Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[BlackOpsIndia]

Accountability has become a joke.

Hugely disappointed in the conduct of GoI/IA.

Food for thought:

What would have happened if any one captured were killed by the Chinese, would GoI/IA cover that up as well? Is this what credibility of our prestigious institution has come to.

It became joke when we let Balakot strikes slide even even every evidence pointed to cover up and no damage, we were fooled about some imaginary images that interestingly can't be shown.

People actively participated in cover up instead of asking govt to come clean, now others are learning a trick or two.

We love our forces so much so that it kind of throw you off balance when you hear such tragic news. People have meltdown here and other places after bad news. This sacred trust is not being honoured anymore. We will stand with them in failures, we always do but when you lie, mislead, don't tell, you take away that blind faith of people.

 

[screambowl]

apologize if i come across as insensitive, but knowing that Modi gov. had got Abhinandan released by promising "Qatal ki raat" for Pakistan, even this, if true, will be spun as " Modi gov. got 10 soldiers released by promising "Qatal ki raat" for China. That the chinese did not give up their objections to Indian patrol in Galwan valley, fearing QKR will slip through...

China used these captives, to escape Indian wrath, and they appear to be successful

It is also possible that India too released Chinese captives. And if not then it means, Indian patrol went to see what chinese are upto and they observed something fishy and then they objected to it and things got hot.

 

[Defc0n]

A post for everyone including me -

Tempers are running high and we are reacting to whatever information we get.
There is a big picture, one that most of us cannot see. There are experienced people at the helm of things.

My post on a tweet by meghoot got deleted with reason "Don't post tweets by nobodies"

Here I am adding a link, probably another nobody, but I liked the content -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273521194109562881

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273521196114444294

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273521198521970688

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273523767365341184

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273523771752628231

We must ask questions, we live in a democracy, but there is time for that.
For now, it's better not to engage in internal brawls and stay united.

 

[S. A. T. A]

Our Army is trained to face any eventuality and make the ultimate sacrifice in the defense of the nation. Wether they got killed in action or were taken prisoner while performing duty, the objective is that China must be denied the advantage of its transgressions and the status quo ante be restored. Else all their sacrifices would be wasted.

 

[Sulla84]

I note here that Indian soldiers were brave beyond measure to charge uphill in enemy dominated terrain, and inflict significant casualties on the chinese.. Just the picture with the number of chinese rods Indian soldiers returned with tells you that.. Every rod signifies a disarmed chinese soldier with his head split open.
But, just like Abhinandan's capture, stopped us from retaliating against an attack on our base, the capture of Indian Army guys did the same think to us this time. Thus defeating the strategic objective. If anyone has learnt anything about tactics compromising strategy from Balakot episode, it is the chinese. They just knew how to blackmail us into submission.

 

[Quicksilver]

I note here that Indian soldiers were brave beyond measure to charge uphill in enemy dominated terrain, and inflict significant casualties on the chinese.. Just the picture with the number of chinese rods Indian soldiers returned with tells you that.. Every rod signifies a disarmed chinese soldier with his head split open.
But, just like Abhinandan's capture, stopped us from retaliating against an attack on our base, the capture of Indian Army guys did the same think to us this time. Thus defeating the strategic objective. If anyone has learnt anything about tactics compromising strategy from Balakot episode, it is the chinese. They just knew how to blackmail us into submission.

i would want to note that abhinandan's capture happened after balakot, which was after pulwama.

has that hapenned here? there was a provocation. we are yet to respond.

anyone wants to bet?

 

[S. A. T. A]

To be honest - this news is clearing things up quite well.

Govt was pussyfooting because weak response would cause uproar, even a promise of severe action would risk those 10 soldiers.

This was the reason we had military talks so far. Now they are back. Ball is again in China's court. They know this issue is heating India up and unlike past times, satellite photos and a social media frenzied public fed on a diet of nationalistic propaganda will not swallow this insult.

Which is why despite our twitter warriors ravaging Global Times, China is making conciliatory sounds at least diplomatically and online. They know India has little room here and any further pressure will fire back. Win or Lose - India will lock its market to China and treat China with the obsession currently only accorded to Pakistan.

