Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

But pragmatically, can India fight a war with China?

Militarily we can take them on …. and if we are willing to pay the price, take the war into Tibet. The price will be huge, too huge. Is it worth fighting now? Or is it worth making a USSR redux for them?

What's the price? WW2 type casualties? Or Syria civil war type?
 
Pls post regarding casualties in both sides..

No one can give you an exact count of Chinese casualties.
And it does not matter.

Battle of Kursk saw greater losses to Soviets as opposed to the German losses.
What's the price? WW2 type casualties? Or Syria civil war type?

WW2 and more.

Anyone who thinks that PLA is a walkover, needs to spend time along LAC. And then revert.
 
Let me try and put things out as much clearly as I possibly can, with usual constraints.

1. CO and party took a bad hit.
2. Babuas exacted a toll & then some.
3. Both sides got few prisoners in hands. Exchange took place. Rumors remain of Indians being publicly humiliated when Maj Gen meet took place. I am not too bothered by that. Shit happens. We are also not very clean.
4. Chinese occupied peaks. We returned favour.
5. Certain areas were 'lost' as ITBP was primarily responsible for the lake area. We are all aware of the situation there. Maybe the HM should answer that.
6. No Patrols went to Finger 8. Sirijap has a relatively large Chinese base. You think Chinese would allow your troops to traverse through there?
Where do we go from here in your opinion? For even if we accept what the Chinese have grabbed, they'd be insistent on more. They'd like to press home the advantage.

Further , I don't think this has ended. Nor do I get the vibe that this is going to end with negotiations where they get to keep what they now have ( our contention of restoration of status quo ante be damned)

Moreover for them to return in a few years will in itself take some doing as we'd be on alert. Not that it prevents them from attempting it again as it's part of their playbook. But it certainly makes their effort more difficult.

Isn't war inevitable, if not now then in a few years?
 
Are you implying we won't escalate?
I don't think we will we already lost the initiative when the 16th Bihar retaliated which was good. But the escalation ladder is in complete control of the Chinese. Even the tone of the government is deescalatory. And what do we expect by escalating we don't have any objectives apart from maintaining control of our frontier area.
The only good action would be to rapidly mobilize and take control of grey zone areas so the finger drama doesn't repeat. That should be the best path towards escalating without breaking any rules...
 
I don't think we will we already lost the initiative when the 16th Bihar retaliated which was good. But the escalation ladder is in complete control of the Chinese. Even the tone of the government is deescalatory. And what do we expect by escalating we don't have any objectives apart from maintaining control of our frontier area.
The only good action would be to rapidly mobilize and take control of grey zone areas so the finger drama doesn't repeat. That should be the best path towards escalating without breaking any rules...

What we know for sure is the change in RoE for small arms. So we are bound to see casualties in the near future. Everything else is subjective. They actually tried to build across the LAC in Galwan. This baited our CO into coming out and the rest is history. So they can attempt this again elsewhere, except that this time we will be carrying weapons, and I'm sure overwatch will also be used.

China will definitely pay economic costs. And this could also lead to China losing business in other countries, following India's lead and supported by the Americans.
 
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Please do not read too much from twitter. It is a complete propaganda media. Many IDs on it are from various agencies who try and peddle their agenda. Everyone is involved from Jaichands and Mir Zaffers to Pakistanis, Americans, Europeans, Japanese and our politicians.

I am sure it would be Congress who is paying for this propaganda.
 
What we know for sure is the change in RoE for small arms. So we are bound to see casualties in the near future. Everything else is subjective. They actually tried to build across the LAC in Galwan. This baited our CO into coming out and the rest is history. So they can attempt this again elsewhere, except that this time we will be carrying weapons, and I'm sure overwatch will also be used.

China will definitely pay economic costs. And this could also lead to China losing business in other countries, following India's lead and supported by the Americans.
War is certain. We only need to see what AIM is given to Indian Armed forces. That will decide the intensity and length of the war. ASAIK, The battle will be fought to the east of Karakoram range. Chinese have no chance in the valleys. Ladakh is more of a sand desert. Unlike a true desert where you have blowing sand, here you have sand which is little bit compacted with embedded boulders. Its like quick sand at places. You can flatten out a peak in no time. The terrain along LOC is fully compacted soil with trees which hold the soil together. Ladakh upper reaches are more like permafrost and just the pressure of human beings can force it to collapse as the ice bellow the surface melts due to the pressure and suddenlly you will find the whole mountain/peak collapsing. This explains why the mountain top where chinese were in large numbers suddenly gave way. Many stated that Biharis probably used IED to blow up the hilltop.
 
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I am sure it would be Congress who is paying for this propaganda.

Modi is safe as long as Rahul is there to aid him.

Have you noticed after all party meet, political party which were making noise about know ing the situation have gone silent.

While we forumers are making noise.

Something we are not aware ..
Or the political parties are too dumb.
 
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Modi is safe as long as Rahul is there to aid him.

Have you noticed after all party meet, political party which were making noise about know ing the situation have gone silent.

While we forumers are making noise.

Something we are not aware ..
Or the political parties are too dumb.
Political parties either set trends or follow it. Since it's impossible to take on Modi on a nationalist agenda, most political parties have backed off else can you imagine Mamta, Maya & Kejriwal backing Modi to the hilt on this issue. The only exceptions are the Commies ( no surprises there) & Congress - I've no clue who's advising that damned organization but it's throughly out of it's depths on all issues. They've lost connect with the people.

The knives will be out for Modi the day he stumbles big time. Today is not that day.
 
Please do not read too much from twitter. It is a complete propaganda media. Many IDs on it are from various agencies who try and peddle their agenda. Everyone is involved from Jaichands and Mir Zaffers to Pakistanis, Americans, Europeans, Japanese and our politicians.
It was analysed, I think around 2018 that a good percentage of likes on tweets of RaGa and the anti-Modi brigade are actually from Pakistani and sometimes BD accounts. Not saying they are bots but most probably an average Pakistani enjoying him heckling BJP/Modi/ Indian Army or criticising Hindutva causes
 
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Chinese army will remember this.