Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

We must keep the 3 divisions in ladakh.. de- escalating or withdrawing them now, would open us to a 1962 like winter attack, when heavy snowfall would block crucial roads making it impossible for us to quickly rush troops in case of a chinese attack..
Until Sasoma–Sasser La Road, the alternative to DSDBO road to sub sector north.. is complete.. we need to maintain our current posture in ladakh..
 
Saaho said:
India has some elements of force projection but a totally broken and severely unequipped military to even defend against our neighbors.

I mean, its like having on arm muscular but rest of the body paralyzed.
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Your disdain for Indian war-making potential is stuff of SFO legends. No one knows really.

Results should speak for themselves & we have lost this round (while lizard-Shee won without PLA firing a round), thanks to Cheeni BioWarfare lizards have unleashed across the globe. So, can't say that you are misconstruing it completely.

Many patriotic Indians are disappointed, embarrassed & concerned. However, this isn't end of the road of India. A battle is not a war. And here, there hasn't been any battle either. We have been under-equipped for over 3 decades, for reasons evident to all - blame Maino family connections with Italian arm-dealers. The gun was good though, & proved its mettle.

We need to make up for all that past neglect & well-entrenched complacency by stocking up & finally getting serious about modernization, before we embark upon any foolhardy, ill-timed, precocious mission - in order to minimize human costs & maximize our gains. In IA parlance, at a time & place of our choosing.

Despite the institutional weaknesses & our evident incapacity to strike back now apparent to all & the alleged cover-up (something we do the least among comity of nations), I still trust & support our current leadership - both their intention as well as capability to herald, usher in epochal, transformational changes.

Though, their capacity (or lack of it, if you will) to tame the babu's is a matter of contention & something to watch out for.

If anyone, only the current leadership can stem the rot. Just wish that this Indian Leadership remains hale & hearty, moreso in these testing hours. Parrikar Sir was such an unfortunate, irreparable loss.
 
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Your disdain for Indian war-making potential is stuff of SFO legends. No one knows really.

Results should speak for themselves & we have lost this round (while lizard-Shee won without PLA firing a round), thanks to Cheeni BioWarfare lizards have unleashed across the globe. So, can't say that you are misconstruing it completely.

Many patriotic Indians are disappointed, embarrassed & concerned. However, this isn't end of the road of India. A battle is not a war. And here, there hasn't been any battle either. We have been under-equipped for over 3 decades, for reasons evident to all - blame Maino family connections with Italian arm-dealers. The gun was good though, & proved its mettle.

We need to make up for all that past neglect & well-entrenched complacency by stocking up & finally getting serious about modernization, before we embark upon any foolhardy, ill-timed, precocious mission - in order to minimize human costs & maximize our gains. In IA parlance, at a time & place of our choosing.

Despite the institutional weaknesses & our evident incapacity to strike back now apparent to all & the alleged cover-up (something we do the least among comity of nations), I still trust & support our current leadership - both their intention as well as capability to herald, usher in epochal, transformational changes.

Though, their capacity (or lack of it, if you will) to tame the babu's is a matter of contention & something to watch out for.

If anyone, only the current leadership can stem the rot. Just wish that this Indian Leadership remains hale & hearty, moreso in these testing hours. Parrikar Sir was such an unfortunate, irreparable loss.
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Wars are fought for WINNING
Not for any Ego needs of people

The Most important thing is Intent

We have the intent to defeat them
And push them back

The Capabilities part will Take TIME AND MONEY

How many people can confidently say that in the same situation , UPA would
Have Mobilised the Armed Forces
And gone for an Emergency Purchases
Worth several Billion dollars

We would have seen statements like

" India and China have a Beautiful Relationship "

" We need to.work together as partners " or some other BS like working for
"Shared Prosperity , Bright Future "

Anyway here the Govt has firmly and Resolutely held India's interests at the front and told.the Chinese clearly to Go Back

We can keep using economic measures against China till our Military strength gets sufficiently strengthened
 
