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What a stupid design. They want to carry a Litening pod just to deliver two LGBs. and the positioning of SPJ is again wrong. If the outer pylon can withstand the weight of two WVRs, why not carry two SPJs on the outer side each side and the WVR on the inner side of this pylon.

Does it mean SPJ is heavy ?
 
Does it mean SPJ is heavy ?
No, if you look at MK1A pic, the outer pylon is strong enough to carry two WVRs of about 100+kgs each. The Israeli SPJ pod is about 100kgs only. If they do what I have posted, they will avoid a large asymmetry bcoz if you fire both WVRs on one side, you will have about 100kgs asymmetry but if you carry two SPJs, there will be no asymmetry if both WVRs are fired.
 
The nicest configuration would be to have RBE-2AA along with the thales ew suite, then integrate Meteor. 6xMeteor with centreline fuel tank gives us a nice little CAP puglist.

Can it be done, @halloweene ?
 
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@vstol Jockey,

Since you are in touch with the forces, I presume you are in touch with the pilots who fly Tejas too. Have you heard from them about the Tejas performance in regards to its offensive and defensive capabilities? How it fares in dog fights and how effective it might be at the borders? How is its radar range and capability compared to other planes.

I am very much interested in what the users are saying about our homemade plane and whether the plane is actually going to be useful during wars.

Also, like badboy asked, why are there only 2 and not 3 under belly hard points? Will it be too much for Tejas to carry?

I'm kind of happy that MK1A will carry missiles in twin configuration. In this way, for air defense/air cover roles, it can carry 4 SRAAM in the outer pylons, 4 BVR in the inner pylons- total 8 missiles, 1 drop tank and one jammer and with A-A refueling, it can fly longer and cover the strike aircrafts.
 
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Tejas MK1A to sport a Dual-Rack Pylons for CCMs
Published April 17, 2018 | By admin

SOURCE: Satyajeet Kumar/ FOR MY TAKE / ****

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At Defexpo 2018, it was confirmed that new upgraded Tejas MK1A will come with a Dual-Rack Pylons to carry two Close Combat Missiles (CCM) in a single weapon station their by increasing it firepower tremendously.

Weapons Stations 5 or 6 can be used for Dual-Rack Pylons in pure Air-to-Air Missions or only one Mixed Air-to-Surface and Air-to-Air Missions one pylon can be utilized for Dual-Rack Pylons.

Tejas MK1A will get Self Protection Jammer (SPJ) in a Pod mounted on the weapons station 5 or 6. Russian supplied R-73 will be main WVRAAM (Within Visual Range Air-to-Air Missiles ) for the MK1 variant and MK1A will also get ASRAAM. ASRAAM weighing 88kgs each and with a range of 50km is much lighter then Python-5 and also comes with improved range.

Isreali Python-5 WVRAAM was initially selected to be armed on Tejas MK1A but was dropped due to excessive vibration found while carrying out inflight trials of the missiles system on the aircraft.

I-Derby-ER with 100km range and India’s Astra with 75km range will be other two Air-to-Air missiles which will be part of the Tejas MK1A weapons load.
 
  • We expect to get FOC for the Mk 1 by June-July 2018. Most of the tasks for the FOC are in the final stage and the rest will be completed soon. Some of the tasks under focus are the completion of integration of all FOC weapons including flight envelope expansion with the Derby BVR missiles. The software fine tuning for complete carefree manoeuvring is also in progress. The technical integration for AAR has been completed and the trials have been commenced on the ground after initial carriage flight trials. All the simulated ground tests have been successfully completed as Tejas was refuelled by placing it at various attitudes on the ground. We expect to make Tejas ready for air-to-air refuelling by the end of April.
  • Currently, we are focusing on increasing the flying rate of the Mk1 aircraft to 60 flights every month.
  • We have received the approval to prove unmanned technologies like auto take-off and landing on LCA for future uses. The unmanned version will sport Flush Air Data Systems technology for stealth feature. The design of the front also will be modified. The project will begin immediately after receiving the FOC for Mark 1.
  • We are planning to enhance the combat capabilities of the Mk 1A by integrating new weapons. Tejas has already completed precision bombing with laser-guided 1,000lb bombs and unguided bombs. The integration of Rafael’s Derby fire-and-forget missile will be completed soon, and it will serve as the Tejas’ initial medium range air-to-air armament. The integration of AESA radar is underway, and it is expected to be done soon. The AESA radar will improve air-to-air superiority and strike missions and to achieve long detection ranges and multi-target tracking capabilities.
  • More than 60% of the LRUs of Tejas are indigenously made.
  • Many countries like Singapore, Sri Lanka, Turkmenistan have shown interest in Tejas. Singapore has come forward to show interest in the trainer version of Tejas for training purpose of air force personnel.
  • The naval version of Tejas has completely mastered the ski jump, take-off from aircraft carriers, even at night time also. But, the arrested landing of the aircraft is still a challenge to be overcome. The hook for the arrested landing has been integrated and we are now progressing towards demonstration of arrested landing. We expect to prove Carrier Compatibility of Tejas by the end of the year.
http://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/4220205605.pdf
 
We have received the approval to prove unmanned technologies like auto take-off and landing on LCA for future uses. The unmanned version will sport Flush Air Data Systems technology for stealth feature. The design of the front also will be modified. The project will begin immediately after receiving the FOC for Mark 1.
if we can achieve this within next few years (2021)- i ll tip my hat to HAL folks
 
No, if you look at MK1A pic, the outer pylon is strong enough to carry two WVRs of about 100+kgs each. The Israeli SPJ pod is about 100kgs only. If they do what I have posted, they will avoid a large asymmetry bcoz if you fire both WVRs on one side, you will have about 100kgs asymmetry but if you carry two SPJs, there will be no asymmetry if both WVRs are fired.

But why do we need 2 SPJ's in the first place? Not all bombs are released at the same time, meaning there will be always be assymetry for the pilots to work on. But arent they trained exactly for this?
 
But why do we need 2 SPJ's in the first place? Not all bombs are released at the same time, meaning there will be always be assymetry for the pilots to work on. But arent they trained exactly for this?
Asymmetry during weapon release is very common thing and every pilot is trained for it. Most FBW systems with smart racks auto compensate for it. I am for two SPJs, one on each side to over come blanking of SPJ.
 
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IAF chief says #Tejas is a good aircraft that you cannot ask why it cannot replace #Rafale. Tejas is a medium role one. You cannot ask your child to go on big cycle first. Tejas Mark 1A will be better and then Tejas Mark 2 will be much better
 
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