Such a statement brings the guard down of enemy while we are making concrete plans for victory. Today he is inaugurating schemes for migrant labor in UP and celebrating Yoga day. Hope this is what you were looking for.
Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Sir, this is political map of India. Quoting offical Survey of India .gov.in site.
PM says nobody has entered and nobody is staying in Indian borders. The borders are clearly defined in that map. Can you please point where the conflict happened?
Or the Survey of India is yet to update the ammended map approved seceretly by Parliament defining new boundaries?
Funny you should say that. Because Pakistan still denies it to this day and the govt didn't release any footage they claimed to have taken of the said strike. And it did not have any far reaching consequences with respect to the situation in the valley.
Also surgical strikes cannot deal with 2000+ entrenched well trained men with strong logistics support.
yup absolutely careless, reports were coming and we kept watching it. We expected them to walk away. Then after some time we discovered they dint move. There is no point in blaming or raging against them. They did what enemy was supposed to do.
Heads have to roll but I bet nothing will happen. We will simply sweep it under carpet. After doklam a parliamentary investigation committee warned against trusting or believing china on border. Probably for every chinese incursion we need to shout chinese are contesting against them in polls for the smart alecs to take action.
"response to the strong demand of the Chinese"
wow look at the language, their brazen language says lot more how our political class capitulated.
Okay so here members are lambasting Modi because he said "nobody entered our area", as according to them our claim line is the political map of India which is true in a long term perspective. Just so you all know china's claim line is actually 20 km inside the LAC but are they talking about that in this context? NO. It's a common sense he is talking about the area we hold and not claim. If Modi were to say China is within our territory these would be the first to take Modi to cleaners. A serious question will Modi harping on the political claim line change anything other than complicating the matters?
I mean are you here to discuss defence and strategic affairs or give vent to your political biases/frustrations. Somebody yesterday even called it HIGH TREASON. Good that patriots like you are nowhere near to the power structure because even Congress is better and mature. Heck, I would even bet on Owaisi over "patriots" he is smart enough to get things done.
Also, What's this fashion with believing Pakistani Ghafoora but not the Indian Govt/Army? The fact is Indian government and army si way more transparent than the Chinese. SCMP reported Chinese will only release casualty figure after Xi Jinping ratifies them like Mamata does for her Covid figures but yeah Modi is lying. The IA could have easily attributed these deaths to LoC spread over a month and there would be 0 outrage. They are being as transparent possible but here you are becoming Ghafoora fanboys. At this rate, I won't be surprised with the Indian Army going the Ghafoora way in a few years time.
I mean are you here to discuss defence and strategic affairs or give vent to your political biases/frustrations. Somebody yesterday even called it HIGH TREASON. Good that patriots like you are nowhere near to the power structure because even Congress is better and mature. Heck, I would even bet on Owaisi over "patriots" he is smart enough to get things done.
Also, What's this fashion with believing Pakistani Ghafoora but not the Indian Govt/Army? The fact is Indian government and army si way more transparent than the Chinese. SCMP reported Chinese will only release casualty figure after Xi Jinping ratifies them like Mamata does for her Covid figures but yeah Modi is lying. The IA could have easily attributed these deaths to LoC spread over a month and there would be 0 outrage. They are being as transparent possible but here you are becoming Ghafoora fanboys. At this rate, I won't be surprised with the Indian Army going the Ghafoora way in a few years time.
I will believe you when some thing happens. To think enemy will believe such things is just our assumption. chinese are masters of deceit what makes you think they will fall for it? I bet they wont lower their guard for next 2-3 months.
China since the last decade
China for the last decade no matter what uses strong language whereas India uses very vague benign language even while dealing with Nepal, I now understand the need for a Ghafoora for fanboys seriously. We seriously need a psyops dept coming up soon. It's definitely effective if a strong diplomatic language can have this kind of effect!
There is 7years jail term for wrong map of India. Here he is explicitly mentioning border of India in Eastern Laddakh, he is not talking about claim line, not LAC, nothing.
He could have said nobody is there now and things are back to pre conflict levels but he didn't. Indian PM words are chosen after lot of deliberation about even comma and full stop and more so in times of conflict.
He didn't stop at nobody has entered, he took it further which makes it more harder for spin masters by claiming nobody is staying in our borders.
