant but it bears all the hallmarks of professional hit job right from tracking convoys to how to ambush them in military style. Only other ppl who would keep track of such large scale convoy/enemy troop movement is Pakistan military.
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And that's exactly my point. You have traitors inside and a well oiled machinery arming the separatists and your intel has failed to intercept such a huge amount of IED that was most probably acquired locally. It is very easy to blame others for your own failures. It happens all the time.

Stop using the election ruse its pretty much worn out, JEM has already claimed responsibility for the attack that should put all your theories to rest.
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Pakistan is in no position to provoke India or go to war. Govt and army both know that. The only one to benefit from a terrorist attack is the BJP and it was predicted and expected. And here it is.

Btw, the bomb was carried by a local, a boy from the Valley. End of story.
 
Neo said:
Well he's not saying that we did surgical strikes inside your territory and called Modi to collect the bodies from inside your own territory. Now that would be a lie. :eek:
Neither did he shamelessly produce a chest thumping movie to justify them, did he? :unsure:

Dude I am restraining myself from hurting your feelings as I respect the deads and don't want to mock them or your country. So kindly request you to endorse the courtesy and not to provoke me either.
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But...we did enter your territory....killed dozens of terrorists....and made a movie about it.....
 
Guynextdoor said:
Yeah...people have spontaneously risen because of their extreme love to join...Pakistan..... I mean of all the lame things to say.
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No love for Pakistan but freedom is what they are waiting for since 1947.

Ask the Bangladeshis what they think of 1971- a day of great deliverance is how they declare it.
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Oftopic and irrelevant as this Indian vassal state does not carry any political, economic or strategic clout to pay any attention to. It has to listen to its master and that's what they are doing.

Wake up and smell the coffee einstiein...people wanting to join Pak is just a pipe dream. This is you guys *censored*ing with a porous border and brainwashing people.
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Seriously confused now. Where did I say that they want to join Pakistan? :unsure:
 
Neo said:
No love for Pakistan but freedom is what they are waiting for since 1947.


Oftopic and irrelevant as this Indian vassal state does not carry any political, economic or strategic clout to pay any attention to. It has to listen to its master and that's what they are doing.


Seriously confused now. Where did I say that they want to join Pakistan? :unsure:
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Actually in 1965 the people of Kashmir themselves outed out your mujahideens and asked India to squelch you. So azaadi from 1947 is a flawed argument. Sure- 'Kashmir wants Azaadi' is what you say one side while on other side your people j**k off to naarey like 'Kashmir Banega Pakistan'- so that Kashmir can become as prosperous and well developed as pakistan....

PS- BD has more political, economic and strategic clout than Pakistan.
 
Neo said:
Yeah I know that, I was up all night and following the tall claims of jets and choppers flying around and mushroom clouds to be seen rising from Pakistan. Modi even said that he made a call to Pakistan to collect the dead bodies and I was thinking what chootiyapa is this? If the alledged bodies are on our territory so why does he need to make a call? I still haven't figuered it out. Seriously, I have not. :unsure:

Btw, your beloved Christine Fair mocked the movie as fictive. :LOL:
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You must spend more time crying over the fact that any country seems to be able to cross the border and let loose a barrage of attacks on your terrorists. If your leaders did that instead of feeding you lies, maybe the sheer embarrasment of first the US and then India just walking in to screw you would be considered too big a price to pay in return for spawining terrorists. At a time when you are again running to the IMF with a begging bowl we are getting ready to f** you- this is the latest 'gift' your ISI is giving you.
 
randomradio said:
We shouldn't go to war until we have a proper BMD system in place, particularly ones protecting critical military infrastructure and the metro cities. Pakistan isn't our only 'enemy'.

What are the other options we have other than going to war?
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Who told you that we do not have some kind of BMD in place?
 
Another sad sad day in Kashmiri history.
Tonight mothers fathers brothers daughters children of the lost souls will be crying tears of blood.
May the souls be resting in peace.

Before getting involved in heated and passionate debate - i wish to not engage on the blame game and eventualities and outcome of this hideous act. Just to take a moment out to realize we bleed and breathe the same and there is no difference in the pain when losing lost ones.....
 
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Neo said:
Ask them again, anno 2019 and you will be surprised by the outcome.


Same can be heard in the Valley, Pakistani flags are hoisted in Srinagar even on Rebublic Day which is regarded as Black Day in Kashmir.
And Modi is forced to wave to his imaginary friends while visiting a remote lake according to Mehbooba. ;)


Thanks for the good laugh, I needed that mate. :p:D;)
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2019 is faaaaar simpler to solve than you think it is. and we are already doing what needs to be done. Kashmir valley is a sliver of a land. We're trifurcating the state into 3- with Buddhist Ladakh (70% of the land) and Non supportive Jammu (another 20% of the land) out of the picture, the 'enthusiasm' for kashmir will have to be seen. The people in those places like to threash separatists like dogs anyway. This will solve kashmir issue for good.
 
There has to be an economic cost. People are screaming for war. But, with what objective?

1. Will a war stop Pakistan from sending jihadis?
2. Will it stop giving them protection?
3. Will it result in any advancement of goals?
4. What is our long term objective?
5. What is a cost, which makes life miserable for the opponent?

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1. No
2. No
3. This depends on our long term objective.
4. Reclaiming of Jammu & Kashmir, including territory from China.
5. This cost has to be borne by the PA and the political establishment. The people of Pakistan will be collateral damage. The quicker we come to this realisation, that there will be collateral damage the more efficient will be our response.

