Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Now that the captives have been exchanged, PLA and China will find voice. Let us wait and see what happens after 21st?
do you know what happens if you occupy such isolated points on hill tops? And do IA have someother route to these places or can IA leave them sitting there and yet go behind them to F8?
Don't think Amit shah was thinking strategically that ahead when he said AksaiChin was also our territory. He was merely giving a knee jerk reply to the question posed by Adhiranjan chaudhary in LS. He never anticipated China would react so brazenly to that statement . India needs to consider some serious action against the CPEC, including consider extending our current firefight across the LoC to extend to the CPEC.
For last many years, we used to patrols through the river side and Chinese block us when we reach finger 5. However, this year, we went upwards through the mountain and reached untill finger 8. Some say that this is what provoked the chinese oficer in charge to start this buildup now. However, that will be tough to use the uphill now since PLA also dug post in the hill sides to block that path.
These are the last ppl on earth u shud believe, they are more interested in taking benefit out of conflict. If china gives a trade concession they will throw us under the bus.
these are all minor things, I dont think it hardly matters. Its the larger geopolitical strategic interests of china that is in play. They have done the same in the past and will continue to do so. Indians have to start thinking with whole picture in mind instead of bits & pieces. If the incident was localized then why would they come so prepared along the entire LOC.
We have been pretty stupid to begin with. Aksai chin highwary is a strategic target which would give more leverage against china and also threaten CPEC as well. Instead we were more focused on POK. chinese are trying to create more buffer space between boundary & highway. It is similar our chicken neck area in north east.
Ab sab rona bandh karo , maine bhi bandh kar diya
From the first day I was telling we won't go the war
We are not prepared in terms of materials , weapons
We have a nation wide pandemic currently to tackle with first
We have suddenly on our hands a complicated geopolitical back stabbing ie nepal
Cannot go of a war unless we are preparing for any eventuality like porkistan opening up a second front , war stretching with China from north to east beyond tenable time frame. Otherwise we loose more than we bargained for.
Playing into Chinese hands , by giving them full scale war which they obviously have prepared for and looking forward to shift the anti china narrative both domestically and internationally .
One goes to a war at the place and time of his choosing , not because the enemy provokes you to . That would be walking into their trap , since they are prepared.
What is important here is has the political and importantly bureaucrats learnt their lessons for the last time and made up their minds for the last time to deal with the Chinese once and for all at the place and time of our choosing with adequate preparations to cater to the endgame.
There are some things which cannot be discussed in public
And also it is best to keep the pressure on the government so that they don't forget nor forgive and in the near future we do a reverse china .
If not the government will not come to power again
Also don't fall for congi sickulars leftists , they are not the alternative , we as a nation will loose more than gain. So keep the pressure on the current government because as of now they are the only viable option .
Chanakya in Arthashastra explicitly stated if one is not in a position favourable to win a war with complete superiority , it is best to bid ones time and prepare rather than go into a war unprepared and suffer a setback which weakens one beyond recovery .
Also I have on good authority that something like blacklivesmatter is being conspired against India on caste lines . Preliminary grounds are being laid via whatsapp and other social media . Same group of around 200 American Indians of so called lower caste sitting in plum jobs in America who executed caste based riots few years back in india is reportedly active again.
Another hint : coupta in shitty print carried an article equating race = caste , so first shot has been fired.
All fight against it irrespective of caste etc , only a fool burns his own house ( country ) down .
We as a country have too many problems , all at the same time unfortunately
I leave it to you all to decide and make your choice
From the first day I was telling we won't go the war
We are not prepared in terms of materials , weapons
We have a nation wide pandemic currently to tackle with first
We have suddenly on our hands a complicated geopolitical back stabbing ie nepal
Cannot go of a war unless we are preparing for any eventuality like porkistan opening up a second front , war stretching with China from north to east beyond tenable time frame. Otherwise we loose more than we bargained for.
Playing into Chinese hands , by giving them full scale war which they obviously have prepared for and looking forward to shift the anti china narrative both domestically and internationally .
One goes to a war at the place and time of his choosing , not because the enemy provokes you to . That would be walking into their trap , since they are prepared.
What is important here is has the political and importantly bureaucrats learnt their lessons for the last time and made up their minds for the last time to deal with the Chinese once and for all at the place and time of our choosing with adequate preparations to cater to the endgame.
There are some things which cannot be discussed in public
And also it is best to keep the pressure on the government so that they don't forget nor forgive and in the near future we do a reverse china .
If not the government will not come to power again
Also don't fall for congi sickulars leftists , they are not the alternative , we as a nation will loose more than gain. So keep the pressure on the current government because as of now they are the only viable option .
Chanakya in Arthashastra explicitly stated if one is not in a position favourable to win a war with complete superiority , it is best to bid ones time and prepare rather than go into a war unprepared and suffer a setback which weakens one beyond recovery .
Also I have on good authority that something like blacklivesmatter is being conspired against India on caste lines . Preliminary grounds are being laid via whatsapp and other social media . Same group of around 200 American Indians of so called lower caste sitting in plum jobs in America who executed caste based riots few years back in india is reportedly active again.