My take - they will fall back from all positions except one. The one which they actually care about. Rest all was smokes and mirrors. GoI will lick its wounds and hopefully learn a lesson.

I hope your assessment comes true, but it appears too optimistic. China has not faced any international censure for its conduct and even India appears to be backing off from any aggressive response. Moreover any retreat now by Xi will not help his position within the CPC and would be construed by his party peers as sign of weakness and knives will be out.

 

[Aurora]

GOI and Army has done right in not acknowledging the captives from the onset as it would have triggered the same BS of say no to war during the capture of Abhinandan. It had also weaken the position of our govt and army to take any stern action against China. Now after getting our soldiers released we have all the freedom to exercise our options.

And no we don't need to show any mercy or gesture to Chinese in exchange of the release of our soldiers as they are aggressors who attacked us without any provocations. It is them who are currently occupying our area. We have every right to retaliate.

 

[Sulla84]

GOI and Army has done right in not acknowledging the captives from the onset as it would have triggered the same BS of say no to war during the capture of Abhinandan. It had also weaken the position of our govt and army to take any stern action against China. Now after getting our soldiers released we have all the freedom to exercise our options.

And no we don't need to show any mercy or gesture to Chinese in exchange of the release of our soldiers as they are aggressors who attacked us without any provocations. It is them who are currently occupying our area. We have every right to retaliate.

I hope what you say is true.. but the wily chinese would have made sure that the response even if it comes, is a prick, rather than a blow from a war hammer. Also, after this gesture, if India hits back hard, people would say, Look how nice the Chinks are, they released our boys, after applying lotion.. but ugly indians went total crazy on the chinese..

 

[fyodor]

It became joke when we let Balakot strikes slide even even every evidence pointed to cover up and no damage, we were fooled about some imaginary images that interestingly can't be shown.

People actively participated in cover up instead of asking govt to come clean, now others are learning a trick or two.

We love our forces so much so that it kind of throw you off balance when you hear such tragic news. People have meltdown here and other places after bad news. This sacred trust is not being honoured anymore. We will stand with them in failures, we always do but when you lie, mislead, don't tell, you take away that blind faith of people.

I think you are confusing the two. It is never the responsibility of the Armed forces and neither are we privileged to know about casualties and hostages. It is upto the Govt to direct them to release info. They are war machines and they will do what they are ordered to do. These things are bound to happen but if we think that a few casualties/hostages mean war is "lost" then it just goes on to show that Indians have poor strategic thinking. This is one of the reasons that Chinese and Pakistanis don't release casualty figures. There public is almost same as India in these matters.

 

[Aurora]

I hope what you say is true.. but the wily chinese would have made sure that the response even if it comes, is a prick, rather than a blow from a war hammer. Also, after this gesture, if India hits back hard, people would say, Look how nice the Chinks are, they released our boys, after applying lotion.. but ugly indians went total crazy on the chinese..

Your worries are genuine and even I thought about that, but in present geo political scenario where the whole world is angry on China for many reasons I think they will support us.

 

[Proxy1234]

They are even disclosing the rank and Indian Army too did not issued any statment of anyone in Chinese captivity till the time they were released.

Wait for a day or two someone will release names too if China don't leak the videos of them as captives.

Why will Indian Army or government release day by day commentary on the situation? The Chinese are not confirming their dead, but you want Indian army or government to acknowledge daily events in a war like scenario?

I think PM Modi gave 3 days time to the Chinese to release all the captives or face larger war and the Chinese pussied out as they were prepared for only a small skirmish. Curious, as the captives were released just a day before All Party meet in Parliament....

 

[m_itsme]

It became joke when we let Balakot strikes slide even even every evidence pointed to cover up and no damage, we were fooled about some imaginary images that interestingly can't be shown.

People actively participated in cover up instead of asking govt to come clean, now others are learning a trick or two.

