Ofcourse PM Modi is not repeating the Chinese narrative, however our PM appears to be hiding behind semantics and instead should have stated in clear terms that China has intruded into Indian claim line of LAC and our forces suffered casualties in an attempt to force them out and India will not accept any change to existing status quo and will continue to patrol our area of perception of LAC......PM Modi should send a clear message.
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Ofcourse PM Modi is not repeating the Chinese narrative, however our PM appears to be hiding behind semantics and instead should have stated in clear terms that China has intruded into Indian claim line of LAC and our forces suffered casualties in an attempt to force them out and India will not accept any change to existing status quo and will continue to patrol our area of perception of LAC......PM Modi should send a clear message.
If he made that statement, the next moment would see opposition parties particularly the Congress whip up war hysteria demanding India retake those areas under Chinese occupation. Modi's in a classic Catch 22 situation. He's damned if he does & damned if he doesn't.
The Chinese MoFA statement last night certainly doesn't help him or our cause. In fact it significantly worsens both his & our position on the LAC. And we're not out of this yet. Expect the situation to worsen for if the Chinese are smelling blood, which I, personally , think they are, they will press their claims further.
Of course the opposition will make attempt to raise the political temperature and call for a conflict, which is where the govt should show wisdom and resist such political pressure. Even in 1962 it was generally believed Nehru's action against China was in part triggered by the pressure mounted by the Opposition leaders for retaliation. However conceding to Chinese claims on the border will make India's international position precarious and untenable. Govt should resist the knee jerk demand for border conflict, while publicly maintaining our official claims on Galwan and Pangongso area.
So, you mean the GoI accept that China has grabbed our lands yet you expect the GoI do nothing about it on the ground.Like the Philippines or Vietnam. Do you actually think this is feasible - politically or diplomatically, that too for a person of Modi's credentials ? I reckon you haven't quite figured out the Indian political landscape then.
To this agree.
Personally, I feel he would have been in a better position had he decided to take China head on.
Ignoring everything else, the general public of India would have been right behind him.
Now thanks to his dismissive statement, he has landed himself in the midst of a shit storm where both the people of country and other parties are questioning him and his intentions. China took full advantage of the statement in terms of their response from their MoFA. This does not end until we give China a bloody nose in full public view where they can be publicly humiliated.
I consider Modi's statement yesterday to be political suicide.
US Secretary of state is showing more aggression against China on the border stand off than India.
www.thehindu.com
Pompeo tears into ‘rogue actor’ China for ‘escalating’ border tension with India
The U.S. Secretary of State said the Chinese Communist Party is not only forcing Europe to choose between China and America but also wants them to adopt a new set of rules to accommodate Beijing.
Of course Modi would have placed himself in a political land mine , but as a citizen of India I'm more concerned about establsihing the legitimacy of Indian's territorial integrity, which is seemingly has been compromised by PM's lackluster and ambiguous statement, than Modi's political standing. PM Vajpayee took a tough stand of the Kargil encroachment, even though it brought diplomatic and political ridicule to his Pakistan policy, esp given his high profile visit to Lahore.
You're giving a diagnosis & partial treatment of the problem. I'm enquiring about the full treatment. What happens after he were to concede that China has indeed grabbed our land? Would he or wouldn't he be expected to get it back?
I recall a statement made by General Malik during Kargil
He said that even if you deploy the whole Indian Army on LOC , you cannot
Hold every Inch of the territory
That is the tyrrany of the Terrain
If the Chinese dont start firing on our troops , posts and Roads , then they are welcome to Sit where they are
It is a stalemate right now
He wont be any worse situation that he already is. Having conceded the intrusion, he can rightly say that he will give diplomacy the fullest oppurtunity to restore status quo ante and then consider other measure if talks fail. The country would have bought it. How will he now negotiate with China, once the threat of conflcit has been taken out of the equation. Any intelligent observer, even die hard Pro Modi people, can see that he used semantics to avoid a conflict. There was other options to avoid conflict without obfuscating India traditional claim on the LAC. Anyway lets wait and see what is Modi's actual game plan. I still believe him to be a patriot and will not take this lying down.