Another hint : coupta in shitty print carried an article equating race = caste , so first shot has been fired.
All fight against it irrespective of caste etc , only a fool burns his own house ( country ) down .
We as a country have too many problems , all at the same time unfortunately
I leave it to you all to decide and make your choice
To put into context something I wrote earlier ...........
Understand it in the context of what I wrote in my previous post . Don't look at it standalone.
I don't really what to discuss such things but let me make a exception
Reasons why India must not be drawn to a large scale war without adequate preparations.
Localised action in a tic for tat situation is ok and I fully support it provided we yield the power to contain it in the first place.
But for a full scale war we have to
1. Not limit ourselves to reclaiming lost territories in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh only
2. Retake Tibet completely
Why ?
Because if we reclaim Ladakh and AP only , in the future we will still be exposed to Chinese counter attacks at the time and place of their choice . The Chinese will definitely attempt revenge. Our economy will get tied down trying to defend everytime . Negative psychology effect will mount on our population over a period of time .
However if we retake Tibet then we will deny the Chinese the geographical proximity to undertake counter attacks in future as part of any possible retaliation.
Tibet will then become the buffer zone , with combined Indian and Tibetan forces who will hold the Chinese at risk in Chinese mainland itself . Their economy will at direct risk plus the psychological pressure will be immense on their leaders and population.
This way our population centers will not be at risk by Chinese artillery etc , currently our population close to border is at risk while Chinese population centers are not at risk.
If we retake Tibet then the situation becomes opposite , the Chinese population comes under threat from Indian forces . While our own population becomes safe.
Any plan to attack China must incorporate liberation of Tibet , otherwise India will be always vulnerable to Chinese counter actions .
And importantly we must do it in a single war only , cannot risk multiple wars with China because otherwise we will get bogged down progressively with each counter move by china .
So best we prepare and arm ourselves for a full scale war to retake Tibet completely and deny the Chinese geographical proximity so that they cannot threaten India ever again.
If any body has read Chanakya's mandala theory , he or she will agree with me , heck even chanakya would agree with me .
Irony is Indian planners don't follow Arthashastra , if they had we would never been in such situations. Solution to almost every problem has been described by chanakya , only need is to conform them to prevailing situations and importantly develop the will power to implement them .
Again long story short
India must plan to recapture lost territories and Tibet and it must do so in a single war effort .
Understand it in the context of what I wrote in my previous post . Don't look at it standalone.
I don't really what to discuss such things but let me make a exception
Reasons why India must not be drawn to a large scale war without adequate preparations.
Localised action in a tic for tat situation is ok and I fully support it provided we yield the power to contain it in the first place.
But for a full scale war we have to
1. Not limit ourselves to reclaiming lost territories in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh only
2. Retake Tibet completely
Why ?
Because if we reclaim Ladakh and AP only , in the future we will still be exposed to Chinese counter attacks at the time and place of their choice . The Chinese will definitely attempt revenge. Our economy will get tied down trying to defend everytime . Negative psychology effect will mount on our population over a period of time .
However if we retake Tibet then we will deny the Chinese the geographical proximity to undertake counter attacks in future as part of any possible retaliation.
Tibet will then become the buffer zone , with combined Indian and Tibetan forces who will hold the Chinese at risk in Chinese mainland itself . Their economy will at direct risk plus the psychological pressure will be immense on their leaders and population.
This way our population centers will not be at risk by Chinese artillery etc , currently our population close to border is at risk while Chinese population centers are not at risk.
If we retake Tibet then the situation becomes opposite , the Chinese population comes under threat from Indian forces . While our own population becomes safe.
Any plan to attack China must incorporate liberation of Tibet , otherwise India will be always vulnerable to Chinese counter actions .
And importantly we must do it in a single war only , cannot risk multiple wars with China because otherwise we will get bogged down progressively with each counter move by china .
So best we prepare and arm ourselves for a full scale war to retake Tibet completely and deny the Chinese geographical proximity so that they cannot threaten India ever again.
If any body has read Chanakya's mandala theory , he or she will agree with me , heck even chanakya would agree with me .
Irony is Indian planners don't follow Arthashastra , if they had we would never been in such situations. Solution to almost every problem has been described by chanakya , only need is to conform them to prevailing situations and importantly develop the will power to implement them .
Again long story short
India must plan to recapture lost territories and Tibet and it must do so in a single war effort .
We couldn’t defend one finger that had our presence already and here you are talking about liberating tibet. Uff
LAC to control nahi ho raha lekin pura Tibet liberarte jarur karenge.
We must keep patience and continuously increase our capabilities
War will happen but at a time of our choosing
The best part of this situation is.that
We get A Firm understanding of the things that we need to.do.From HERE to attain our objectives
War will happen but at a time of our choosing
The best part of this situation is.that
We get A Firm understanding of the things that we need to.do.From HERE to attain our objectives
I think falcon's posts have made the situation and our handling of it pretty clear so I agree with saho