Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates


Here Gaurav Sawant says our 16 Bihar regiment was supported by medium artillery regiment.
So we used artillery that day.

Now the Chinese death counts make sense.
 
Are we a step late. ?

When we using stoned and sticks, did Chinese use iron rods..?

When we were using rods, they moved on to spiked rods?

This is how I felt when news broke out.

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I don't feel it's over yet.


We are waiting for the requisite time to act.

With Taiwan, Hongkong, scs.. Indo Pacific..

Economic Sanctions for corona..

Many things are rolling around..

And our own Corona Is yet to reach the peak...

I think we ll have to wait 3 - 6 months.

Modi wouldn't want to lose on the military affairs.

It seems IA still didnt learn much from their experience in 62 .
Even heard our Govt asked them why we were late ?
 
This is what I observed since long that Modi was avoiding siding with the west to gang against china in the larger benefit of Indians to deliver economic prosperity.

First with the Covid import from China, Modi ignited the Aatma-nirbhar Bharat to kick on the backside of china economically and again with the motive of delivering economic prosperity to Indians.

But now with the Galwan incident, I could read Modi that he has now made up his mind to align with the west and Quad to give a deafening blow and collectively crush china. They all will now work on the biggest game plan ever - destroy and break china. It will come down on its knees with the liberation of Tibet, Uighur, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria. My gut feeling says so.
 
A low intensity conflict is inevitable, it will drag on for a year or three. chinese have a long term goal and they will be persistently follow on encroaching our territory and prevent any infra buildup.

Instead to getting too much involved , PMO should leave the conflict handling to the military and only intervene if it goes beyond a threshold. This will send across the message that neither India will be bullied nor the administration is unduly worried about chinese strength. If we observe the chinese behavior they are more focused on their demands but not much on keeping peace.

Obviously cost of conflict continuation will increase by say 2-5 billion but thats a lesser cost if it is amortized over next 5 years. Geo political cost of china-pakistan linking up and squeezing us out of siachen is even higher. Mean while we should focus on economy as if nothing is happening and continue to build on it. We should not let this become a distraction from improving our economy.
 
Let me try and put things out as much clearly as I possibly can, with usual constraints.

1. CO and party took a bad hit.
2. Babuas exacted a toll & then some.
3. Both sides got few prisoners in hands. Exchange took place. Rumors remain of Indians being publicly humiliated when Maj Gen meet took place. I am not too bothered by that. Shit happens. We are also not very clean.
4. Chinese occupied peaks. We returned favour.
5. Certain areas were 'lost' as ITBP was primarily responsible for the lake area. We are all aware of the situation there. Maybe the HM should answer that.
6. No Patrols went to Finger 8. Sirijap has a relatively large Chinese base. You think Chinese would allow your troops to traverse through there?

Neither India nor China will release the real picture for now .China is even hiding everything regarding this one.
A low intensity conflict is inevitable, it will drag on for a year or three. chinese have a long term goal and they will be persistently follow on encroaching our territory and prevent any infra buildup.

Instead to getting too much involved , PMO should leave the conflict handling to the military and only intervene if it goes beyond a threshold. This will send across the message that neither India will be bullied nor the administration is unduly worried about chinese strength. If we observe the chinese behavior they are more focused on their demands but not much on keeping peace.

Obviously cost of conflict continuation will increase by say 2-5 billion but thats a lesser cost if it is amortized over next 5 years. Geo political cost of china-pakistan linking up and squeezing us out of siachen is even higher. Mean while we should focus on economy as if nothing is happening and continue to build on it. We should not let this become a distraction from improving our economy.

Infact what is exactly that they did .
Now give full freedom to the military to decide the procedures in border.
 
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NEW DELHI: India is among six nations that may see a large cyber attack on June 21 in the form of Covid-19 themed phishing campaign from North Korean state hackers.

The attack are part of the Lazarus Group's large-scale campaign targeting more than 50 lakh individuals and businesses, including small and large enterprises, across six countries: India, Singapore, South Korea, Japan the UK and the US, according to a ZDNet report on Friday.

