Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

I've pointed it out before. As far as Western Europe is concerned, they are heavily depdendent on Chinese imports. The same with the US.
They won't in near future.
While the US will be able to make strategic decisions in favour of national security, Europe won't. The Europeans stay in power only if their economy is in control and Russia is in check. So an Indo-Pak war will give European leaders the excuse needed to shift the focus away from China instead.
Your statement is in direct contrast to some recent steps taken by European lawmakers.
What we need to do is lay low and keep the world focused on the COVID situation. The more the world speaks about COVID, the more pressure China is under. Right now is one of those rare moments when China is weak both internally and externally. So why help them? You are helping them a lot if you shift global focus away from COVID. Never do what your enemy wants you to do. It is also why Modi publicly only talks about the virus.
Nope, keeping the focus on a single issue will make it boring after some times. Instead we should try to show China in bad light on multiple issues like its belligerent attitude, bad trade practices and attempts of debt trap. Only then we could project China as a true evil what it really is.
Which is why we need to do things that affect the LAC only, which is too small for the world to focus on beyond a few days. And we can make our own gains by repeating what China's doing elsewhere along the LAC, and it should be done very, very quietly. Naturally, we should use this chance to rid ourselves of Chinese technology investments in India.
That is very optimistic. Chinese have no interest in keeping it to LAC only if things escalate that way. Instead we should cash the anger of whole world against China by forming a military alliance and launching an united attack against it.
COVID, COVID, COVID, China, China, China, the next 2 years must only be that in the front page of global newspapers. Right now the global focus should be on who gets vaccines first and how to punish China for their lies on COVID.
Just one line of Agyey for it '"Kavi basan adhik ghisne se mulamma choot jata hai". That is what we would end up doing if we do what you are asking.
In the meantime, since our attitude with Pakistan has changed a lot, we can punish them with air strikes whenever we want to without risking war. Pakistan is no longer capable of fighting a war, so why help China by attacking Pakistan? Let them both attack us if they want to.
You seem to be confused here. Any strike on Pakistan from now on would result into a two front war.
 
That was as per astrology but the enemy does not follow astrology and battles are not fought as per astrology.

But before that stage needs to be set. You might gain territory but holding it will be troublesome and they may retreat? India wants complete Aksai Hind along with Mansarovar to finish the dispute for ever. What happens in SCS should not be India's concern then thereafter. And it's only possible when things are ready at both international level and military level.

Pakistan has got the hit when EU banned their airline, and it's just the begning. If investigation is done over 40% Pakistanis settled abroad or working will have fake degrees on whose basis they got job.

They won't in near future.

True Europe has already started doing PR with Made in France or Made in Denmark IT -electronic products like Tab laptops, monitors. They are costly but very well finished and quality stuff. And of course not plastic.
 
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Fighting either Pakistan or China now is of no benefit to us even if our economy was strong and on track.

The Pakistanis are busy imploding, so we only need to apply pressure whenever needed and at the right place, like the LoC. The Chinese are also doing a very good job shooting themselves in the foot while dragging their unwilling poodle along in the mud with them.

By banning Chinese apps, the Chinese most likely never imagined we will destroy their most important weapons. And the domino effect of this is entirely unimaginable. Imagine what will happen once the US joins in, and all the countries that follow.

In India, although even Chinese phones are used to steal data, it's mostly the middle class and poor who use such phones, whereas the rich get flagships of non-Chinese companies. But the rich end up using Chinese apps and get their data mined in the process. This will put an end to that.

As far as I'm concerned, we have already won this battle. The ground situation will change once winters sets in. What I'm hoping for is this has to become a permanent part of our diplomacy, and should not be linked to the LAC anymore. We have incredibly created a whole new LAC in the digital domain with just this one move, completely independent from the Himalayan LAC and we have to fight to control this new digital LAC.

We will not go for a war unless they attack us without any provocation.

And it is sure both China and Pakistan wont fire the first shot .
To be precise we hit them the right place .
If I am not wrong this not a complete ban but a temporary one IT act 69 .
In India this temporary means will take years , the Tik tok and others were plan to put the IPO and evalution was at least 75 billion$ .
This one single action caused all those went in to drain and 6 billion lossin one day .
We also knows about our judiciary .
Will drag years a case if want .
GoI gave an opportunity to our enterprenurs .
Let them use that one .After that let see any Chinese app can survive India or not

More they maintain heat in the border themore the detaching effect in economy will happen.
 
De-escalation and de-induction on the terms of enemy is victory? What did I miss?

They have taken some temporary advantages on the ground, but lost far too much in the process.

The digital domain was their future. In the process of grabbing land that they will have to vacate in a few months due to winter, they lost the ability to make quite a sum of money in India and steal quite a bit of our data. The economic punishment they will face with India alone will be quite severe. This most likely wasn't part of their assessment.
 
They have taken some temporary advantages on the ground, but lost far too much in the process.

The digital domain was their future. In the process of grabbing land that they will have to vacate in a few months due to winter, they lost the ability to make quite a sum of money in India and steal quite a bit of our data. The economic punishment they will face with India alone will be quite severe. This most likely wasn't part of their assessment.
The part about whether they'd be vacating it in winter is not clear. I doubt they'd have gone through all that trouble only to vacate it in the winter. I think we're looking at permanent posts there by the Chinese if we don't do anything about it.
 
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They have taken some temporary advantages on the ground, but lost far too much in the process.

The digital domain was their future. In the process of grabbing land that they will have to vacate in a few months due to winter, they lost the ability to make quite a sum of money in India and steal quite a bit of our data. The economic punishment they will face with India alone will be quite severe. This most likely wasn't part of their assessment.