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Sulla84 said:
We must keep the 3 divisions in ladakh.. de- escalating or withdrawing them now, would open us to a 1962 like winter attack, when heavy snowfall would block crucial roads making it impossible for us to quickly rush troops in case of a chinese attack..
Until Sasoma–Sasser La Road, the alternative to DSDBO road to sub sector north.. is complete.. we need to maintain our current posture in ladakh..
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We need two dedicated corps for Kargil sector and Aksai Hind Sector.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Jai Shree Raam.
Today we have achieved what we could not in last 492 years. The furture will unfold as per the kathan of Shree Tulsidasji,
Vinay na manat jaldhi jadh, Gayeh teen din beet,
Boley Raam Sakop tab, bhey bin hoyeh na preet.
Time is fast running out for China and PLA. They will get what they asked for and very very soon. IA will not sit out for winter. They will repeat what PLA did in 1962. We will attack them before the winters set in.
All I can say is that formations are being assigned specific tasks.
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Please tell us more sir. I am too curious.
 
vstol Jockey said:
We need two dedicated corps for Kargil sector and Aksai Hind Sector.
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One question to u sir. Modi had once in an election rally told that India has the mother of all nuclear bombs. In my opinion he was not bluffing. He gives a hint like he gives hint to all his future actions. I have asked this questions to many but nobody has given the satisfactory answer to me. I put the same question to you. bo
Which India's mother of all nuclear bomb what he was referring to?
 
HariPrasad said:
One question to u sir. Modi had once in an election rally told that India has the mother of all nuclear bombs. In my opinion he was not bluffing. He gives a hint like he gives hint to all his future actions. I have asked this questions to many but nobody has given the satisfactory answer to me. I put the same question to you. bo
Which India's mother of all nuclear bomb what he was referring to?
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Boosted thermonuclear devices.
HariPrasad said:
Please tell us more sir. I am too curious.
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Modi is taking time to build up the force levels against China. Unlike battle in plains where you can quickly move resources, Aksai Hind requires troops to get acclimatised before being thrown into battle. Plus the logistics have to build up and catch up with the amount of forces mobilised. We have to prepare for a two front war and for that we will need to position not just the assault forces but also reserves before the start of battle. In the plains of Punjab and Rajasthan we can quickly move forces across theatres but it is not possible as easily in high mountains of Aksai Hind and Kargil front. Moreover, I have long suspected that Modi follows astrology. The bad period of Mahadasha for India and Modi will end in mid august and the movement of main planets like Sun, Mars and Jupiter still being retrograde. I will put the date for start of battle around end August. If we decide to fight the Chinese and Pakistanis together.
 
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Ashwin said:

Good watch on Tawang And Arunachal Pradesh @vstol Jockey @Falcon
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Excellent discussion.
vstol Jockey said:
Boosted thermonuclear devices.

Modi is taking time to build up the force levels against China. Unlike battle in plains where you can quickly move resources, Aksai Hind requires troops to get acclimatised before being thrown into battle. Plus the logistics have to build up and catch up with the amount of forces mobilised. We have to prepare for a two front war and for that we will need to position not just the assault forces but also reserves before the start of battle. In the plains of Punjab and Rajasthan we can quickly move forces across theatres but it is not possible as easily in high mountains of Aksai Hind and Kargil front. Moreover, I have long suspected that Modi follows astrology. The bad period of Mahadasha for India and Modi will end in mid august and the movement of main planets like Sun, Mars and Jupiter still being retrograde. I will put the date for start of battle around end August. If we decide to fight the Chinese and Pakistanis together.
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Excellent analysis sir ji.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Boosted thermonuclear devices.

Modi is taking time to build up the force levels against China. Unlike battle in plains where you can quickly move resources, Aksai Hind requires troops to get acclimatised before being thrown into battle. Plus the logistics have to build up and catch up with the amount of forces mobilised. We have to prepare for a two front war and for that we will need to position not just the assault forces but also reserves before the start of battle. In the plains of Punjab and Rajasthan we can quickly move forces across theatres but it is not possible as easily in high mountains of Aksai Hind and Kargil front. Moreover, I have long suspected that Modi follows astrology. The bad period of Mahadasha for India and Modi will end in mid august and the movement of main planets like Sun, Mars and Jupiter still being retrograde. I will put the date for start of battle around end August. If we decide to fight the Chinese and Pakistanis together.
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If we have to strike at the Chinese , then we will perhaps Wait for Pakistan to make its move

