Irony is Shukla said since day one they had hostages and the Goi official stand was everyone is accounted for.
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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He is only trying to save the netas by making up stories. No military in the world publically informs which radar where what is activated. This is absurd. If radars are activated the Chinese can also sniff their electronic signature and triangulate it. And if they were not activated before that means Indian military was not expecting China to foul play.
kesa kesa log twitter pe ghumta hai, chandu maharaj type.
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Modi should declare the '93 or '96 agreement null and void, make outposts on the ridges along the LOC and use weapon of every sort when felt threatened. India should dictate its own terms to guard the LOC. No more talks and agreements. china has proven to be a bigger terrorist state than pakistan.
In the ultimate game plan, India should declare the Tibet as a free country and militarily reclaim Aksai Chin. Any third party (read China) if they come in the way, the consequences will be dangerous for them. Pigs understand only straight talk.
These rumours were floating around since the very first day but IA made a statement only last evening. So you can add up the dots.
We will see in future. Chinese did make such offer but India is in no mood to take it. Please read my other post also about "something being done by us". These guys have not been returned on a platter. We also did something to force them to do it.
Twitter blackouts. They are so afraid that even after Balakot strikes we have to burry few soldiers mutilated.
Surrounded as in? Unless you took them hostage what does surrounding mean? It's been 3 days, if you surround them they can send reinforcement unless you think 100% army is already deployed and can't be moved.
True, and it feels like Nepal too will be getting ideas now. Won't be surprised anymore if they capture our soldiers in Kalapani and we start negotiating and vacating that territory.They intruded your territory and negotiated with you by capturing 10 of your men. Just like Pakistan did by capturing Abhinandan.
They know now, that capture Indians and India will negotiate
There were reports since the beginning that China had taken captives. They didn't kill them though, for leverage.
What the army said is no one is "missing in action". Missing in action means HQ has no idea what happened to the soldiers, which is not the case here.
How long this SOP, ROE be used as scapegoat?
Wait for government to deny it, saving image is more important that saving land. As long as supreme leaders image is managed borders don't need to be managed.
Forum member and even senior members are really feeling down with what is transpiring. We should remember we are for a long haul in Ladakh border. 10 captured of IA and returned, We also captured atleast 1 on Pangan So video. Ambush needs to be answered. Capturing and killing Indian petrol and firing on unarmed soldiers are very common with Chinese since 1960s.Do you think PLA will miss the chest thumping in People's Daily if all is well with them and if IA would have back tracked. We should respect the bravery of Bihar Regiment boys.
One thing is for certain, how things stand now, its damn near impossible for GoI to save face if it doesn't do anything substantial.
Also, Chinese are avoiding the chest thumping for a different reason - they don't want any information of what their army is doing in public domain.
This allows total deniability. Whatever is said against them, they never did it, it never happened that way - this will be the line the Chinese will use.
However, in our country the process is totally different! We expect to see it unfold like a T20 match on tv! Slam bang for 3 hours & over.
Unfortunately, that's not how this will go.
Most importantly, anything less than Chinese being evicted will not help GoI's cause, at the beginning people like Ajay Shukla, Panag etc were being called as hysteric for their reports, but slowly, people are starting to sense that the issue lies else where & that our country was in denial for far too long.
When the whole country starts questioning it's own government's capabilities, it's a do or die for them.
Now only time will tell, if they DO or they DIE!.
nepal police not even army. mandarins will instruct not to do any thing that might harm bilateral relation. They might even suggest we should get anticipatory bail from nepal for all our men who are guarding the border.
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This government has made security forces a laughing stock as the fronts are opening every year fake bubbles which were created till now are bursting. At least don't talk tall when your policies and planning are responsible for pathetic performance.
Disagree on one point , Chinese does not want to public to know information. Have you seen how Global Times reporting air space violation count of Taiwan with each passing day. They are not reporting due to PLA loss. Would have been a headline material if IA backtracked on Monday night.
The government didn't ask the army not to have an armed over-watch like @Falcon said.
Just as much problem there is with the political leadership, there are also problems with army leadership.