"The North Korean hacker group is looking to gain financially from the campaign, where targeted email recipients will be asked to visit fraudulent websites and lured into revealing their personal and financial data," according to Singapore-headquartered cybersecurity vendor Cyfirma.

Lazarus' hackers claimed to have details of 11 lakh individual email IDs in Japan, another 20 lakh in India, and 180,000 business contacts in the UK.

The attack would include 8,000 organisations in Singapore where the business contacts highlighted in an email template were addressed to members of the Singapore Business Federation (SBF), said the report.

Introduced in 2001 by the Ministry of Trade and Industry, SBF is responsible for promoting Singapore businesses and currently represents 27,200 companies.

"The targeted Singapore businesses would reportedly receive phishing email messages -- written in Chinese -- from a spoofed Ministry of Manpower account, supposedly offering additional payouts for employees under the government's Covid-19 support packages".

According to Cyfirma's Founder and CEO Kumar Ritesh, they have notified government CERTs (Computer Emergency Response Team) in Singapore, Japan, South Korea, India, and the US, as well as the UK National Cyber Security Center.

All six agencies had acknowledged the alert and currently were investigating.

"In the past six months, we have also monitored hacker activities related to the COVID-19 pandemic, especially with regards to hoax, phishing, and scam campaigns," Ritesh was quoted as saying.

Lazarus group is controlled by the Reconnaissance General Bureau, North Korea's primary intelligence bureau.

The Lazarus Group's activities were widely reported after it was blamed for the 2014 cyber attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment and the 2017 WannaCry ransomware attack on countries including the US and Britain.

In September last year, a malware created to infiltrate Indian ATMs and steal customers card data was traced by Kaspersky security researchers to the Lazarus group.
 
In thin air, with heat sensors. It ll make for a great sales pitch for future customers.

But do we have sufficient numbers?

We have 512 and can only be dropped by the Jaguar.

But in order to use it this way, we don't have enough.
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We have 512 and can only be dropped by the Jaguar.

But in order to use it this way, we don't have enough.
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The last news was the manufacturer has started build for India order. The order was approved for a max for 512 units. No news item exists on how many were purchased. Was there a follow up order?

IAF tested these on a target in Pokhran in 19 - it came out well.
 
War is certain. We only need to see what AIM is given to Indian Armed forces. That will decide the intensity and length of the war.

I agree with that, but what I am more interested in is when. Is it right away, within the next few months, or will it happen after at least the first phase infantry modernisation is complete?

ASAIK, The battle will be fought to the east of Karakoram range. Chinese have no chance in the valleys. Ladakh is more of a sand desert. Unlike a true desert where you have blowing sand, here you have sand which is little bit compacted with embedded boulders. Its like quick sand at places. You can flatten out a peak in no time. The terrain along LOC is fully compacted soil with trees which hold the soil together. Ladakh upper reaches are more like permafrost and just the pressure of human beings can force it to collapse as the ice bellow the surface melts due to the pressure and suddenlly you will find the whole mountain/peak collapsing. This explains why the mountain top where chinese were in large numbers suddenly gave way. Many stated that Biharis probably used IED to blow up the hilltop.

That's a lot of important information. Thanks.
 
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The last news was the manufacturer has started build for India order. The order was approved for a max for 512 units. No news item exists on how many were purchased. Was there a follow up order?

IAF tested these on a target in Pokhran in 19 - it came out well.

Nothing more than that on DSCA. DSCA says it's 510.
 
I agree with that, but what I am more interested in is when. Is it right away, within the next few months, or will it happen after at least the first phase infantry modernisation is complete?



That's a lot of important information. Thanks.

Pacific Deterrence Initiative -- this is what is Bothering the Chinese
 
Pacific Deterrence Initiative -- this is what is Bothering the Chinese
Irony, china intimidated India to stop us aligning with US but their actions are having opposite effect.
That dog looks bit smart and more introspective than her. :p
 
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