Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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I would like to add some points to this already relevant post -
1) Military issues should be seen from an apolitical stand point, even though they work under the elected government, they are an apolitical institution.
2) Political party which is elected serves the nation - being at centre or opposition doesn't allow either party to jeopardise national security.
3) Political inclinations are personal to every individual, but, that should not prevent any one from asking questions, irrespective of who is asking & to whom, this is a democracy.
Been seeing this a lot in the forum for some time, hence decided to point it out.
Communists supported the Muslim League against Congress in 1946 provincial elections.
They openly supported China against India in 1962.
In the 1970s there used to be posters in Bengal saying China's Chairman is our Chairman by the Communists.
There is a word in English for them and that starts with T
We need to guard against making this forum fall to the same vice as the other forum. Modi has been elevated to the status of a demi god who can do no wrong.
Blind worship of Nehru and Indira is one of main reasons we have the congress of today. You want the same with the BJP ?
Finding truth is like digging gold. You have to filter a lot of useless sand to find gold. Same is true about the present. Chinese wanted to humiliate us before they turn their guns towards Taiwan. They had given us a lollypop of GB if we joined CPEC. All thru they have wanted us to join CPEC as it is turning out to be a dead investment for them and only a market like India could give them the returns they wanted. Their aim was to threaten India and seek joining CPEC as concession and also establish themselves as undisputed leader of Asia. They needed the economy of Taiwan to support their south going economy. The aim to take over hongkong and Taiwan are part of that effort to bolster their economy which might soon come under US sanctions.
But they miscalculated grossly and in their inflated ego, they tried to humiliate India and attacked our troops. I do support the statement of @Falcon that the CO had no reason to play Rambo and be there. However, I am a positive thinker and always look to the better side of things. In my childhood, our school Principal had told us to be goond graahak-The seeker of vituosity. Have Hansa pravitri and not kaag pravitri.
Let us assume that instead of the CO, other officer had led this de-escalation checking patrol and they had been killed in the similar manner. What would have happened. The topbrass would have prevailed on the CO not to retaliate and our humiliation would have been complete. Chinese would have achieved what they wanted. But The death of the CO forced remainder of troops including officers to launch a suicidal murdurous assault against far superior strength of enemy and result is for all to see. Chinese have got humiliated and not India.
Now coming to what you mentioned. Did we Indians go into their territory? did we start the build up? did we pitch tents across LAC? Why would an enemy who came prepared to fight us, will keep quiet about the injuries suffered by us when he has in his possession our troops which included four officers? They would have been the best propaganda for them to achieve their aim. But they did no such thing. What prevented them from doing it?
Some can argue that it was done for post war negotiations or to keep a door open for further negotiations. But why would you want to do it if you had achieved what you wanted. Victor takes it all. Victors write the history. What forced China to keep it hidden from the world that it was holding IA officers and men hostage?
Think about it and let me know what answers or question will you have while going thru these points. Also please remember that IA had wargamed umpteen times in Aksai Chin. They know the area better than PLA. Don't you think that a standoff which had been on for over 45 days, IA will not have made its own plans to counter such incidents by PLA.
IA did have such plans in place and they were set in motion on the night of 15-16. Every top brass in Leh knew what will happen if they tried to stop the soldiers of 16th Bihar from retaliating when their CO had been killed. CO has the status of a demigod in Paltan and he is the mybaap of every officer and men. Chinese were shocked to being frozen in action and did not know what has hit them. Winning an ambush is one thing and fighting a pitched battle is entirely different game.
We did not speak about PLA captives as our own were held captive. But why did PLA keep silent? Was it because we also held their soldiers and officers captive? If you find someother answer to my question please enlighten me.
Giving one side of story to bash political leadership is not what any prudent man will ever do. People with political agenda do it. This is a forum where we share what we think and know. It is not a forum to propagate one's political leanings. We have separate threads for that. This thread is about present stand off and only truth as one may know should be posted here without anykind of political leanings. Remember, a very thin line diffentiates armed forces and political leadership. Armed forces of a nation are the extension of political will of a nation. We must not engage in a propaganda which can bring bring bad name to our armed forces who have stood by the constitution of India even at the peril of their lives. This is part of the oath we all took when we became officers.
Communists have spent their entire lives saying US is bad. They wont change now. Ignore them. I say beat the lizard eaters any way possible.
Their culture is different from ours. If they think you are an acceptable target there is nothing stopping them from lying. If you catch them they have zero shame, they will go on as if nothing has happened.
Few years ago I was in Shanghai for work. On a weekend I wandered into Xujiahui Mall (its a big electronics mall). A phone vendor showed me used iPhones (wasnt in the market but just went in to see the much hyped Chinese electronics). I picked the iPhone, compared it with mine. Identical to the tiniest detail. I dug in deeper and deeper till I managed to crash an app with the error message - insert memory card.
