Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

aaj to ambush nahi tha na, fir aaj 5-0 ke score se pahale kyu nahi udaya ghar ko? katta thama ke bole hain modiji ki khuli chhut de di hai?
I don't think the house was brought down.... have seen the pic of the pigs... it did not suggest that...

edit: Pic is available in this page itself
 
You dont plan a war overnight. FM SAM Makenshaw took six months to plan 1971 war. Indira wanted him to attack in March itself with just 10 days lead time.
Sir, isn't this what we have been or ought to be doing for quite sometime? All the military exercises? All the war planning?
Lastly, I am more perplexed by the way India is conducting its foreign policy post Pulwama. And the kind of statements coming out of the leadership.
 
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In 1943 Normandy landings, The Met department gave a six hour window for landings. IMD has stated that till 10th of March, the stream of western disturbances (WD) will not give us more than ten days of clear weather. The rains from WD will make the groud slippery in Punjab and also create tons of problems in Plains of Sialkot and Lahore. Shaayad iss baar Khool kee Holi hogi.
Thank you...that’s a relief that this time it will different. Every single day I am reading all defence forum, twitter handles to get a some hint of an impending strong response.
Desperation of people like me reflects in my questioning my hindu identity for the first time.
Is it the hindu character that we have all along sought for an antidote of venom in nectar. Hope not any more this time.
Hindus are not tin pots who get heated up easily. But once heated up, we are like thickest faulaad. Nor do we lose our heat nor do we calm down easily.
 
Sir, isn't this what we have been or ought to be doing for quite sometime? All the military exercises? All the war planning?
Lastly, I am more perplexed by the way India is conducting its foreign policy post Pulwama. And the kind of statements coming out of the leadership.
I do know a bit. I repeat, A bit. But whatever I know, Pakistan has had it. exactly 32 yrs and one month ago, I was part of Brasstacks. I know what it took us to load our ships. The battle with Pakistan will not be decided by IAF or IA but by IN.
 
Wars are for First World countries and irrational despots. This is the truth.

For a country like India, we first need an economic base or we will lose the country to even small problems like rationing.
Do you know about USSR? It was not exactly a First World Country in World War 2 when Hilter started its eastern front campaign. I guess we don't have any leader to say "Not a step backwards".
 
Please be precise
Our first response to this situation was knee jerk. Take away MFN and "We will isolate Pakistan diplomatically". Unfortunately, MFN does not matter. Pakistan is a large net importer from India. Trade and economic leverage simply does not exists with us.
Also "Isolataion" has proved to be impossible. You cann't stop China and you cann't stop middle east. Heck the latest statement from MBS is even more worrying :
Saudi vows to 'de-escalate' India-Pakistan tensions after Kashmir attack
Saudi Arabia vowed to "de-escalate" rising tensions between Pakistan and India during a high-profile summit in Islamabad on Monday (Feb 18)

Somehow this visit has not been delayed or postponed. I mean his visit to India. It has all the signs of bureaucracy running the show in a business as usual fashion. In other words, "Isolation" being our old and failed stance has been again brought forward and we are not even enforcing it properly. We should have asked MBS to delay his visit to sometimes later or indefinitely.
 
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Do you know about USSR? It was not exactly a First World Country in World War 2 when Hilter started its eastern front campaign. I guess we don't have any leader to say "Not a step backwards".

They didn't go to war. War was imposed on them. When war is imposed on you, you fight back.

Soviet Union was a pretty rich country even when compared to Germany. The difference in per capita income was 2x in favour of Germany, but USSR's population was more than 2x that of Germany's. So both had the same GDP.

Plus, no nukes.

The major difference today is nukes.
 
Our first response to this situation was knee jerk. Take away MFN and "We will isolate Pakistan diplomatically". Unfortunately, MFN does not matter. Pakistan is a large net importer from India. Trade and economic leverage simply does not exists with us.
Also "Isolataion" has proved to be impossible. You cann't stop China and you cann't stop middle east. Heck the latest statement from MBS is even more worrying :
Saudi vows to 'de-escalate' India-Pakistan tensions after Kashmir attack


Somehow this visit has not been delayed or postponed. I mean his visit to India. It has all the signs of bureaucracy running the show in a business as usual fashion. In other words, "Isolation" being our old and failed stance has been again brought forward and we are not even enforcing it properly. We should have asked MBS to delay his visit to sometimes later or indefinitely.

Our isolation strategy has worked well. Now the only countries dealing with them are China, Saudi and UAE.
 
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They didn't go to war. War was imposed on them. When war is imposed on you, you fight back.
They did fight a war when it was imposed on them.

Soviet Union was a pretty rich country even when compared to Germany.
USSR in 1930s was majorly an agrarian economy. Among major powers of that time, it was way behind the curve.

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia
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Germany at that time, held almost all of Europe and its economic resources were available at Hitler's disposal. Their forces were battle tested, their weaponry was more modern, their general were more experienced. Soviet union had lost most of its experienced general due to Stalin's great purge. Warmacht had not lost a single battle at that point of time, Hitler had steamrolled France like cheese cake.
 
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They did fight a war when it was imposed on them.


USSR in 1930s was majorly an agrarian economy. Among major powers of that time, it was way behind the curve.

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia
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Germany at that time, held almost all of Europe and its economic resources were available at Hitler's disposal. Their forces were battle tested, their weaponry was more modern, their general were more experienced. Soviet union had lost most of its experienced general due to Stalin's great purge. Warmacht had not lost a single battle at that point of time, Hitler had steamrolled France like cheese cake.

You are considering nominal currency. That was irrelevant during the time, trade was also practically dead. And the SU was entirely dependent on its own economy to produce weapons. Germany's successes elsewhere mean nothing, the Allies had screwed up in the Western Front.

But I think we've completely lost the point. As I said, nukes make all the difference. And there's more beyond that as well, or else Israel should have attacked Iran multiple times by now.
 
Our isolation strategy has worked well. Now the only countries dealing with them are China, Saudi and UAE.
Nope.

After China, their biggest trading partner is EU. Heck US is still a major trading partner. Just about now, SA and Pakistan signed trade deals worth 20 billion dollar.
 
But I think we've completely lost the point. As I said, nukes make all the difference. And there's more beyond that as well, or else Israel should have attacked Iran multiple times by now.
A certain Japan has ceased to exist, all Japanese are dead, right?

Honestly, if tomorrow, you find Pakistani tanks rolling in plains of Rajasthan, how will you reconcile nukes into your response?

What you are arguing is very reminiscent of "Policy of Appeasement". We know how well it went.
 
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