Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278139440418836481

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What he is saying is what I pointed out just yesterday, the IA needs MRSAM and QRSAM. Both are highly mobile batteries and can be placed anywhere. Although he has mentioned SPYDERs, those will be needed to protect the IAF's ground assets. LLQRMs like SPYDER do not have the range to cover everything, hence the need for the army's equivalent. QRSAM are built to be operated from forward areas, like the radar design has been made with particular emphasis on mobility.

However the issue with the S-400 is it can pick up and engage aircraft flying at high altitude, which are typically AWACS and EW aircraft. If force multipliers are forced to operate at lower altitudes, then the surveillance ranges will reduce drastically. Both Brahmos and KH-31 will be critical in dealing with the S-400.

And yes, the inventory of 1300+ Hellfires with the IAF is going to be extremely effective. IA will get its own fleet of 6 Apaches with 270 Hellfires next year. About 1000 among them are capable of fire and forget, and can be used like the way mentioned in the tweet. I bet more can be bought and used from existing American stock whenever we want to. Hopefully the IAF has asked for immediate transfers of more helicopters.

 

[RajibJ]

We should do our best to include other countries in this as well. Especially some of the ASEAN countries. And definitely the Western bloc.

Basically remove Chinese tech companies from advanced economies first. It can be sold as a part of the COVID punishment instead of the India-China issue.

The Great Firewall must block both sides.

Correct. But what does Xi is strategizing for. Major democracies are united to fight out Xi both economically and militarily .So much effort from west and India for replacing China from the supply chain . If Xi is so much concerned about political stability in China then he has to provide job and feed chinese 1.4 Billion people .Is this the endgame of Xi or some in-fighting goin on within CCP. Africa/Pakistan and debt depilomacy will not oil the machine like biz from Europ,America and India.

 

[randomradio]

As long as we don't back down, it is fine.
What I don't understand is what is the talks all about? Is it not fully obvious yet that talks are not going to help India in any way? Ofcourse, yes, if the talks are means to stall the situation so that we can strengthen our side even more, then it makes sense.

Secondly, the narrative on our side is created both by the media as well as the various twitter sources. The media is pitching in and reporting it as a major developing story. I don't think the same can be said about Chinese media as it is state controlled. That's what I meant by the lack of narrative on the Chinese side.

Talks are a waste of time. Both sides know that. So the question is what's actually happening behind the scenes?

We could very well be talking about a two front war.

 

[shaxm]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278324980959326210

 

[screambowl]

War is different from a Business

War affects the entire country

And in our CASE , a Two front war is A Certainty

So that means more sacrifice ,more pain for the entire country and population

Be ready to see Government impose Financial Emergency in the country

Anything is possible

And since a Two Front war will happen
We must portray ourselves as victims
In order to get world help and support

If we start a war , all support and sympathy will be lost

China started the skirmish, without even worrying about world's sympathy. Because they know Sympathy can be bought.

 

[randomradio]

Correct. But what does Xi is strategizing for. Major democracies are united to fight out Xi both economically and militarily .So much effort from west and India for replacing China from the supply chain . If Xi is so much concerned about political stability in China then he has to provide job and feed chinese 1.4 Billion people .Is this the endgame of Xi or some in-fighting goin on within CCP. Africa/Pakistan and debt depilomacy will not oil the machine like biz from Europ,America and India.

Western countries need an alternative to China for manufacturing exports. India has failed to provide that. And without an alternative, they have very limited options to deal with China. Hopefully a whole bunch of countries, including India, rise up to the challenge and provide the West with such an alternative.

It's very difficult since the Chinese make a lot of stuff even with financial losses to themselves only in order to keep their hold on the market and their people employed, so matching that is going to be extremely difficult.

 

[sanjeev]

China started the skirmish, without even worrying about world's sympathy. Because they know Sympathy can be bought.

do we have that sort of influence and money to buy support?

 

[sanjeev]

Western countries need an alternative to China for manufacturing exports. India has failed to provide that. And without an alternative, they have very limited options to deal with China. Hopefully a whole bunch of countries, including India, rise up to the challenge and provide the West with such an alternative.

