Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

ok guys stop falling for it. Looks like irrespective of the situation on the ground the contract should have been cancelled any way. Whom are these ppl fooling, document very clearly states that not much work was done since 2016. It should have been cancelled long time back. In fact we should fire the guys on why they dint cancel the contract when there was no progress.

this contract's worth is around 470 crores and this is peanuts for the Chinese.
 
I am sure thats what you said when the Mig was shot down. Tell me, why will the Americans align with a a country whose government does not have the self respect to hit back? Especially against a small foe?

And I am.sure we will create a New Template for dealing with China

It is just a question of will and ability

Pakistan has been punished a lot after Feb 27 , that SHOWS in their Paranoia and Blackouts

With China we are just starting on a new journey of conflict , it will be long and require money and manpower

Why do.people.want instant results
 
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I do , but if u aren't a reliable ally no one will support u in such times. If our strategic interests with US were aligned , they would have supported us openly.
We are drunk in strategic autonomy kool aid, so be it

"If our strategic interests with US were aligned"

There... That's the problem. Our strategic interests are not aligned anywhere. The only alternative is to become their poodle, that's how our strategic interests will be aligned.
Why? Why not establish our own installations. When the enemy does it, publicize it. Do not hide it. Then proceed and build your own.

Then we can't control escalation.
 
"If our strategic interests with US were aligned"

There... That's the problem. Our strategic interests are not aligned anywhere. The only alternative is to become their poodle, that's how our strategic interests will be aligned.


Then we can't control escalation.
If becoming a poodle helps us in our interests so be it.
U want to have your pride infact and dont wanna acknowledge your weaknesses.
Chinese will continue to salami slice and we will be like look i am friends with all, i am independent
 
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Frankly after doklam we should have given better response even china must have felt Indian response bizarre. More or less it looks like Indian batting which scored 300 in prev match and putting no fight in the current match.

Now that it is know our politicians are all hot air, they will try to press home advantage and nibble else where. But you need to give it to chinese after doklam they have come well prepared. Its not that they were any way stuck in the past incident. ppl who crib that war will impact economy or chinese are strong are those who never attempted any thing. Economy is in dumps any way war or no war. Its not that we expected to fight a full scale war but at least there was impression that they wont get away without a challenge.
 
try giving some reasons why the explanations in video are wrong. that will help me keeping scared from your dangerous PLA.

You saw that video and concluded the PLA is not worthy?

a. This video is 5 years old.
b. PLA army is party's army. So what? Its a standing army.
c. Joint command - ever heard of theatre commands of the PLA? And we are still discussing this.
d. They are going up against India, not the US. Comparing spending and tech that individual soldier carries is hilarious in the video.
e. US intelligence also said, Iraq had WMDs. So US intelligence is bad? Militaries war game all the time. Some pan out. Some don't.
f. Own aircraft carrier....any idea about now?
g. Indoctrination...how does it matter if they are effective?
h. Riddled with corruption....hm. Which military have I not head this about?

Only point is about them not fighting a war. That's about the only point that is present in the entire video. The point is not to be scared about them. But this kind of propaganda does not help, it merely under estimates them.
 
. And why are we always re-acting? All the time. Why did we not re-enforce positions? Because, photo-op sitting in jhoola is more important.
yup no doubt, commissions after commission the end result is same. We always scamper to the threat. Instead of being pro-active always reactive. We should keep them on their toes, play or get played. We simply dont have long term strategic thinking its just politicians manage that day and go back to business.
I am sure thats what you said when the Mig was shot down. Tell me, why will the Americans align with a a country whose government does not have the self respect to hit back? Especially against a small foe?
Americans will never align with a non-western country. But rest of it is true they see us as a bunch of idiots who dont deserve any respect or waste time supporting. At this rate asking for NSG or UNSC seat looks like a fools errand. Will Modi even get any respect next time he meets trump or putin? Expect even the smaller countries to ignore us.
 
If becoming a poodle helps us in our interests so be it.
U want to have your pride infact and dont wanna acknowledge your weaknesses.
Chinese will continue to salami slice and we will be like look i am friends with all, i am independent

You haven't understood. It doesn't help our interests because we do not share interests.

It's either stay ourselves and keep our interests or give up our interests and become their poodle. There is no benefit to India.

Even if the Chinese salami slice our territory, the US won't do anything. And if we go to war, the US will tell us to try and keep it limited, so they don't have to interfere. The only way the US will interfere is if China is threatening the invasion of our plains and we need to defend our way of life. And for this, we do not need an alliance, the US will come running to help us regardless. We can become their poodle then.
 
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There was a general assumption in those who give the directives, that the Chinese were building up to play the usual hanky panky. And you have to be clear - ITBP is the primary force acting there, independent of IA. IA is not exactly directly involved.

Then demand and deploy SFF types or they have also lost their valor, get Vietnam into confidence and create SFF2.0 ? There at least need to be some sort of info at your disposal to outmaneuver the adversary beforehand. Every time it is the same story. Because there is an agreement or order that SFF won't operate without special permission. I don't understand who comes with such ridiculous paragraphs, Su-30 can't fire due to RoE, IA can't press trigger due to SOP /Agreement signed by some idiot neta. SFF can't operate. Who is going to build pressure on GOI to ask for it?

Why? Why not establish our own installations. When the enemy does it, publicize it. Do not hide it. Then proceed and build your own.

Indian politicians come with baggage, that's why. They are there only for domestic chichora panti. Outside India they become piddis.
 
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I think you are confusing the two. It is never the responsibility of the Armed forces and neither are we privileged to know about casualties and hostages. It is upto the Govt to direct them to release info. They are war machines and they will do what they are ordered to do. These things are bound to happen but if we think that a few casualties/hostages mean war is "lost" then it just goes on to show that Indians have poor strategic thinking. This is one of the reasons that Chinese and Pakistanis don't release casualty figures. There public is almost same as India in these matters.
Don't release the casualties, just cause them, problem starts when public is instantly told of twice casualties on enemy side and no clarification comes officially, giving credence to those figures and strangely when dust settles we come to know we lost a lot more in process than enemy.

Why will Indian Army or government release day by day commentary on the situation? The Chinese are not confirming their dead, but you want Indian army or government to acknowledge daily events in a war like scenario?

I think PM Modi gave 3 days time to the Chinese to release all the captives or face larger war and the Chinese pussied out as they were prepared for only a small skirmish. Curious, as the captives were released just a day before All Party meet in Parliament....
You got the PoW back after talks, not by force, important thing to keep in mind. When enemy releases your people via talk it's only after you give them something because you have already conveyed that we can't take them back by force hence talks.

What we assured them, we may never know.

How do you explain only 3 impact points shown by Pak when the Mirages fired 6 SOWs at 3 targets and the fact Pakistanis took more than a month to take reporters inside. Just like SS1 the helmet cam footage were released after 2 years the satellite imagery will also be declassified.
Having said that, I understand where you're coming from and I am too pissed off at GOI handling of this current situation but, this aint over yet. Lets wait and see.
No such impact point or anything that will follow up after impact was observed and no confidential satellite image exist that will be declassified. One of the highest possible resolution image was released that time, others will tell you we have some better satellite and it's not public, if you want to believe that it's ok. Pakistanis still think they won most wars against India and world is biased.