Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

That's your rebuttal for advocating loss of territories and perpetuating outright lies in name of preserving face?

No wonder with people drawn from population like yours we got Neheru, Gandhi and other leaders.

It's not a babu, politician problem. It's this holier than thou because I can think rolling over and selling my self respect is a good choice that's the problem.

Please, I don't want to engage with you any further. You have a... rather atrophied mind. Good lord, I pray I never become as adult as you to advocate selling self dignity and present it as a win.


Or it's a calibrated information release to show they're doing something. Like the app ban. It's just news articles released to shunt public anger.

Conflict with China will be a long term game

We have just started this journey

Kinetic Action is one aspect of it

You have just One Tool in your Tool Box

That is a Hammer

We have to use All available tools
as and when required
 
Yeah, I know about that. We replaced that with Intel motherboards that were built through a JV. The motherboard is more indigenous than foreign and are part of the first 3 computers. All 3 were assembled in India, so you can be sure they were checked for bugs.
Well, if Apple and Amazon missed mod-chips sneaking into their boards, I am not exactly very confident about Indian experts. Anyways, "Digital LAC" (LOL!) is a topic in itself, so.... Yeah!
In the next phase, we will be using Indian processors. 11 computers have been approved.
Lemme qualify it. Indian designs. Not processors per say. Physical processors and motherboard will be manufactured elsewhere... who knows where.

Also, who knows if we will be using even India Designs.
 
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You really think we are dumb enough to import Chinese tech for govt projects? It's the private industry that has to worry about Chini maal, I already told you that.
Well .... Tech industry is build as abstractions. One on top of another. No one build anything in toto.
So.... India "partners" with Atos.
Atos subcontracts it to Supermicro.
Supermicro has most of Taiwanese employees.
Supermicro manufactures it via a Chinese factory.

There.
 
It seems that there won't be any action from their side and India's side. The talks will continue to happen they will stay where they are and India will stay where it is. They will breach the so called line again and again India will also make full use of the opportunity while patrolling.
 
Well, if Apple and Amazon missed mod-chips sneaking into their boards, I am not exactly very confident about Indian experts.

They possibly do not assemble, but buy it outright, hence why they missed it.

Anyways, "Digital LAC" (LOL!) is a topic in itself, so.... Yeah!

But it's begun.

Lemme qualify it. Indian designs. Not processors per say. Physical processors and motherboard will be manufactured elsewhere... who knows where.

Also, who knows if we will be using even India Designs.

Indian designs, manufactured in India. This is all part of MII.

The processors are manufactured in an ISRO facility in Chandigarh. The same place where the govt manufactures its own processors for military and strategic use.
 
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Well .... Tech industry is build as abstractions. One on top of another. No one build anything in toto.
So.... India "partners" with Atos.
Atos subcontracts it to Supermicro.
Supermicro has most of Taiwanese employees.
Supermicro manufactures it via a Chinese factory.

There.

Companies are going to have to be careful where their stuff is sourced from. I'm sure the govt will interfere where needed.

The govt and its affiliates are free from such distractions.
 
You ought to read the appended article from war on the rocks.

It's practically a carbon copy of what I have posted.

But I don't agree with their assumption that India cannot take new territories or fight a limited war. They have assumed that because they do not seem to have much knowledge about the type of modern weapons we have acquired. They have simply assumed India is the weaker force.

It's the economic leverage they have over us the reason why we should bide our time and allow the industry to catch up in essentials first. The govt can provide necessary sops for that. Apart from, of course, creating conditions of localised superiority where necessary by inducting more modern and specialized weapons. I'd love to see what they will be able to do without air cover, and we have the means to deny them access to the air as long as the army and air force get the time necessary to get what they need.
 
It's practically a carbon copy of what I have posted.

But I don't agree with their assumption that India cannot take new territories or fight a limited war. They have assumed that because they do not seem to have much knowledge about the type of modern weapons we have acquired. They have simply assumed India is the weaker force.

It's the economic leverage they have over us the reason why we should bide our time and allow the industry to catch up in essentials first. The govt can provide necessary sops for that. Apart from, of course, creating conditions of localised superiority where necessary by inducting more modern and specialized weapons. I'd love to see what they will be able to do without air cover, and we have the means to deny them access to the air as long as the army and air force get the time necessary to get what they need.
Why don't you write for war on the rocks?