PMO Clarification: The focus of the PM’s remarks in the APM discussions were the events of 15 June at Galwan.
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So it does not apply to Pangong.
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So it does not apply to Pangong.
The question of diplomacy taking over after Modi conceding that China has grabbed territory would have been tenable had those 20 soldiers of ours not been KIA.
After the incident of 15th June, such a statement would be viewed as purely defeatist & he would rightly be pilloried if not accused of downright cowardice. How exactly does one negotiate with an enemy sitting on your territory having killed your soldiers!
Au contraire, his statement last night can always be couched as an exercise in semantics / deception too at a later date should we exercise the option of throwing the Chinese out, which in the event we pull off, his earlier statement wouldn't even attract any attention to begin with.
What you're suggesting is political suicide .
The whole question now revolves around whom PM Modi wished to deceive. If this is a ruse, as some would like to believe, to luring Chinese to lower their guard and then sneak in an attack against them, then PM will win laurels. if this was to deceive the opposition and the nation to avoid a conflict, Modi has indeed committed political suicide anyway.
China’s global Navy eyeing sea control by 2030, superiority by 2049 - The Sunday Guardian Live
I assess that the PLA Navy by 2030 will consist of a surface force of over 450 ships and a submarine force approaching 110 submarines, an almost 10%www.sundayguardianlive.com
Now Please convince me that we still
Do not need an alliance with US
Which I have been advocating for many days now
@randomradio. How do you read this above news article
India's strategic alliance with US led west is now inevitable. However the question is whether west will take us as a serious partners in their anti-china alliance.
You are wrong , people in India are
Not so.stupid that they would demand
War for some Jagged peaks near Galwan river and Pangong Tso lake
They also understand the threat of a two front war
War will happen if Chinese trroops try to move further inside or if they start shelling our positions
With the clarification issued today by the PMO it's become clear that last night's statement was restricted to the Galwan river Valley & the incidents that occured there on 15th June.
Of course this is a matter of semantics. But with this clarification, I think one can safely rule out political suicide that you claim.
Regarding whether Modi has the will to throw out the Chinese, my view is as much as he desires the status quo ante prevail whether that of March 2020 before the incidents began or that of 15th June 2020 where the Chinese have definitely occupied some territory whether it be a grey zone or not in the Fingers & Pangong Tso river area, I'm afraid he doesn't have any options.
The Chinese are relentless. I don't even think they're going to be satisfied with what they occupied in 1962 & withdrew from to their present lines as of today. They've made it clear as of 2009 that they don't consider China sharing a boundary with India in Ladakh. This obviously means that they're claiming Ladakh in it's entirety which includes DBO, the Karakorum pass, Siachen linking up with GB in Pakistan. The latter is expected to widen it's occupation to the Kashmir valley. This seems to be the gambit.
The way I see it, a war is on the cards.Whether it happens now or in a couple of years, I'm not sure but it's bound to happen. The way things are unfolding particularly after the pandemic has overtaken the world, the Chinese are maximising their gains & are being even more brazen about it. If their plans of taking over Ladakh in the pre Wuhan virus era was post 2025 onwards, they've brought it forward by 5 years . Even if we manage to wriggle out of this one with compromises & a hugely bruised ego, this is just the lull before the storm which I expect to break over the LAC before 2023-24. And this is only the LAC we're talking about. The LoC is going to heat up pretty soon. We just can't afford the luxury of viewing these 2 fronts in isolation anymore.
We can spin fairy tales, like Nehru did, to avoid going into war and but history bears out that you will not be able to avoid it. To quote Churchill on his criticism of Chamberlain's policy of appeasement “The government had to choose between war and shame. They chose shame. They will get war too.”