We love our forces so much so that it kind of throw you off balance when you hear such tragic news. People have meltdown here and other places after bad news. This sacred trust is not being honoured anymore. We will stand with them in failures, we always do but when you lie, mislead, don't tell, you take away that blind faith of people.

How do you explain only 3 impact points shown by Pak when the Mirages fired 6 SOWs at 3 targets and the fact Pakistanis took more than a month to take reporters inside. Just like SS1 the helmet cam footage were released after 2 years the satellite imagery will also be declassified.
Having said that, I understand where you're coming from and I am too pissed off at GOI handling of this current situation but, this aint over yet. Lets wait and see.

 

[vikata]

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[Golden_Rule]

Indian army says ‘no soldier in Chinese custody’: Live updates

No Indian soldier is missing in action following Monday’s clash with Chinese troops, report citing army sources says.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[randomradio]

After all those barbs and tirades against Nehru's alleged shortcomings as a leader, one would have thought that the BJP has learnt from Nehru's now well documented shortcomings on foreign policy front, particularly on China. You are right Modi and Nehru both were victims of their Hubris and self importance. Nehru perhaps could claim it was justified, but Modi. PM Modi is increasingly seeming 'cut to fit' that Nehru jacket. Life is full of ironies.

Can't consider the two considering the economic clout China has today compared to then.

 

[Hellfire]

Sir when all this was planned in Lhasa HQ ,Tibet military region were the intel guys sleeping? Till then no one raises the red flags until the sovereignty is breached?

The criteria of selection is so tough, to get caught with pants down?

Kargil was in same pattern, Doklam was also similar. You people never have right information on adversary!

Questions need to be asked of the Powers that be.

There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

I have said very clearly.

Dhola Redux. Been 02 weeks and saying it.

Interestingly, the area where the ITBP - PLA standoff took place in 2017 has Chinese firmly entrenched. You think that it was not detected and informed to the GoI?

Have always maintained. We replaced one bunch with another. They attack Nehru, yet do the very same things that they attack.

I wrote sometime back that we did some action. The 640sqm taken by China after 1993 is being returned to Modi to somehow stop him from hitting Johnsonline.
We now are in a position to surround and take POWs in south Aksaichin/Chusul. How and why, I will post on Friday as per my promise. Chinese have no options now.

Fiction.

 

[Hellfire]

I have two questions :-
1. What *Should* be armed forces objective at this point?
I mean, since political leadership has agreed that forces are free to act as per their judgement on the LAC with China.

It's only a political statement. Not exactly free.

The 'free' is not to escalate.

2. Is propaganda a useful tool against Chinese?

No use. They hold the 'aces' .. poor social media penetration and severe censoring.

 

[Freezerdam]

Questions need to be asked of the Powers that be.

There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

I have said very clearly.

Dhola Redux. Been 02 weeks and saying it.

Interestingly, the area where the ITBP - PLA standoff took place in 2017 has Chinese firmly entrenched. You think that it was not detected and informed to the GoI?

Have always maintained. We replaced one bunch with another. They attack Nehru, yet do the very same things that they attack.



Fiction.

Sir ,can you pls post about latest news of soldiers who were taken hostages...Are they came back

 

[Hellfire]

What gives strength to the Chinese, and even to the Pakistanis who responded on 27 Feb?

The lack of overt response after 27th Feb 2019 confirmed to Chinese what they suspected - the present dispensation does not have the guts to go to war when pushed.

When they hesitate to take on an adversary who can in all practicality be steam rolled quickly, what would be the GoI's reaction in taking on a 1000x tougher adversary?

And our stupid fanboys believe the nonsense that they can not fight. That is another reason why I have maintained my line of "Dhola Redux".

This was the same mistake that Indians did when Nehru assumed Chinese didn't have it in them to fight and went for the now famous 'forward policy' and built a Dhola Post. We all know how that panned out. In spite of overt Chinese build up then also, we kept our troop levels down as the political masters assured nothing will happen.

Then they simply hammered the post into ground. And rest, as they say, is history. They waited for India to attack.

The saving grace this time, we did not give a knee jerk reaction yet.