DDR is serialising a thriller since the past few months based on our relationship with Pakistan against a backdrop of terrorism, n blackmail, the works. Any chance you're the culprit?
 
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Why don't you write for war on the rocks?

On the rocks, not a 'high' enough pedestal for me to stand on.

DDR is serialising a thriller since the past few months based on our relationship with Pakistan against a backdrop of terrorism, n blackmail, the works. Any chance you're the culprit?

Are you saying I'm Saurav Jha? Maybe I am, maybe I'm not.
 
People want us to capture the entire area till Finger 8 , the Question is how do we hold the territory after that

I think India should retake all of Aksai Chin. If China retaliates, then capture the Chumbi Valley. Still if China does not stop, liberate Tibet. Yeh Aar Paar ki ladai hai. As far as the haan's setteled in Tibet, the Tibetians will take care of them.
 
When we can patiently wait for 70 years for POK , why not for Galwan or Pangong Tso

If you were to see the terrain in detail
The important places worth fighting for are our border villages , plains and the Roads

The Rest is all mountains and valleys

A typical gandhi nehru type thought. I it simply fails to go away.
 
People want us to capture the entire area till Finger 8 , the Question is how do we hold the territory after that

People want that we take back aksai hind, free Tibet and have unrestricted access to mansarovar. As far as how to hold on to things like f8, China already showing us how to do it without firing a single bullet.
 
Almost everything I've pointed out and called as a victory.

The only place I disagree with is we don't need to sit quiet, we can take over areas of our own.

@Sanglamorre This is how adults do things.
Oh yeah, look at an adult slobbering at an American an ocean away throwing them a bone.

It's a loss. You can be a BJP-phile and dress it up in whatever clothes you like, it's a loss you handed to your descendants to carry, like Neheru did. Like Singh did.

loOk aMeRiCAn VAlIDaTeD Me WiTH nO SkIN iN GaMe. suCh AduLT MucH woW.
 
Yet to see the result on the ground. Only the French are actively working to undermine China. Britain is just talking about them. And the Germans are practically asleep. Lots of gas right now.

It is starting. UK which was opposing full ban on Huawe untill this Jan is now contemplating full ban. So does Germany. Other strict measures would follow soon.
Everyone was waiting for someone to start the action which we did by banning Chinese apps, now even US is contemplating to do the same. Accept the reality sir, no one is now supporting China.


That doesn't make sense. Nobody is ready to do a united attack on China yet. And definitely not India. I have touched upon that subject many times.
NATO is yet to increase their defence spending to 2% of GDP.
Well US has send 3 CBGs. Their 7th fleet is in SCS and fifth fleet in IOR to encircle PLAN. Japan has placed their BMs against China . Navies of Japan and SK are active in SCS. After the logistical agreement navies of India and Australia too are encircling China in whole Indo Pacific theatre. The smaller countries like Taiwan, Philippines are in high alert. French has offered us military support. NATO would be involved anyways since US is involved.
The situation at LAC, COVID, Hong Kong and Xinjiang are long term.
It is totally on us to make it long term issue or solve it now.
Which is why I proposed we should do a tit-for-tat taking over of territories ourselves if the talks fail.
I have said earlier it would result into a full blown war. And if we have to do that then better to do it with our allies to settle this matter once and for all.
The Chinese are not here to start a shooting war, they are only here to force us to peacefully accept their presence. Now there's talk of de-escalation again, let's see where that goes.
Isn't it why we should turn things hot?? I mean why should we do what Chinese want.
Military actions and war are last resorts. First let's see what options the govt exercises as the situation unfolds, it's only been 17 days since the violence. All the chest-beating is for when the last resort is the only option left.
I agree that war is last resort. But in this case Chinese have attacked our national pride and already have escalated things by killing our soldiers. Now the war is only resort.
Not at all. The Chinese won't actively react to any attacks done on Pakistan. They are not allies. The only way a two-front war is possible is if China and India start fighting, and the Chinese will force the Pakistanis to participate. It won't work the other way round.
Any attack on Pak will result into a full scale war which will threaten CPEC and thus forcing China to enter.