Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Freezerdam said:
Sir ,can you pls post about latest news of soldiers who were taken hostages...Are they came back
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All soldiers back.

Let me give you the bitter pill:

1. The CO did not have an overwatch. You always have an overwatch (armed) when such situations occur. No ROE prevents you from taking precautions to protect your men and yourself.

2. Stupid logic of having served in UN so he went to make Chinese vacate is being forwarded. Pure stupid. Nothing of the sort.

3. The Chinese casualties are estimates. Estimates are based on what you assume you know. And has an observer bias always. The scuffle was uphill for own troops. Let me know when person throwing stones from top is dominated by those from bottom running up a rocky terrain in high altitude. And moving in phases. More crap than I can rebut floats around. Facts do not have PLA casualties greater than IA, including all types KIA and wounded (even scratched).

4. Indication that the captured troops were paraded in a humiliating manner at the Div Commander meet is coming forth.

5. There is a rumor that the IA first attacked. Non-sense. They were 'lured in' I wrote 'suckered in'.

6. Now the PLA is testing Indian political will in Arunachal. You will start hearing of standoffs there in a few days. Large tracts of land remain mutually uninhabited - PLA is moving in even as our politicians twiddle their thumbs.

7. IA was asked to pull back from some features as part of CBM …. without verifying actual PLA withdrawal. That is off the record strictly.
noksss said:
Sheer guts and raw courage added with the anger to avenge the death of their CO = Chinese regretting their action for a very long time .
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Hardly. They did exactly what they set out to do.
 
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randomradio said:
Wasn't Bhutan supposed to create presence there? IIRC, according to open source, both India and China agreed that South Dokalam was supposed to be patrolled only, with no permanent presence.
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North Dokalam plateau was patrolled by both sides. South was never by PLA till mid 1990s. Then the wise PVNR had JWG and rode roughshod over the protest of the CO of the Sunnyvale Unit tasked with defences there to accept proposal for mutual withdrawal and draw down of troops. And we are aware that the Chinese never stick to their side of agreement. Please. Let us not be so naïve.
Defc0n said:
I think our response will continue to be reactive, our PM made it clear that if we are provoked, we will hit back hard.
Now the question is define provocation - When is it to be called as provocation ?

1) China is responsible for the bloodbath when they got their a** handed to them by IA, then trying to shift blame on India. (Provocation?)
2) China claiming that Galwan always belonged to China, like seriously!! (Provocation?)
3) Massive build up along the LAC, and why, because we were building a road within our border. (Provocation?)

Or may be, some time in future -

4) China again resorts to some thing in line with what happened recently and there is loss of life on our part (and may be on their part). (Provocation?)

So, what I want to understand is the tolerance threshold, beyond which GoI/IA will consider it to be a provocation.
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Will come back on it later in the day.
 
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Falcon said:
Will come back on it later in the day.
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Sir , we should not be so disheartened
By Mistakes on our part

We will get opportunities to avenge everything

Before 2016 , Pakistan was also so
Over confident about having stopped Indian Retaliation to Pathankot attacks

Now they are so paranoid about Indian attacks

Modi forgets nothing , it is a.question
Of timing

Our interests will be protected

And our Armed forces will do.the needful

Let the Govt take everything into consideration and arrive at a decision

I am glad.that a threshold has been crossed so that Now Kinetic action
Is just A matter of time
 
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Falcon said:
All soldiers back.

Let me give you the bitter pill:

1. The CO did not have an overwatch. You always have an overwatch (armed) when such situations occur. No ROE prevents you from taking precautions to protect your men and yourself.

2. Stupid logic of having served in UN so he went to make Chinese vacate is being forwarded. Pure stupid. Nothing of the sort.

3. The Chinese casualties are estimates. Estimates are based on what you assume you know. And has an observer bias always. The scuffle was uphill for own troops. Let me know when person throwing stones from top is dominated by those from bottom running up a rocky terrain in high altitude. And moving in phases. More crap than I can rebut floats around. Facts do not have PLA casualties greater than IA, including all types KIA and wounded (even scratched).

4. Indication that the captured troops were paraded in a humiliating manner at the Div Commander meet is coming forth.

5. There is a rumor that the IA first attacked. Non-sense. They were 'lured in' I wrote 'suckered in'.

6. Now the PLA is testing Indian political will in Arunachal. You will start hearing of standoffs there in a few days. Large tracts of land remain mutually uninhabited - PLA is moving in even as our politicians twiddle their thumbs.

7. IA was asked to pull back from some features as part of CBM …. without verifying actual PLA withdrawal. That is off the record strictly.


Hardly. They did exactly what they set out to do.
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They are pushing the govt into a corner. And especially if this comes out it will end many careers. You this the top brass will ever go on an offensive now?