Based on that logic, they had ample reason to go public when they had IA soldiers in captivity.
What better way to thump their chest & show IA in poor light. But they didn't do that either & this had nothing to do with their loss in my honest opinion.
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Do they care, these mere symbolisms have no value. Even if the meets what would he would do ?
Frankly some of our foreign policy practices look way too childish.
PLA attacked our troops on 15-16 eveneing/night. on 16th early morning we surrounded them at another place to build counter pressure. I had posted that Galwan rivers flows to India so anyone being washed down will flow down to India. PLA was seen removing its dead/injured and IA counted 46 stretchers being taken from Indian side alone. There were many which were removed from chinese side also. IA stated that all soldiers are accounted for. Accounted does not mean all are with us. We had nearly a company wiped out. 20 dead, 18 seriously injured, 58 lightly injured and 10 captives. So all were "accounted for".
Please read my posts on 16th. I had clearly given hints about this. Indian media is now clearly split in the vertical. We have strong pro and anti establishment media houses. None of them is telling the truth. While we have media questioning the 46 PLA deaths, they are not willing to accept 20 dead for IA and vice versa.
Let me tell you the truth. Our dead are 20 only and we did have 10 held as captive. The PLA dead are over 65 with nearly 250 were surrounded and facing certain death if PLA had not released our guys. We also had some PLA soldiers with us who were being treated at our hospitals. In all, PLA has suffered a massive loss of face with their dead and injured in multiples of our own dead/injured. What has shook the PLA is that inspite of such a detailed planning, they lost out badly.
PLA now wants time to rethink its strategy and buy time to further refine their tactics. They are not going to back off even after such a massive loss. We have to be prepared to go into offensive now when they are completly clueless and disorganised.
The Northern Army commander is Lt. Gen Y Joshi. He led a batallion in Kargil war and he nows mountain warfare better than many others of his seniority. Lastly try and read what Modi meant by "maartay maartay maray hain". This was not a terrorist attack in which our soldiers were killed in sleep like in URI or blown up in a bus like Pulwama. it was a fight and our soldiers died fighting. Modi is keeping a door open to back down and stike China financially first.
Please read my posts on 16th. I had clearly given hints about this. Indian media is now clearly split in the vertical. We have strong pro and anti establishment media houses. None of them is telling the truth. While we have media questioning the 46 PLA deaths, they are not willing to accept 20 dead for IA and vice versa.
Let me tell you the truth. Our dead are 20 only and we did have 10 held as captive. The PLA dead are over 65 with nearly 250 were surrounded and facing certain death if PLA had not released our guys. We also had some PLA soldiers with us who were being treated at our hospitals. In all, PLA has suffered a massive loss of face with their dead and injured in multiples of our own dead/injured. What has shook the PLA is that inspite of such a detailed planning, they lost out badly.
PLA now wants time to rethink its strategy and buy time to further refine their tactics. They are not going to back off even after such a massive loss. We have to be prepared to go into offensive now when they are completly clueless and disorganised.
The Northern Army commander is Lt. Gen Y Joshi. He led a batallion in Kargil war and he nows mountain warfare better than many others of his seniority. Lastly try and read what Modi meant by "maartay maartay maray hain". This was not a terrorist attack in which our soldiers were killed in sleep like in URI or blown up in a bus like Pulwama. it was a fight and our soldiers died fighting. Modi is keeping a door open to back down and stike China financially first.
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Symbolism, true. But yeah, engaging in meaningless talks with the adversary who is hell bent on screwing you while sweet talking you is nonsense.
I will be glad if we stop this BS diplomatic dialog & bickering.
Why doesn't IA issue a public statement on this and make China deny it?
It's not a loss of face for the Chinese establishment if it remains hidden, away from public knowledge.
IAF monitoring the situation 24x7 -
Have we finally come to our senses?
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They will neither deny no acknowledge they will simply ignore. Look onus is on us to release evidence only then china will respond. If not it is just mental gymnastic exercise for our self consumption. For them they got what they wanted , why would they care what India says? We can even claim we captured 1000 soldiers and let them go. They would hardly respond. I bet not many chinese would even know there is a confrontation going on.