I believing it as much as I believe the 43 dead chinese story. I have said it already. I am only looking at confirmed items.
Actually Prasar bharti called it but .... these days truth is a very expensive commodity.
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lol.. and someone very very credible, very very very credible told me that 50+ chinese were killed.
and nobody credible claimed it.. but someone credible claimed that 10+ soldiers were captured. why dont you post the source and let others decide on the credibility? or you are afraid that your game will be up when you show the source?
we simply have to believe your highness on who is credible or not? not the extrernal affairs minister. not the army spokesperson. but your source.
what makes you think so, when the news is awash with prisoners being released. Why is the Indian govt not giving a rebuttal then? In fact we can prosecute these news for spreading enemy propaganda.
Prasar Bharati claimed the 43 chinese dead. but hey someone very credible.. very very credible to @BlackOpsIndia said thats not true. and also said 10+ were captured.
and we have pages full of depression here and badmouthing here based on that "very credible" but hidden source that only @BlackOpsIndia knows.
news is awash? you mean twitter and your mind i awash with the news. the news is also awsh with 43 , 35 or 50 chinese dead (US, UK, Prasar bharathi news) but hey - you only want to believe what you want to believe.
Simply applying my logic here: The fight takes place in an area where China dominates. It goes on for hours, when both forces disengage.. meaning the Indian soldiers head back and chinese stay.. As hundreds of soldiers were involved in the melee, there are dozens of soldiers from both sides lying on the ground injured, but it is extremely likely that Indian soldiers were not able to evacuate their injured, as there were reports that chinese vehicles charged at us, even after disengagement. So, the injured chinese are taken care of by their comrades, while injured indian soldiers are taken captive.
This news started doing rounds now, atleast I didn't see this before. I am not in favour of defending the army/gov if this turns out to be true. Moreover, in today's day and age, if our army/government thought that they could suppress such news, it's kind of stupid on their part. All I am saying is let the picture clear up a bit. Every one is accountable to the nation and its cause. If it comes out that our citizens were duped by our own forces and gov, it's credibility will be destroyed. Again, if that's true, fair enough, but unless certain we should refrain from commenting on it.
Shiv aroors tweet -
your "logic" is the source we have to go by?
"but it is extremely likely that Indian soldiers were not able to evacuate their injured, as there were reports that chinese vehicles charged at us"
lol. you guys really talk as if you were there.
not even a great imagination to boot.
Calm down. It's just source-based news. Time will tell if it was correct or not.
It is plausible though. Today only Army confirmed there is no missing person. PM also took a few days buffer for an all-party meet.
Very much possible. But this we will never know because PLA historically never discloses it.
Yeah and DD News was today retweeting Fake Netanyahu handle.
@Quicksilver your stupidity not withstanding, just wondering when tomorrow it becomes offical what will you do?
About that casualties of Chinese side Army has not claimed it, MEA has not claimed it nobody has except OSINT and then it got played on news, army or anyone still didn't claim it.
not plausible that 43 chinese died. but plausible that Indians were taken captive.
both are source based.
one source based news put off for "want of credible news"
other readily agreed as "source based"
your highness and excellency - please continue your credible sources. dont let me bother you. everyone other than you are stupid really.
Well the soldiers seem to have been captured by the Chinese because rumours were going around before this news became public. It was whatsapp news before it became online. Also the 43 killed and 35 killed claims have more gravity because it's media sources who have used it too. The problem is there is no proper reconstruction of events leading to speculation and exaggeration and we end up in a similar embarrassing situation similar to the events of 27th Feb. Multiple media guys make different claims contradicting each other which basically resulted in failure of propaganda and even truth being discarded as fake news. We are in a similar problem. The ajai Shukla party has a different records of events and the OSINT guys have a different perspective. So none of our statements end up taken seriously and a propaganda failure happens where it's us doing doubt clearing sessions because we spoke too much too early. The Pakistanis had just one output of info the dgispr the rest of the Pakistani news channels followed it even contradictory proof was smartly buried while in our case India Today claims a sukhoi is shot down while times now claims two mig 21 shotdown same problem no control no proper journalism our whole propaganda falls apart before even starting. Now the drama at galwan is similar. The GoI hasn't spoken a word the idiotic media is sensationalising events they have limited knowledge about. A confused tone is coming out of the media which all sound juvenile how do you expect to be taken seriously?? Now even if the Chinese actually suffered some damage we don't know because our media houses are run by drama queens rather than actual journalists. Now we have multiple theories of what happened but no exact round up of events. Some are even claiming that IA has captured entire pagong tso. So who knows. Part of me thinks it's a deliberate attempt by anti India forces part of me thinks it's Indian mediocrity but the end result is failure in 4g warfare. Just compare Chinese news channels to Indian news Channels or any international news channels. It's only WION that is comparable to them and still it's not upto the mark of international media like Al Jazeera,Nyt and BBC. The British government taxed it's citizen with BBC tax just to fund it's propaganda warfare using BBC. Nothing comes close to BBC for news reporting and what do we have?? DD which is still stuck in the 90's , AIR which cannot spread propaganda in Kashmiri while Pakistani radio is enough to brainwash them to become jihadis. Just think about how lethargic we have been since our inception and then suddenly wanting things to happen rapidly is just naive. You slowly change status quo's. That why Saudi ditched the Pakistanis.
