Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Sunnylol said:
I mean ppl are

Every Tom, Dick and Harry everywhere and in this forum knew it was shot down by IAF in friendly fire, what was so path-breaking in what Shukla told?
And as for politics is concerned why would Modi or the BJP take political responsibility for the sheer incompetence of IAF.
OTOH what would have happened if govt accepted that 10 soldiers are in custody, it would have increased public pressure and given China more leverage in negotiations. Shukla was just a Colonel, I am pretty sure all other retd. higher-ranking officials like Maj Gens, Lt Gens definitely knew more, there is a reason they keep shut. I remember Shyam Sharan, Shiv Shankar Menon saying something on the same line a few days back!
The time to pin blame is not now, you can do it whenever this thing gets over, you have ample time for that. Divulging information in an ongoing operation/ standoff is not being truthfulness, its irresponsible behaviour akin to the fifth column!
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I am not blaming government for incompetence of IAF. What i am trying to say is Indian military have a habit of trying to hide their F-ups and shouldn't be taken as god Almighty's word. They tried to hide it in Kargil and that proved disastrous. They also tries to hide their f-up for months to avoid public pressure ( helicopter saga) and paint a pictures of imaginary victories.

What happening is Chinese border is one big f-up. It seems like army is trying to brush it under carpet. China has already built more than 500 structures between finger 4 & 8 according to satellite images. They attacked and cleaned up our patrol party. Chinese are in full strength and ready to fight and all options are on the table. However, from our side, build up is nowhere close and we are betting on talking to china nicely and they go back
 
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Golden_Rule said:
Modi should declare the '93 or '96 agreement null and void,
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There are thousand of such border and RoE and territorial agreements where National Chacha's and Tai's and bapus have signed on behalf of India with foreign countries without asking the nation. How many will Modi fix? A country which gets money from foreign country to maintain it's president's house as heritage can even think of beyond do waqt ki roti, daru and dawa? Never. Is desh kaey 60% mein wo jazba hi nahi.

Handful of people like you all and other members here know what is happening in Ladakh , over 60% whom I call as Tik Tok generation wouldn't even care. They are busy making absurd videos. This is why GOI also doesn't care.
 
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Volcano said:
Hopefully that is true. IF true we could see satellite pictures soon. Chinese are bringing infantry vehicles right up to LAC and we can't without bridges. Bringing vehicles means fast casuality evacuation, movement and reinforcements. That gave china huge advantage in the last hand to hand fight.
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Satellite pictures by D-atis, had shown progress, with the complete bridge span already in place.. So, its true..
 
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Arvind said:
Must have some video for all this act by Chinese while our men were counting their stretchers. Or even that is confidential or memory card got corrupted?
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surely they will come out and both sides will show them at some stage. But how many videos have you seen of captured Indian soldiers and dead Indian soldiers to conclude what you did. How can you be so subjective in assessing things. The biggest tragedy of this nation are the Saboot gang.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
surely they will come out and both sides will show them at some stage. But how many videos have you seen of captured Indian soldiers and dead Indian soldiers to conclude what you did. How can you be so subjective in assessing things. The biggest tragedy of this nation are the Saboot gang.
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The biggest tragedy of this nation is our institutions which are biggest failures and have to resort to finding refuge in mis-information to salvage some respect.

The irony, they want the nation to believe their story without the having an opinion or critical thinking. Secondly, they have audacity to call others "Gaddar" if they call them out for their treachery.

I do not see a difference in Political masters and Army generals who share neighborhood on Akbar road.