I pointed it to the vendor who without blinking offered it for 20% of his initial asking price. No embarrassment, nothing !!
This was only one of my many experiences in China where a Laowai (foreigner) is a legit target for cheating. Unless a Chinese person physically harms a foreigner the police doesnt care. I mentioned it to my counterpart (who was not a Han) he shrugged it off saying -for them you are different so there is no prohibition in cheating you.
Communist parties are a joke when it comes to matters of strategy and national interest. I'm not sure why were they invited to the All party meet, while AAP was not invited.
One reason I reduced posting here ( not that it makes or will make a difference ) because the obvious tilt and tolerance towards you know whom .......
Some posters use none too subtle means to make unwarranted and derogatory references towards Hinduism / Hindutva because for them it is politics . While the mods tolerate it because I guess it is ok to make fun of Hinduism / Hindutava like every woke person or media does .
I understand mods can't be here all the time , but there is also no denying mods look the other way or let it slide because of perception bias or ideological differences , also because many woke such persons are close to them also.
I will show you an example of perception bias , few pages back a person baits others using references to bhakts , now tell me is it not baiting ? But did any mod take any action . On the contrary the mod deleted another guys post which replied to that person's post in the same vein. But let the baiter post remain. The instigator was let off , while the defender was punished because he went hard at the instigator .
Did you guys realise you are encouraging occurance of such degratory behaviour by not also taking action against the instigator ? Somebody punches you and you in defence end up breaking his jaw , should you go to jail or the other guy ? The mods here sent the defender to jail because they decided he punched too hard in his defence .
One must walk the talk and one is not always the best judge of himself or herself.
Many guys here will tell you the same.
Rest I leave it to you guys
No offense to anyone
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Okay. We are going to live in la la land and denial. Xi Jinping will have the last laugh.
PM Modi: No one has entered our border. None of our posts have been occupied.
So much for claiming Aksai Chin!
We are not even asking back the land lost other than Aksai Chin.
Not sure what transpired in the meeting today.
@Falcon still waiting for an insight in to my post on tolerance threshold - if current state of affairs is not provocation, what is?
Somebody should have asked him " then over what we are fighting for , if nobody has entered or no posts have been occupied "
This is not acceptable , I personally don't believe a word
Can anyone show me any satellite pic or any such picture which shows that PLA intruded beyond the LAC as it existed in May 2014 when Modi became PM of India?
F4 and F8 notwithstanding. Modi is anow asking for whole of Aksai Chin.
The martyrdom of Col. Santosh is as big a turning point in the history of India as hanging of Shaheed-e-azam Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sahdev was. Do you guys know why we celebrate our Republic day as 26th Jan and not 26th Nov when our constitution was adopted? In 1930, on 26th Jan, Nehru astride a white horse had asked for Poorn Swarajya for the first time. What was Congress asking for in cohorts with the British stooge Gandhi till then? Why in 1930 and not before? The hanging of Shaheed Bhagat Singh had galvanised Indian youth to go against Congress and their agenda of Ahimsa Parmo Dharma. British retaliated with separate electorate for Hindus, dalits and Muslims. Gandhi went to five star in Pune Yarvada jail to keep Dalits with Hindus and that famous pact between Bharat Ratna Ambedkar and Gandhi was signed. The outline of creation of Pakistan was first written by a lawyer Zafferullah Khan in 1932 just after that Pune Pact, an Ahmadiya lawyer and that had tacit approval of Gandhi and Nehru.
Similar turning point was when british stooge Gabdhi asked Patel to pull out of the election for PM of India. The defining moment for India which can make it the leader of the world is now. If Modi lets go of it, we will miss as big an opportunity as we had when we were offered the position in UNSC in 1950s.
Isn't that the same reason people get kicked of out of you know where....
Cannot question the fuhrer or his 54" chest. Cannot offend his devotes aka bhakts.
Is there any platform without a tilt ?
You are here making smugly posts and showing displease without adding anything else. Doesn't it show a better toleration ?
That's kind of true, but mods also let it slide derogatory consistent remarks on other religion, no? An year or two ago nobody used or even hinted at a particular religion in such disgusting way but now as if its normal talk. I bet you dont see that but feel a victim of a biased conspiring world.
A lot of vocab that was very offensive few years back has become mainstream, so please grow a thick skin.
And that Bhakt remark from many people was not related to Hinduism in any way and you do know that very well but still feel victim and persecuted, what could be the solution to that?
I, we can encourage people to stop using those words but sometimes I too am guilty, so who will pay heed to it? Take it easy.