Attacking Both will hurt our International Narrative

Right.now we have told all countries that China has intruded across LAC

Against Pakistan we have no.grounds for aggression

But when Pakistan will be forced by China to open another front , at that point we can say that BOTH have colluded to hurt India

That is when International support will come in
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
If we have to strike at the Chinese , then we will perhaps Wait for Pakistan to make its move

Attacking Both will hurt our International Narrative

Right.now we have told all countries that China has intruded across LAC

Against Pakistan we have no.grounds for aggression

But when Pakistan will be forced by China to open another front , at that point we can say that BOTH have colluded to hurt India

That is when International support will come in
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We will strike China first and force Pakistan to attack us.
 
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Whats with a ex army chief coming on tv today to say that India cannot beat china and giving reasons to stay pacifist ? (Gen Malik).
Every man and his dog in India wants his 2 minutes of tv time.
At a time of possible serious conflict, is this the correct message to give to the men at the border ?
The government needs to put a ban on senior retired officers from commenting or giving interviews.
War will cone whether we like it or not. Need of the hour is to build up strength in both equipment and manpower. Morale and confidence are critical in such a situation .
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
If we have to strike at the Chinese , then we will perhaps Wait for Pakistan to make its move

Attacking Both will hurt our International Narrative

Right.now we have told all countries that China has intruded across LAC

Against Pakistan we have no.grounds for aggression

But when Pakistan will be forced by China to open another front , at that point we can say that BOTH have colluded to hurt India

That is when International support will come in
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Keep on waiting for international support but the fighting has to be done by us Indians.
No one will put their men or relations on the line to back India. Usa will help but with equipment and intelligence only.
Did India wait for international support while carrying out the 1971 operation? We had the whole western world against us due to the cold war.
Need to keep it simple.
Get your fixed and mobile defence in shape .
Built up stocks of arms and ammo.
Start training the paramilitary for combat.
Test a few tactical nukes in pokhran.
 
HariPrasad said:
One question to u sir. Modi had once in an election rally told that India has the mother of all nuclear bombs. In my opinion he was not bluffing. He gives a hint like he gives hint to all his future actions. I have asked this questions to many but nobody has given the satisfactory answer to me. I put the same question to you. bo
Which India's mother of all nuclear bomb what he was referring to?
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No one possibly has an answer. That said, take Modi's word with a grain of salt. He has said things like "no one intruded in Indian soil" which are obviously incorrect. The matter of nuclear weapons is sensitive and technical so I don't expect Modi to have a very accurate knowledge in the matter. He may not be bluffing but it may not be entirely accurate too -- simply because he is not an expert in this area.
 
HariPrasad said:
That we tested in pokhran. Mother of all n bombs mean a 1 +MW device or more?
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We tested a very low power device with boosted power and that gave us the confidence to boost all our devices to any amount that we need. India is the largest producer of the metal needed to boost the yield of nuke devices and we even export it to USA.

maint1234 said:
Whats with a ex army chief coming on tv today to say that India cannot beat china and giving reasons to stay pacifist ? (Gen Malik).
Every man and his dog in India wants his 2 minutes of tv time.
At a time of possible serious conflict, is this the correct message to give to the men at the border ?
The government needs to put a ban on senior retired officers from commenting or giving interviews.
War will cone whether we like it or not. Need of the hour is to build up strength in both equipment and manpower. Morale and confidence are critical in such a situation .
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I am a spent cartoos as I stated longback. trust only those who are in saddle and know the situation on ground. I want to ask just one question? Why is IA mobilising for war if we had accepted the ground gained by China between F4 & F8? as fait accompli? Why have the visits of Corps commanders who have strike corps as part of their dispensation increased all across the frontier? I can tell you more but I decide to keep silent. Just for the information of all the members, all IAF pilots sitting on desk jobs have been given recurrency training to join active squadron strength. We do it only when war is imminent. No bullet has been fired across chinese front in last 45 years. Whom are we doing this preparation for and for what?
 
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