Economic impact is in the range of 2-3 Billion USD give or take. The loss of data mining is the real blow. But none of these will hurt China.

I doubt if the Chinese will leave in Winter. They will put in permanent structures and not leave anything to chance. They are here to take the full lake.
 
The part about whether they'd be vacating it in winter is not clear. I doubt they'd have gone through all that trouble only to vacate it in the winter. I think we're looking at permanent posts there by the Chinese if we don't do anything about it.

From what I know, some places will be difficult to occupy and some will not. For example, Galwan will be accessible because of the frozen water. But in Pangong, the frozen water will allow Indian soldiers to simply bypass the Chinese defences. I don't know to what extent snow will block the efforts though.
Economic impact is in the range of 2-3 Billion USD give or take. The loss of data mining is the real blow. But none of these will hurt China.

The economic impact could only be felt over the long term, as long as the ban stays. Whatever revenue alternatives make will be the revenue Chinese apps lost after all.

I doubt if the Chinese will leave in Winter. They will put in permanent structures and not leave anything to chance. They are here to take the full lake.

There are 4 locations actually, that we know of publicly.
 
From what I know, some places will be difficult to occupy and some will not. For example, Galwan will be accessible because of the frozen water. But in Pangong, the frozen water will allow Indian soldiers to simply bypass the Chinese defences. I don't know to what extent snow will block the efforts though.

What stops them from shelling the frozen lake and sending everyone down in ice cold water?
 
They have taken some temporary advantages on the ground, but lost far too much in the process.

The digital domain was their future. In the process of grabbing land that they will have to vacate in a few months due to winter, they lost the ability to make quite a sum of money in India and steal quite a bit of our data. The economic punishment they will face with India alone will be quite severe. This most likely wasn't part of their assessment.
"Temporary" like rest of Aksai?

They didn't lose anything. Soon enough Modi himself will do his jhula diplomacy once again and invite Chinese firms.

This app ban was so people didn't break TVs when he came with his mitroooo the next day.

All is game of ratings. He is just doing things when he sees approval rating dipping a little. He'll stop as soon as he gets his target.
 
They won't in near future.

The sooner that future comes, the better.

Your statement is in direct contrast to some recent steps taken by European lawmakers.

Yet to see the result on the ground. Only the French are actively working to undermine China. Britain is just talking about them. And the Germans are practically asleep. Lots of gas right now.

Nope, keeping the focus on a single issue will make it boring after some times. Instead we should try to show China in bad light on multiple issues like its belligerent attitude, bad trade practices and attempts of debt trap. Only then we could project China as a true evil what it really is.

Yeah, I meant the whole host of issues, like even the concentration camps in Xinjiang. Basically China on the front page.

That is very optimistic. Chinese have no interest in keeping it to LAC only if things escalate that way. Instead we should cash the anger of whole world against China by forming a military alliance and launching an united attack against it.

That doesn't make sense. Nobody is ready to do a united attack on China yet. And definitely not India. I have touched upon that subject many times.

NATO is yet to increase their defence spending to 2% of GDP.

Just one line of Agyey for it '"Kavi basan adhik ghisne se mulamma choot jata hai". That is what we would end up doing if we do what you are asking.

The situation at LAC, COVID, Hong Kong and Xinjiang are long term.

Which is why I proposed we should do a tit-for-tat taking over of territories ourselves if the talks fail. The Chinese are not here to start a shooting war, they are only here to force us to peacefully accept their presence. Now there's talk of de-escalation again, let's see where that goes.

Military actions and war are last resorts. First let's see what options the govt exercises as the situation unfolds, it's only been 17 days since the violence. All the chest-beating is for when the last resort is the only option left.

You seem to be confused here. Any strike on Pakistan from now on would result into a two front war.

Not at all. The Chinese won't actively react to any attacks done on Pakistan. They are not allies. The only way a two-front war is possible is if China and India start fighting, and the Chinese will force the Pakistanis to participate. It won't work the other way round.
 
"Temporary" like rest of Aksai?

They didn't lose anything. Soon enough Modi himself will do his jhula diplomacy once again and invite Chinese firms.

This app ban was so people didn't break TVs when he came with his mitroooo the next day.

All is game of ratings. He is just doing things when he sees approval rating dipping a little. He'll stop as soon as he gets his target.

When we can patiently wait for 70 years for POK , why not for Galwan or Pangong Tso

If you were to see the terrain in detail
The important places worth fighting for are our border villages , plains and the Roads

The Rest is all mountains and valleys
 
When we can patiently wait for 70 years for POK , why not for Galwan or Pangong Tso

If you were to see the terrain in detail
The important places worth fighting are our border villages , plains and the Roads

The Rest is all mountains and valleys
Yeah, about PoK, we aren't getting that back. This is the state of a govt with this amount of majority and public support. This is the strongest India has been militarily since independence.

And this govt takes refuge in lies and obfuscations to mislead public into believing they did a spectacular economic strike on China and nothing happened in the borders, they didn't come, they didn't squat.

That is the aukat of the most right wing, nationalist govt we have seen in decades.

You're dreaming of PoK, I'm dreaming of visiting Sikkim one last time


And oh, I see. It's the old Blade of grass argument again. There are inhospitable parts of Arunachal. Maybe we should gift that to Chinese as well? Or what function does Thar hold? Could we cede that to Pakistanis?

I mean... What in the name of God is that argument. It is because we need to safeguard those areas that we need buffer in form of mountains and valleys. The reason why Chinese trying to create buffer for their roads. Backing up till your back touches the village walls invites rockets on the villagers.