Also China isn't Pakistan we can't be blindly offensive. These people are like snakes so a cautious approach by the GoI is understandable we are slowly turning up the ante. Immediate actions can be disastrous I would wait before losing faith on 56 inch. The tensions have just begun now.
The Chinese are playing GO while we are just looking at them. We do have shatranj but I don't know when we will use that.
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No,
- Chinese casualties numbers can never be confirmed, It needs corroboration which we will never get.
- Indian captives can be confirmed because now IA/GoI will have to answer the direct question.
There is tweet right above of Shiv Aroor is he nationalist enough?
That women Arti Tickoo said it 2 days ago, she was sent by India to defend on Kashmir, nationalist enough?
Yet even after this there was no statement from army till today to rebut it, connect the dots?
If you still want to live in denial that's ok. If you keep watch at news you won't struggle so much to differentiate between what's crap and what's true.
as I said your excellency - please continue. you were perhaps there and saw everything that happened right? why IA had to fight and what happened.
A serious paper will not publish an unpopular news without some verification.
No one is disputing casualties occurred. Only the number. We lost 20, 10 got captured. Quite a few got injuries of varying scale.
Fight occurred where they were strong - around their positions. All this says we did not fare too well in this round. Drop the bias and things are clear.
What if this release of Indian captives turns out to be true ? Will you admit you were wrong ?
I do take Shiv Aroor seriously.
At this point, I personally cannot doubt it.
GoI/IA has a lot to answer for now.
No acknowledgement of the fact that troops were captured is not acceptable.
Accountability has become a joke.
Hugely disappointed in the conduct of GoI/IA.
Food for thought:
What would have happened if any one captured were killed by the Chinese, would GoI/IA cover that up as well? Is this what credibility of our prestigious institution has come to.
At this point, I personally cannot doubt it.
GoI/IA has a lot to answer for now.
No acknowledgement of the fact that troops were captured is not acceptable.
Accountability has become a joke.
Hugely disappointed in the conduct of GoI/IA.
Food for thought:
What would have happened if any one captured were killed by the Chinese, would GoI/IA cover that up as well? Is this what credibility of our prestigious institution has come to.
I apologize if i come across as insensitive, but knowing that Modi gov. had got Abhinandan released by promising "Qatal ki raat" for Pakistan, even this, if true, will be spun as " Modi gov. got 10 soldiers released by promising "Qatal ki raat" for China. That the chinese did not give up their objections to Indian patrol in Galwan valley, fearing QKR will slip through...
China used these captives, to escape Indian wrath, and they appear to be successful
China used these captives, to escape Indian wrath, and they appear to be successful
To be honest - this news is clearing things up quite well.
Govt was pussyfooting because weak response would cause uproar, even a promise of severe action would risk those 10 soldiers.
This was the reason we had military talks so far. Now they are back. Ball is again in China's court. They know this issue is heating India up and unlike past times, satellite photos and a social media frenzied public fed on a diet of nationalistic propaganda will not swallow this insult.
Which is why despite our twitter warriors ravaging Global Times, China is making conciliatory sounds at least diplomatically and online. They know India has little room here and any further pressure will fire back. Win or Lose - India will lock its market to China and treat China with the obsession currently only accorded to Pakistan.
My take - they will fall back from all positions except one. The one which they actually care about. Rest all was smokes and mirrors. GoI will lick its wounds and hopefully learn a lesson.
Govt was pussyfooting because weak response would cause uproar, even a promise of severe action would risk those 10 soldiers.
This was the reason we had military talks so far. Now they are back. Ball is again in China's court. They know this issue is heating India up and unlike past times, satellite photos and a social media frenzied public fed on a diet of nationalistic propaganda will not swallow this insult.
Which is why despite our twitter warriors ravaging Global Times, China is making conciliatory sounds at least diplomatically and online. They know India has little room here and any further pressure will fire back. Win or Lose - India will lock its market to China and treat China with the obsession currently only accorded to Pakistan.
My take - they will fall back from all positions except one. The one which they actually care about. Rest all was smokes and mirrors. GoI will lick its wounds and hopefully learn a lesson.