It's very difficult since the Chinese make a lot of stuff even with financial losses to themselves only in order to keep their hold on the market and their people employed, so matching that is going to be extremely difficult.

may be this whole china saga would force all democracies to come together to establish a new paradigm in business and trade deals? just like how EU came together after ww2? the world should realize to have stable business on large scale with countries is not just based on profit margin but how securely the business interests can be maintained.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

 

[noksss]

With NDTV reporting it , we can safely assume that india is not backing off as predicted by many

India-China Border Talks Inconclusive Again, More Meets Needed: Sources

The third round of meeting to resolve the border issue between India and China remained inconclusive, sources indicated, and there will be some more rounds to go. The third senior military-level meeting took place on June 30 at Chusul on the Indian side or the Line of Actual Control -- the de...

www.ndtv.com

 

[randomradio]

may be this whole china saga would force all democracies to come together to establish a new paradigm in business and trade deals? just like how EU came together after ww2?

I hope so.

the world should realize to have stable business on large scale with countries is not just based on profit margin but how securely the business interests can be maintained.

True dat. And it's not just business, it's our data as well.

 

[Indrajit]

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As a reply there was saying, this is rubbish stuff being put out to suggest that we have somehow done them great damage. All so that we can forget about real territorial gains they have made. Illusory, we must not fall for this. Their losses are their business, we need to do what we need to do.

 

[Jaymax]

As a reply there was saying, this is rubbish stuff being put out to suggest that we have somehow done them great damage. All so that we can forget about real territorial gains they have made. Illusory, we must not fall for this. Their losses are their business, we need to do what we need to do.

They are giving the govt a way out. They keep the land, the govt can claim an "economic strike" and placate its voters. Pimps like Goswami are going ga ga

 

[vstol Jockey]

With NDTV reporting it , we can safely assume that india is not backing off as predicted by many

India-China Border Talks Inconclusive Again, More Meets Needed: Sources

The third round of meeting to resolve the border issue between India and China remained inconclusive, sources indicated, and there will be some more rounds to go. The third senior military-level meeting took place on June 30 at Chusul on the Indian side or the Line of Actual Control -- the de...

www.ndtv.com

IMHO, by delaying the battle, we are harming ourselves. If we need to fight China, We should do it now. I can give you many examples wherein waiting for enemy to show its true colours resulted in Defeat. Third Battle of Panipat is one such example.

 

[_Anonymous_]

IMHO, by delaying the battle, we are harming ourselves. If we need to fight China, We should do it now. I can give you many examples wherein waiting for enemy to show its true colours resulted in Defeat. Third Battle of Panipat is one such example.

I don't think we are going to fire the first bullet on either front. If Paxtan attempts any misadventure of which I've no doubt, they'd face the full brunt of the fury & frustrations of the IA & the GoI with both of them content to not contest the gains the Chinese have currently made on the eastern front .

In a 2 front war, Op GaganShakti & all such similar war games notwithstanding, the IA will be tasked with a holding responsibility on the eastern front . That also means they will risk greater attrition levels. Whether this plan in itself is enough to hold on to our possessions on the eastern front is something I'm not quite sure of.

 

[Aurora]

IMHO, by delaying the battle, we are harming ourselves. If we need to fight China, We should do it now. I can give you many examples wherein waiting for enemy to show its true colours resulted in Defeat. Third Battle of Panipat is one such example.

Sir, fighting a war with China will always be costly. So why should we bear such a huge cost just for a chunk of land? Instead we should have much bigger goals like disintegration of both of our adversaries which will establish us as a sole power and care taker in this region. For that we need preparation, allies ( as we can't do it alone ) and proper planning with them, hence the delay. I suspect that G11 meeting is exactly for same reason. To get all the major powers ( especially Russia ) onboard and then launch an united attack against China.

 

[shaxm]

IMHO, by delaying the battle, we are harming ourselves. If we need to fight China, We should do it now. I can give you many examples wherein waiting for enemy to show its true colours resulted in Defeat. Third Battle of Panipat is one such example.

We cannot fight China. The leadership simply does not have enough balls. Ordering latest weapons is one thing, balls cannot be ordered from anywhere. The leadership needs to grow it themselves.

 

[screambowl]

do we have that sort of influence and money to buy support?

A big NO! You only have population either looking for freekhori or H1B visa like me

 

[Noodler]

I think China started arm twisting too early and will only fall over itself. 10 more years and it would have been an invincible superpower, but as they wisely say "विनाश काले विपरीत बुद्धि"

 

[vstol Jockey]

To all of you above who have posted. I am in complete disagreement. Let us start by starting the war with Pakistan. In my village from Dilli Dehat, which is same as Haryana, we believe in taking out himayaties before taking out the actual enemy. let me tell you one more thing, Jaat Buddhi in battle is ultimate buddhi.