Now as you took upon yourself to explain what Modi meant as he could not tell himself, can you please point me on map where conflict happened? I am still waiting for @randomradio response.
Please point where conflict happened and where are Indian borders. It has become fashionable here to put wrong claim about maps to save political party and leaders.
I have made my point, won't like to argue much on semantics to be very frank. I am more interested in the govts ability to end this standoff/ conflict on favourable terms. If for military compulsions we cannot do it now, I want it to be done by 2023 or alternatively by changing the status quo favourably in some other strategic points/areas.
How serious is the situation on the China border? So much that the officers being commissioned into the Indian Air Force today have not been given the customary 21 days leave but have been told to join frontline units immediately.
1) Modi said Chinese are not in our territory (which means where ever Chinese stand today is their land)
2) China say we went to their territory and attacked them,where ever Chinese stand is china.
So, if both Modi and China agrees that where ever Chinese military stand today is China, why should China withdraw?
Modi only care about his political image and in order to protect it, he abandoned Indian position that Chinese entered our territory and they must withdraw to "They are not in our land"
Prime Minister’s Last night’s statement is seen as a defeat by many people, Many are angry that how can we say chinese haven’t intruded in our territory. I will put some points what PM actually wanted to say!
1- he accepts that PLA is in their territory so our official position is we accept their claim line even in Pangong tso.
2- he was strictly referring to Galwan valley as the all party meet was only to discuss the events of 15-16 June.
3- we want to attack at the time and place of our choice and by making this statement he wants that chinese lower their guard and then we can attack them.
It is essential to Note that not only PM but Chief of army staff through official indian army’s twitter account said “Their sacrifices will not go in vain” And Even today in PoP, chief of Air staff made similar statement.
In conclusion, next 1-3 weeks will determine what he was trying to say!
1- he accepts that PLA is in their territory so our official position is we accept their claim line even in Pangong tso.
2- he was strictly referring to Galwan valley as the all party meet was only to discuss the events of 15-16 June.
3- we want to attack at the time and place of our choice and by making this statement he wants that chinese lower their guard and then we can attack them.
It is essential to Note that not only PM but Chief of army staff through official indian army’s twitter account said “Their sacrifices will not go in vain” And Even today in PoP, chief of Air staff made similar statement.
In conclusion, next 1-3 weeks will determine what he was trying to say!
I think this is quite a plausible explanation to how our guys got captured.
Seems like most people has not yet understood extent of damage of this statement. Few points-
Constitution of India starts with defining territories of India and delegating those powers to Parliament.
There are only 4 points in PM Oath, and one of them is keeping territorial interiority of India defined by Constitution.
Any illegal secession is high treason.
What Mr. Modi did here is he chose words that absolved him of any responsibility or associated weakness. Instead of telling truth to the nation he preferred telling them that 20 died invading China almost saying that it was mutiny and not approved by him.
He could have very well told country that China is at our borders, that they are occupying our land from past 60years but then people would have asked what are you doing from 6years. So to avoid political fallout he found it better to lie and in process validate Chinese claims.
This will further complicate border talks as Indian PM has accepted Chinese sovereignty on areas inside Indian border and good luck after this if you can make them accept this to be yours
You see Indian PM has not hesitated to accuse those died of invasion, giving away Indian territory all to keep his image intact. I have never excepted such statement from even Mayawati or Mulayam or Pawar, even when they are corrupt to core. I am shocked PM did this and the repercussions of it.
bihar elections in october , dont think any risk will be taken that might damage election prospects.
Is territory defined by a map or defined on the ground?
In that case I am very happy that India has got those adversaries who exactly pull legs of Indian politicians just before the elections. They know very well now what is the weakness of Indian leaders and everytime they will use it. This is how you fix and topple government in a democratic country where there is more anarchy than law and order. And Opposition will use the opportunity hand in hand with the adversary.
This is a perfect design.
Bohot Ache!
You combine ignorance of ground realities with unrealistic expectations, then you get people who have hissy fits. Easy targets of Ghafoora, even Xin-Ghafoora. (Xin = New in Chinese)
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Such people are actually irrelevant. Most people believe what the military says.
If a credible institution creates Ghafoora like personalities, then the credibility of that institution will suffer in the long run. An established democracy like ours cannot afford to lose credibility by trying to cater to those reacting hysterically to everything that takes them out of their comfort zone.