I would recommend going for a slicing strategy across PoK, starting from southern areas, north west of Jammu. Specifically, the Mangla dam area, Mirpur district. This dam controls the irrigation to a lot of the Pak projects. In the first move, bring this area under our control. Do not escalate it to other areas, unless Pak decides. Once occupied, do not return the area and claim as our own.

Once achieved, this brings the tiny finger area which portrudes into India, north of Jammu into picture. Capture of this area will reduce the ability to PA to target Jammu.

This will ensure, we are not crossing the IB, yet taking back territory. It also creates a rupture in the belief of the Pak occupied Kashmiris, the PA cannot defend them. Allow existing residents to exit over to other parts of PoK and re-populate the area with Kashmiri Pandits.
 
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Neo said:
The finder doesn't have magic tricks to go stealth in India. There is a domestic network and you have failed to dismantle it despite very very tall claims after Pathankot and Uri eposides. Try to find out what went wrong everytime.
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You can't dismantle an ideology based on religion. When there is direct support to encourage one. And no one claimed to dismantle anything. Modi even said SC only had limited objective.

Neo said:
We have suffered much worse terrorist attacks on our soil so I understand the pain.
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But you deserve it. Its only karma. Unlike us who like to be left alone. Who is ok with the current status quo and likes to grow economically.

Saying we also suffered is a cheap argument especially when the state continues to distinguish between good and bad terrorists.


Neo said:
And there you go again. Well if Karkare was alive he would have proved you wrong.
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He would be proud! the entire security preparedness changed in indian cities. Almost every city got well trained CT always on call. Navy/CG got 10x in coastal surveillance. Created NIA and reformed internal intel architecture. etc

Our current state of military preparedness owes a lot to the failures of 62/ kargil. Those were the best catalyst of change.
 
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Man...ours is the only country in the world, which is not ready for declaring a war even after an attack of this magnitude... Seriously, What is our threshold... atleast we can bomb the kashmir if our politicians are afraid to fight a war with porks...
 
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Neo said:
Arre kahe ko majak karat ho bhaiyya, humaar petwa me to pehle se he dard hovat hai hans hans kar.
Susri Hajmola bhi khattam ho gai hai aaj. :rolleyes:
Na kar babuwaa...na kar.
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Division Area km2 Percentage Area
Kashmir15,948 15.73%
Jammu26,293 25.93%
Ladakh59,146 58.33%
India-administrated Jammu and Kashmir101,387 km2100%

https://www.magzter.com/news/887/2390/092018/q9bra

‘Ladakh Autonomous Hill Development Council (Amendment) Bill, 2018’
And Jammu are both being moved out of the state.

Kashmir is barely 15% of the state. And we're taking all other territory out and retaining Kashmir only as 'valley'- 150 Km long and 10 Km wide- it's the distance of going to my office and back. Good luck trying to keep 'azadi' alive in this stretch. Try telling the Budhists in Ladak that these lands 'historically' belong to 'muslim kashmir', they threash the living hell out of you. As for Jammu, the 'support' that is found in for sepratists is well seen today - the anti pak protests were so violent we had to impose curfew.

Violent Protests In Jammu Over Pulwama Attack, Curfew On, Army On Standby
 
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Been away from forum and I see it's occupied by delusional jihadis.

One of the clown mentioned something about Strike being fake and Indian army lying about 62. Maybe he need to ask his master Raheel what happened that night that those mighty powerful army defeating 2 super powers wet their pants and didn't even accepted own dead.

As far as lying goes Indian army inform even small to big incident, no matter how humiliating it is however their is one particular army notorious for lying, we all know which one. They even won 71 war and New York Time is published uncensored even today.

It's funny the delusion these clowns live in, either they are some puncture man whose far cousin is posted on LoC got a cheap smartphone or some charsi high on own shit. Unfortunately this forum is not for your musings so I may have to clean up the propaganda next time they post.


Jihadi pigs spreading their madarsa chhap filth is not allowed.
 
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@Neo

see this map to which you guys j**k off to? He're's a little spoiler for you....ONLY a sliver of land around Sri Nagar is actual Kashmir Valley. The rest, which you call disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir is mostly Budhist Ladak and jammu. Starting in Sep 2018 we just declared Ladak and Jammu as separate, leaving the 'true' size of valley. You still wanna keep doing this?

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...93240553477@1447510170660/Map-of-Pakistan.png

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Guynextdoor said:
@Neo

see this map to which you guys j**k off to? He're's a little spoiler for you....ONLY a sliver of land around Sri Nagar is actual Kashmir Valley. The rest, which you call disputed territory of Jammu & Kashmir is mostly Budhist Ladak and jammu. Starting in Sep 2018 we just declared Ladak and Jammu as separate, leaving the 'true' size of valley. You still wanna keep doing this?

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...93240553477@1447510170660/Map-of-Pakistan.png

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No need to derail and quote the delusionals, few years down the line when in dispute of some corner plot or commission some army general will tell all what happened on night on 28 September and these clowns will be ashamed again or maybe they are habitual of it now.

Lal topi syndrome has plagued most incest born kids in Pakistan which is epidemic there due to cousin marriage, they were reducing India to Sri Lanka by 2010.

Show sympathy and compassion, they bite more then they can chew and now losing the mind.
 
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