Clearly this silence and trying to brush everything under the carpet will have a longterm geopolitical loss of face. Even if the national media is gagged international media will report it and everything will come out eventually.

India is just to slow to move, too big to fall and too sacred to fail. Sooner or later it will collapse as an entity to go in separate ways.
 
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Falcon said:
Questions need to be asked of the Powers that be.

There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

I have said very clearly.

Dhola Redux. Been 02 weeks and saying it.

Interestingly, the area where the ITBP - PLA standoff took place in 2017 has Chinese firmly entrenched. You think that it was not detected and informed to the GoI?

Have always maintained. We replaced one bunch with another. They attack Nehru, yet do the very same things that they attack.



Fiction.
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The ‘usual hanky panky’ over years now looks like a ruse to successfully lull us into talks / diplomacy when facts are being changed on the ground
 
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Falcon said:
Questions need to be asked of the Powers that be.

There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

I have said very clearly.

Dhola Redux. Been 02 weeks and saying it.

Interestingly, the area where the ITBP - PLA standoff took place in 2017 has Chinese firmly entrenched. You think that it was not detected and informed to the GoI?

Have always maintained. We replaced one bunch with another. They attack Nehru, yet do the very same things that they attack.
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We need to change our RoEs entirely. We most definitely need to make sure that any installation in disputed territory has to be removed, make it a red line in all the sensitive regions. And if they do not comply, we need to use force to accomplish it.

The Chinese do not understand words.
 
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Falcon said:
North Dokalam plateau was patrolled by both sides. South was never by PLA till mid 1990s. Then the wise PVNR had JWG and rode roughshod over the protest of the CO of the Sunnyvale Unit tasked with defences there to accept proposal for mutual withdrawal and draw down of troops. And we are aware that the Chinese never stick to their side of agreement. Please. Let us not be so naïve.
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So the only way to deal with the Chinese is through force...
Deathstar said:
Americans saying you are on your own.
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I recall you were saying you want an alliance?
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Sir , we should not be so disheartened
By Mistakes on our part

We will get opportunities to avenge everything

Before 2016 , Pakistan was also so
Over confident about having stopped Indian Retaliation to Pathankot attacks

Now they are so paranoid about Indian attacks

Modi forgets nothing , it is a.question
Of timing

Our interests will be protected

And our Armed forces will do.the needful

Let the Govt take everything into consideration and arrive at a decision

I am glad.that a threshold has been crossed so that Now Kinetic action
Is just A matter of time
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Typical Indian reaction. Who is Modi? He forgets nothing? He forgot Doklam in under 2 years. You are seriously under estimating Chinese capabilities. He and his government learnt nothing from Balakot. All your opponents see what you are doing.

28th February proved beyond doubt that, this government is no different from any previous dispensation. Earlier governments kept quiet and did nothing, these guys talk and do nothing.

Btw, do you realise what Falcon said? ITBP comes under the Home ministry. Guess who heads home? To do anything, you need political will. Expecting armed forces to do something supernatural is naive. And why are we always re-acting? All the time. Why did we not re-enforce positions? Because, photo-op sitting in jhoola is more important.
STEPHEN COHEN said:
It is a matter of When and Not IF
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I am sure thats what you said when the Mig was shot down. Tell me, why will the Americans align with a a country whose government does not have the self respect to hit back? Especially against a small foe?
 
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Paro said:
I think ill take that as a bluff until we see and concrete proofs of that claim.
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So the Chinese returned our 10 men
OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS

These same Chinese had clubbed to death our soldiers a few days earlier

Have you heard the principle of
LEVERAGE

We must have had some leverage
Over them , maybe we had them surrounded and cut off at some place

They could have lost many more if our
10.were not returned
 
Falcon said:
Questions need to be asked of the Powers that be.

There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

I have said very clearly.

Dhola Redux. Been 02 weeks and saying it.

Interestingly, the area where the ITBP - PLA standoff took place in 2017 has Chinese firmly entrenched. You think that it was not detected and informed to the GoI?

Have always maintained. We replaced one bunch with another. They attack Nehru, yet do the very same things that they attack.



Fiction.
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What we got from this discussion that we got our soldiers back..But what cost?

Did we gave them up to finger 4 or we kept something beneficial for bergaining??
 
randomradio said:
We need to change our RoEs entirely. We most definitely need to make sure that any installation in disputed territory has to be removed, make it a red line in all the sensitive regions. And if they do not comply, we need to use force to accomplish it.

The Chinese do not understand words.
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Why? Why not establish our own installations. When the enemy does it, publicize it. Do not hide it. Then proceed and build your own.
 
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