By the way is there a need of video of our dead soldiers? Just visit their homes and experience the "saboot" on your own. Are you feeling proud of letting our dead be declared on our own? Perhaps soon the nation will lose this privilege as well.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
surely they will come out and both sides will show them at some stage. But how many videos have you seen of captured Indian soldiers and dead Indian soldiers to conclude what you did. How can you be so subjective in assessing things. The biggest tragedy of this nation are the Saboot gang.
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Sir the Chinese are people who take out
ORGANS of living people ie prisoners and political enemies


And our Forum Members think , that they
Developed Compassion for our 10 Soldiers

How stupid they can be

Secondly it was from the beginning a planned operation to capture our soldiers to be used for bargaining

And in this case only the fear of a bigger loss forced them to abandon all their plans
 
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Sulla84 said:
If we really had chinese soldiers in custody, forget army statement, just a tweet from ANI or some of BJPs trusted journalists would have been enough, until China explicitly denied it.. But, we have complete radio silence. It only means that there were no chinese hostages..
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We surely did not have any captive, no doubt about that but we killed theirs too, you can't really take any captives outnumbered 6:1 fighting in their well-entrenched area. There is no point in holding captives in this scenario if not in large numbers. Either we kill them or throw them out. What's the point in taking captives unless in large numbers? They are a non-democratic country PLA declares battle casualties with a lag of 30 years. thy couldn't care less about PoWs. Captives work in negotiations only if the other side is democratic and will be under public pressure
 
Arvind said:
Nothing has happened, no captives, no deaths, no killing. Please sleep tight.
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No, I will only believe the government and media when it suits my narrative/outrage, otherwise not, even if it is coming from the same person/source. Also The Chinese must be lying about their casualty for international consumption. Most importantly I will have different standards for verification/believing!
 
Sunnylol said:
We surely did not have any captive, no doubt about that but we killed theirs too, you can't really take any captives outnumbered 6:1 fighting in their well-entrenched area. There is no point in holding captives in this scenario if not in large numbers. Either we kill them or throw them out. What's the point in taking captives unless in large numbers? They are a non-democratic country PLA declares battle casualties with a lag of 30 years. thy couldn't care less about PoWs. Captives work in negotiations only if the other side is democratic and will be under public pressure
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What was the worst case scenario

The Chinese killing our 10 men and releasing pictures

Then we would have done the same and CCP propaganda would have ended

They want our land and with minimum loss and effort

And this To and Fro Game of LEVERAGE
was necessary to prevent them.from
Getting this desired land easily

So now they are back at square one

Where they have to.fight and Die for Territory

Add to it PLA getting whacked is a moral victory for India -- inspite of such odds against Indian Army
 
Volcano said:
I am not blaming government for incompetence of IAF. What i am trying to say is Indian military have a habit of trying to hide their F-ups and shouldn't be taken as god Almighty's word. They tried to hide it in Kargil and that proved disastrous. They also tries to hide their f-up for months to avoid public pressure ( helicopter saga) and paint a pictures of imaginary victories.

What happening is Chinese border is one big f-up. It seems like army is trying to brush it under carpet. China has already built more than 500 structures between finger 4 & 8 according to satellite images. They attacked and cleaned up our patrol party. Chinese are in full strength and ready to fight and all options are on the table. However, from our side, build up is nowhere close and we are betting on talking to china nicely and they go back
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I agree with you army screwed up big time this time mainly from intelligence and strategy point of view!
 
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Arvind said:
The biggest tragedy of this nation is our institutions which are biggest failures and have to resort to finding refuge in mis-information to salvage some respect.

The irony, they want the nation to believe their story without the having an opinion or critical thinking. Secondly, they have audacity to call others "Gaddar" if they call them out for their treachery.

I do not see a difference in Political masters and Army generals who share neighborhood on Akbar road.

By the way is there a need of video of our dead soldiers? Just visit their homes and experience the "saboot" on your own. Are you feeling proud of letting our dead be declared on our own? Perhaps soon the nation will lose this privilege as well.
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Anyone can lick up to anybody's A$$. You have heard what the Chinese MEA guy had to say. He says no Indian was held hostage. And yet want to believe all those who say that 10 Indians were held hostage. Who is telling the truth here and whom do you believe and for what? Open your eyes and smell the coffee. Chinese and Indian govts are trying to bury the truth asap. That is the reason we have no videos and pictures. But truth is there for all to be seen. Why would a victor ever hide his victory? Any explanation for the silence of Chinese if they had won it? As the chuti$a saboot gang believes.
 
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